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Old 03/11/10, 6:25 PM   #736
Murna
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Kargath (EU)
Fugee - The BiS list on the front is made without profession buffs as I don't assume every cat to be Blacksmith/JC.

There are some target everyone wants to achieve:

ArP Hardcap
Hit/Expertise Cap
Crit Softcap

You can't reach all of them without JC. Obviously it's much easier, if you have 42 extra ArP through JC.

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Old 03/11/10, 8:54 PM   #737
Fugee
Glass Joe
 
Human Druid
 
Korgath
Originally Posted by ramenchef View Post
Go back through the last couple pages of this thread. You will find that you'll get more dps switching out the ashen band for frostbrood as rawr incorrectly models the ashen band proc. 2 rigid dragon's eyes and 1 fractured dragon's eye will also net a dps increase after you do the recommended ring change.
It does this even on the new rawr? On mine its showing 10 second proc on a 1 minute cd on the ring.

Originally Posted by Murna View Post
Fugee - The BiS list on the front is made without profession buffs as I don't assume every cat to be Blacksmith/JC.

There are some target everyone wants to achieve:

ArP Hardcap
Hit/Expertise Cap
Crit Softcap

You can't reach all of them without JC. Obviously it's much easier, if you have 42 extra ArP through JC.
I understand arp is top priority for every cat but even without being a jc the list on the front page has 1504 arp after the food, unless my math is wrong somewhere. There's a few wasted ilvls right there.

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Old 03/11/10, 9:02 PM   #738
ramenchef
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Dragonmaw
The proc rate is wrong. It is supposed to be 1ppm, but Rawr lists it at 10%.

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Old 03/11/10, 10:24 PM   #739
Nich
Von Kaiser
 
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Night Elf Druid
 
Dreadmaul
I'm not sure if the arp gems/food/gear was rebalanced on the front page after Oathbinder was added.

With Oathbinder, I managed to find a BiS-ish list of gear that swapped out the ToGC cape for the Gunship cape, and only 11 (instead of the listed 13) fractured cardinal rubies. People with either or both of JC and BS will be able to make further refinements (probably more haste and agility to push up to the soft crit cap). This was also done with Bone Colossus instead of Ashen Band (with the edited proc rate), tho' it's not a huge DPS difference.

1407 arp, 234 hit, 136 expertise, 75.5% (in rawr 2.3.11) crit

I'd like to offer moral support, but I have questionable morals

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Old 03/12/10, 1:28 PM   #740
Talanik
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Zuluhed
Originally Posted by Fugee View Post

I understand arp is top priority for every cat but even without being a jc the list on the front page has 1504 arp after the food, unless my math is wrong somewhere. There's a few wasted ilvls right there.
I can confirm this. 1504 is the total ArP from the BiS listed on the front page. Not only is your ArP calculation off, your hit is off as well. The gearset listed on the front page has 177 hit rating, not 161 like you stated.. Using Rawr, the DPS from the BiS list on the front page comes to 14527.64. That's with all possible gem bonuses reached.

My idea for a simple fix to that, without changing the gear itself, was to simply replace 4 of the ArP gems with more hit rating, in order to hit the cap. As you are already at the crit cap with that gearset, Pure hit and Str/hit gems become the next logical choice. I added in 2 [Rigid King's Amber] and 3 [Etched Ametrine] and came out to a total of 14787.17 with the following stats

247/263 Hit rating
126/132 Expertise
1404/1400 ArP
76.12% Crit

This is before professions as well.


As I was plugging in Fugee's list, Rawr decided to crash on me right before I replaced the last gem. However, before that his list only came out to 14500ish. I replaced his Dragon's Eyes with Cardinal Rubys just on the principle of calculating it without professions.

As far as I could tell, the BiS list posted on the front page is correct with the exception of a few gemming issues. There may be different combinations of yellow gems that may work better instead of the extra hit rating, but everything with Agility on it was valued fairly low after that 76% crit.

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Old 03/12/10, 5:28 PM   #741
Taiyri
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Magtheridon
Is it normal to have Rawr think that agility is better than Arm Pen even with an Arm Pen trinket equipped? I have to gem entirely armor pen to reach my soft cap with food but Rawr still shows going full agility as a 20dps increase, is that normal? I'm only just now getting into icc gear and still have a lot of 232 and 245 ilevel gear but it seems weird that rawr would show agility as better. Fully raid buffed I sit at about 66% crit and about 10 or 11k attack power. Is there some setting in rawr that I'm not using properly or is it just because I'm still so far from the crit soft cap?

Edited for idiotic phrasing...

