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Old 08/28/09, 8:35 AM   #16
nzoq
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I wonder if a mod could be made that cancels Solar eclipse when under the effects of bloodlust and lunar eclipse has finished its cooldown.

I like Typhoon for a few fights (Gluth, XT, Faction Champions) where the knockback and daze prove useful. It's also an okay panic button when trash gets haywire.

Does IS still provide the highest DPET even when not glyphed? I think it may.

(the following question was answered in the original post) Does Improved Moonfire affect the critical chance of Moonfire ticks while wearing 2T9, or only the critical chance of the initial strike?

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Old 08/28/09, 9:22 AM   #17
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Your last question was already mentioned in the talent description of improved moonfire.

# Improved Moonfire: This damage bonus, Glyph of Moonfire, Moonfury, and Genesis all stack additively. The crit% bonus does affect DoT tick crits with the 2T9 bonus (PTR).

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Old 08/30/09, 8:26 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
Under the effect of Bloodlust, Wrath will gain very little DPS since it's usually so close to the 1s GCD minimum in the first place. The goal during Bloodlust is to use Lunar Eclipse as much as possible.
  • Near the beginning of Bloodlust, when there's ample time left to proc and use a full Eclipse, cast Wrath to proc a Lunar Eclipse. If Lunar is off cooldown, cancel Solar if necessary so you can proc Lunar right away.
  • If Lunar is on cooldown, refresh Moonfire and spam Starfire. If Solar procs and you have 2T8, cast Wrath. But in either case, cancel Solar when Lunar is eligible to proc again.
  • Near the end of Bloodlust (when there's not enough time for another Lunar Eclipse), just switch back your normal rotation.
Originally Posted by nzoq View Post
I wonder if a mod could be made that cancels Solar eclipse when under the effects of bloodlust and lunar eclipse has finished its cooldown.
I've updated WiseEclipse: The last version (1.1.0) includes an option to cancel Solar Eclipse following Arawethion's algorythm (with enough time for another Lunar eclipse being 15s), you only have to disable "ignore Bloodlust/heroism" in /we; also I had added another option to avoid canceling Lunar eclipse if you have 4pT8 buff, now it is optional.

Another issue regarding WiseEclipse: It does the same in Solar->Lunar as Lunar->Solar, but the difference is so minimal I think no one noticed, however, you are potentially reducing the general Eclipse downtime in 1 Wr cast.

The download link is the same for the newest version. If you find any problem with it, please PM me.

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Old 08/30/09, 9:23 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by copialinex View Post
I've updated WiseEclipse: The last version (1.1.0) includes an option to cancel Solar Eclipse following Arawethion's algorythm (with enough time for another Lunar eclipse being 15s), you only have to disable "ignore Bloodlust/heroism" in /we; also I had added another option to avoid canceling Lunar eclipse if you have 4pT8 buff, now it is optional.

Another issue regarding WiseEclipse: It does the same in Solar->Lunar as Lunar->Solar, but the difference is so minimal I think no one noticed, however, you are potentially reducing the general Eclipse downtime in 1 Wr cast.

The download link is the same for the newest version. If you find any problem with it, please PM me.
My coding and Spanish are both a bit rusty, but it looks good. Haven't gotten to try it yet, but only question is why you multiply by 60 here. I thought GetSpellInfo() and GetTime() both returned units of seconds, so you don't need to convert into anything to get the 15s you want. I'll tell you if it works right after today's raid though.

if (expirationTimeAnsia ~= nil) and (expirationTimeAnsia-GetTime()>15*60) and (GetTime()>cdLunarIsOff) then
e: Also, thanks for the credit in the file, but note that I'm Hamlet (US Mal'Ganis).


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Old 08/30/09, 10:02 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
My coding and Spanish are both a bit rusty, but it looks good. Haven't gotten to try it yet, but only question is why you multiply by 60 here. I thought GetSpellInfo() and GetTime() both returned units of seconds, so you don't need to convert into anything to get the 15s you want. I'll tell you if it works right after today's raid though.

if (expirationTimeAnsia ~= nil) and (expirationTimeAnsia-GetTime()>15*60) and (GetTime()>cdLunarIsOff) then
e: Also, thanks for the credit in the file, but note that I'm Hamlet (US Mal'Ganis).
Yep, sorry for that (*60), I was trying with MotW because It`s a bit late and my shaman was asleep, will correct it now.
I dont't know why I had written EU, will correct it now

The comments are in Spanish because I wasn't in the mood to translate all, however, if there is something you want to discuss, I'd be pleased to explain the code. (I think all the remarkable stuff is covered in the first few lines, however, I tried to follow a logical coding path so anyone who looks the code could understand it, despite speaking Spanish or not)

Link updated to 1.1.1, BL/H function corrected, thank you for you advice, as it is, in 1.1.0, the BL/H funtion doesn't work.

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Old 08/30/09, 11:10 PM   #21
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Want to thank you both for posting the info about WiseEclipse. I think it helped me catch an eclipse proc more than 5 times in one 10 man Ulduar fight earlier this evening. Didn't really have a chance to really make it far but still i think its a great addition to my addon list.

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Old 08/31/09, 2:34 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by copialinex View Post
Yep, sorry for that (*60), I was trying with MotW because It`s a bit late and my shaman was asleep, will correct it now.
I dont't know why I had written EU, will correct it now

The comments are in Spanish because I wasn't in the mood to translate all, however, if there is something you want to discuss, I'd be pleased to explain the code. (I think all the remarkable stuff is covered in the first few lines, however, I tried to follow a logical coding path so anyone who looks the code could understand it, despite speaking Spanish or not)

Link updated to 1.1.1, BL/H function corrected, thank you for you advice, as it is, in 1.1.0, the BL/H funtion doesn't work.
Mil gracias.

Have you tested the 4T8 proc functionality much? I want to make sure
1) It's even necessary--typically a proc (especially during Lunar) results in two simultaneous Starfires, so they'd both be covered just fine anyway.
2) It doesn't prevent valid cancellations--when you cast an instant Starfire, is Elune's Wrath always gone by the time UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED fires?


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Old 08/31/09, 8:17 AM   #23
Latas
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I've found myself wondering lately as I think I am seeing this in my raids properly, even though its very infrequent given the circumstances. There are times that I've had both eclipses available and I will throw up my dots and 4t8 will proc and I will use the starfire while the current wrath is in flight and I know the wrath is a crit and even though the starfire hits first and crits, when the wrath lands I end up getting a lunar proc. Now this string of events makes me wonder if the chance for spells to proc eclipse is not determined at spell hit but at the same time it is determined if the spell crit like natures grace is. Now given this it would seem that latency would play much less of a part in the macro's success than the slight flight time that starfire actually has.

Not sure if this would spur you on to modify the way the macro is presented in the guide or not, but I thought I would share these findings with you.

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Old 08/31/09, 11:40 AM   #24
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
Have you tested the 4T8 proc functionality much? I want to make sure
1) It's even necessary--typically a proc (especially during Lunar) results in two simultaneous Starfires, so they'd both be covered just fine anyway.
2) It doesn't prevent valid cancellations--when you cast an instant Starfire, is Elune's Wrath always gone by the time UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED fires?
I don't have the 4pT8 bonus yet, so I haven't tested.
1) I haven't thought that... You must be right. I'll try to be sure, but it'll require a little time.
2) I don't have the bonus yet, but with a DK's Rime and Howling Blast, if you have the Rime buff and you cast a HB, when UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED of Howling Blast is fired, UnitBuff("player","Rime") returns valid information (time ~= nil).

edit: 1) You were right, both are covered by the Eclipse buff, it doesn't matter which one cancels the Eclipse. I will remove the 4pT8 function soon.
edit2: WiseEclipse updated and uploaded (the link remains the same). I think the addon is now complete, I won't update it so often if no problems or new mechanics are found. I hope it proves useful.

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Old 09/02/09, 2:24 AM   #25
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A great article, but I agree with erdluf. It needs an introduction saying it's for moonkin raiding.

Sorry to ask, but I've been searching for ages now and still can't find anything on Moonkin PVP anywhere. Can anyone link me to a good thread? Help is greatly appreciated.

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Old 09/02/09, 9:01 AM   #26
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Originally Posted by Droo. View Post
A great article, but I agree with erdluf. It needs an introduction saying it's for moonkin raiding.

Sorry to ask, but I've been searching for ages now and still can't find anything on Moonkin PVP anywhere. Can anyone link me to a good thread? Help is greatly appreciated.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of discussion by hi-ranked Moonkin.

Best recent discussion I've seen was on US Blizz forum.

EJ has a PvP forum, but you won't see much Balance talk there.

Themoonkinrepository.com has a PvP Forum with some signs of life. It has been a while since I've looked there.

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Old 09/06/09, 10:07 AM   #27
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45.9 crit rating gives 1% to crit. With Vengeance and a Chaotic Skyflare Diamond, crits with our main nukes do 2.09 times the damage of non crits.
Can you elaborate a bit on how this formula looks? For it to fit the measured 1.545 damage multiplier without vengeance and 2.09 with vengeance, I seem to end up with a formula that looks way too complex to make sense.

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Old 09/06/09, 1:28 PM   #28
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Crits usually do 50% Bonus Damage, or 1.5 [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] increases this by 3% so you do 1.5 * 1.03 = 1.545
Vengeance doubles the Bonus Damage (.545) so 2 * .545 = 1.09 additional, or 2.09 total.

The Logic is a bit off, one would expect the meta to apply after vengeance (thus 2 * 1.03 = 2.06), but with testing we can see that it's prior.

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Old 09/07/09, 9:47 AM   #29
Teleria
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Excelent post, have not read it all yet but definitly will finish reading through it after work !

Would like to ad one thing I saw so far,

you wrote:

[Item not found!] can save a tiny bit of mana if you ever have to rebuff people during a fight.
This glyph is extremly usefull in mana intensive fights with aoe, when you cast gift of the wild on your raid it has 25 chances to proc clearcasting of omen of clarity, which is pretty much a 100% chance to proc clearcasting

This means that instead of spending 81% of your base mana on a hurricane you only spend 32% of your base mana on Gift of the wild to proc clearcast and cast a free hurricane

Hope this was usefull, will see if I can ad anything else after I have read the post through

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Old 09/07/09, 8:07 PM   #30
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Very good post, very good for refreshing up on numbers one should know, but can't remember.

Anyways, I thought I'd just come with a small suggestion, and that is to add a small note about stacking trinkets and hurricane.
Back some time before Ulduar, Hurricane stacked up my Illustration of the Dragon Soul, but it doesn't do that anymore. What I find useful is to use a GCD on insect swarm or equivalent to keep that stack up in for the added spell power during AoE. The same issue is found with Eye of the Broodmother, and I'm using both of those, making it even a bigger issue for me to not let them drop.

Just a tip, I don't know if it is worth adding something this item specific.

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