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Old 03/12/10, 6:18 PM   #742
Impossible3144
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Frostmourne
At that level of gear, I think it's going to be how much ArP is on your gear, as you're probably not at the point of worrying about the soft crit cap. It looks like you started gemming pure ArP pretty early. It's probably not worth gemming back, though, just focus on getting more gear with ArP on it (T10 being the obvious way). You should really only be softcapped until you get a better trinket, so don't push over 722 with gems.

Also make sure you have all the buffs you expect to have in a raid ticked, as that will affect stat values pretty significantly.

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Old 03/12/10, 8:52 PM   #743
Ephram
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Mannoroth
Taiyri

1. You have the wrong enchants on your boots and gloves, you want agi on both with your current gear.
2. Arp is your best stat up till the soft cap, you probably just didn't have all the buffs enabled.

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Old 03/13/10, 9:53 AM   #744
Taiyri
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Magtheridon
I'm not sure what I did differently but now it shows that I am gemmed correctly with the exception of my gloves. I swapped out a gem for the socket bonus and to bring me right at 722 armor pen with arm pen food so none is wasted. I just got my 264 headpiece and next will probably be shoulders assuming I can finally get my damn pants from VoA. Anyways, thanks for the help!

Edit: Also swapped my enchants, thanks Ephram.

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Old 03/13/10, 10:23 AM   #745
Hezkezl
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Vashj
Originally Posted by Fugee View Post
I don't get how the list on the front page is bis when it goes over arp cap with gems and food, this is the list i got using rawr 2.3.11. Let me know if you see anything wrong with it.


[Sanctified Lasherweave Headguard]
[Sindragosa's Cruel Claw]
[Sanctified Lasherweave Shoulderpads]
[Vereesa's Dexterity]
[Sanctified Lasherweave Raiment]
[Toskk's Maximized Wristguards]
[Oathbinder, Charge of the Ranger-General]
[Idol of the Crying Moon]
[Aldriana's Gloves of Secrecy]
[Astrylian's Sutured Cinch]
[Sanctified Lasherweave Legguards]
[Frostbitten Fur Boots]
[Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance]
[Band of the Bone Colossus]
[Deathbringer's Will]
[Herkuml War Token]

Berserk on weapon, 20 agi on gloves, 16 agi on boots.

Using agi food and these gems.

8x [Fractured Cardinal Ruby], 3x [Fractured Dragon's Eye], 3x [Rigid King's Amber], 2x [Accurate Ametrine], 2x [Glinting Ametrine], 2x [Deft Ametrine]

My druids a jc/enchanter so just fill in the proper enchants/gems with whatever your professions are.
You've listed 20 gems, and there are 20 sockets in the gear you've listed, not counting the Meta-gem slot in the helmet. That being said, are you completely ignoring the metagem requirement and the nightmare tear for activating it? Or did I miss something?

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Old 03/13/10, 10:42 PM   #746
Fugee
Glass Joe
 
Human Druid
 
Korgath
Originally Posted by Hezkezl View Post
You've listed 20 gems, and there are 20 sockets in the gear you've listed, not counting the Meta-gem slot in the helmet. That being said, are you completely ignoring the metagem requirement and the nightmare tear for activating it? Or did I miss something?
Figured it was obvious, tear goes into the weapon or belt to get the meta requirements.

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Old 03/15/10, 9:53 AM   #747
Murna
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Kargath (EU)
Hm, you are completely right. The stat summary below my two BiS lists were totally off. I don't really know how that could happen.

However, I fixed them and the gems too.


As you can see, I used a lot of [Rigid King's Amber] in my HM BiS list to come closer to the Hitcap.
RAWR actually rates Agility and Haste both a little bit higher than Hit. What are your opinions on this?


Also remember, that the BiS lists I used on the opening post are before profession and without heroic presence.

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Old 03/15/10, 2:52 PM   #748
Hezkezl
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Vashj
Originally Posted by Fugee View Post
Figured it was obvious, tear goes into the weapon or belt to get the meta requirements.
Ah, I see. I completely missed out on the fact that the belt can have an extra socket via the readily available BS buckle. My apologies I looked through the list and saw all the available gem slots, blues included, taken by other gems and had completely overlooked the buckle. Whups!

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Old 03/15/10, 8:52 PM   #749
Tukutanu
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Firetree
This is a little off topic, but I was watching the video guide that list in OP. I saw someone use feral charge to jump away from the boss and then back to the boss. How exactly is that being done? Is it a macro or something?

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Old 03/15/10, 11:13 PM   #750
Pumbaa
Von Kaiser
 
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Troll Druid
 
Stormreaver (EU)
@Tukutanu
Can you be a bit more specific, what video? Are you sure it wasn't just a combination of Dash and FC?

I don't think there is any way that you can use FC twice in a row. And if there is, it is most certainly an exploit.

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