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Old 09/08/09, 2:34 AM   #31
 Hamlet
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Originally Posted by Knofle View Post
Very good post, very good for refreshing up on numbers one should know, but can't remember.

Anyways, I thought I'd just come with a small suggestion, and that is to add a small note about stacking trinkets and hurricane.
Back some time before Ulduar, Hurricane stacked up my Illustration of the Dragon Soul, but it doesn't do that anymore. What I find useful is to use a GCD on insect swarm or equivalent to keep that stack up in for the added spell power during AoE. The same issue is found with Eye of the Broodmother, and I'm using both of those, making it even a bigger issue for me to not let them drop.

Just a tip, I don't know if it is worth adding something this item specific.
Hurricane was fixed in 3.2 to refresh/add a single stack of these trinkets when you cast it.


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Old 09/08/09, 2:36 AM   #32
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Originally Posted by Teleria View Post
This glyph is extremly usefull in mana intensive fights with aoe, when you cast gift of the wild on your raid it has 25 chances to proc clearcasting of omen of clarity, which is pretty much a 100% chance to proc clearcasting

This means that instead of spending 81% of your base mana on a hurricane you only spend 32% of your base mana on Gift of the wild to proc clearcast and cast a free hurricane

Hope this was usefull, will see if I can ad anything else after I have read the post through
Very nice, thanks a lot

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Old 09/08/09, 8:26 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
Hurricane was fixed in 3.2 to refresh/add a single stack of these trinkets when you cast it.
Woops, wasn't aware of that. Can't say there are many AoE fights in ToC, so I guess I've just not found out yet.
I just remember it stacked on hurricane, and that was awesome.

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Old 09/08/09, 7:48 PM   #34
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Haste

In your description of haste, you say that we should aim for 401 haste rating to be at soft cap. Are you taking into consideration the 3% haste from Imp Moonkin Form? Just wondering.
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Old 09/09/09, 6:27 PM   #35
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The link to the core-specc doesn't work any longer since mmo-champion changed their talent-calculator to shorten the URLs.

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Old 09/10/09, 6:44 PM   #36
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Fixed a few minor things. This will probably be on the TTT forum soon.

I might not be doing too much more with this for a little while--I just joined a new guild and am playing mostly Resto. I'll probably try to keep it up to date, which shouldn't be too much work since I don't foresee anything game-changing between now and Cataclysm.


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Old 09/10/09, 7:57 PM   #37
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Of course, as soon I post that I think of something kind of interesting. I'm pretty sure Glyph of Starfall isn't worth it even in an AoE-heavy situation.

A Starfall with one target in range drops 10 stars in 10 seconds; a Starfall with more than one target in range drops 20 stars in 10 seconds. As a brief test, I tried doubling the damage output of Starfall in the spreadsheet and it still came out below Glyph of Insect Swarm. So it seems that even in an ideal situation where there are multiple targets available every time Starfall comes off cooldown, the Glyph isn't worthwhile.

This is a slight underestimate since you might gain some splash damage against many targets. But on the other hand, most multi-target situations allow for multi-dotting, which increases the value of Glyph of IS far more anyway.

In short, those of you who had been using Glyph of Starfall in the first place (though I hadn't recommended it for a while) probably shouldn't bother.


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Old 09/11/09, 3:52 PM   #38
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Interesting point Arawethion. I had watch the Paragon video of the Anub kill. I don't know if you watched the fight but they tanked the four adds and the boss next to each other (essentially 5 targets) and aoe-ed them down.

I was just thinking about how in such an encounter if using the two gylphs on starfall, gale winds and hurricane would be benefical. But as I understand it when my guild reaches that encounter, I should try to IS the five targets and then use hurricane w/ gale winds?

You mentioned two targets but I wondered if your analysis considered 5 or if the point was irrelevent b/c the damage just doesn't scale well with starfall w/ glyphs.

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Old 09/11/09, 5:06 PM   #39
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I was purely comparing Glyphs there, not commenting on ideal AoE rotations.

AoE situations are all slightly different--if you're trying to completely optimize DPS at a progression encounter, I'd check the damage done by each of your spells in the spreadsheet and use that to plan out an ideal sequence (remember assumption made about debuffs).

We're not supposed to talk about Heroic Anub yet so I'll only speak generally--5 mobs lasting more than a few seconds each. If had to guess at the right rotation, it would be pure Hurricane spam, not tab-IS. Maybe with a Moonfire cast periodically to proc the Idol and hope for a NG for your Hurricane, that's an interesting option.

If it turns out that you're using IS very little during the DPS-senstive part of the fight, you might use Glyph of Starfall. The big benefit is two NG'd Hurricanes from each Starfall. But again, use what you know about the fight to plan it out exactly--how long is the phase and how many Starfalls will you get, how often are you dotting the boss between add spawns, etc.--and compute what's better.


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Old 09/12/09, 1:11 AM   #40
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so i was wondering if you have t8 4 piece or t9 2 piece would consistantly keeping up the dots all the time be benificial and tip the scale in the favor of throwing them in before they drop in a eclipse cycle?

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Old 09/13/09, 2:15 AM   #41
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Old 09/14/09, 12:37 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
I was purely comparing Glyphs there, not commenting on ideal AoE rotations.

AoE situations are all slightly different--if you're trying to completely optimize DPS at a progression encounter, I'd check the damage done by each of your spells in the spreadsheet and use that to plan out an ideal sequence (remember assumption made about debuffs).

We're not supposed to talk about Heroic Anub yet so I'll only speak generally--5 mobs lasting more than a few seconds each. If had to guess at the right rotation, it would be pure Hurricane spam, not tab-IS. Maybe with a Moonfire cast periodically to proc the Idol and hope for a NG for your Hurricane, that's an interesting option.

If it turns out that you're using IS very little during the DPS-senstive part of the fight, you might use Glyph of Starfall. The big benefit is two NG'd Hurricanes from each Starfall. But again, use what you know about the fight to plan it out exactly--how long is the phase and how many Starfalls will you get, how often are you dotting the boss between add spawns, etc.--and compute what's better.
Clarification apprecaited and I apologize. The H-Anub was meant as an example in understanding the mechanics of starfall w/ glyphs and to better understand the point of the double damage scaling of starfall that was mentioned. My purpose wasn't to derail the thread into a HAnub strat for moonkins.

Also I don't know if it is worth mentioning. I know most here are Squawk & Awe lovers, but since you mentioned Quartz in your article. It seems appropriate. Quartz has an eclipse module for moonkins. While I haven't used S&A in a while so I can't make a point for point comparison but I can say that I have no issues tracking my procs, dots and CDs with it. So those more comfortable with Quartz might prefer or want to try it.
Quartz: Eclipse Module - Addons - Curse

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Old 09/16/09, 6:00 AM   #43
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Awesome write up, I took a long vacation from WoW, but came back a few weeks ago. My gear was mostly Naxx25 with a few Ulduar 25 Hardmode pieces. Being the only raiding moonkin in my guild means that I am welcome into most raids for my 5% crit bonus even though I was/am undergeared a bit. So in my quest to make my dps formidable once again, I really like this article.

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Old 09/16/09, 1:49 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
Is this the correct link for WiseEclipse?
4shared.com - online file sharing and storage - download WiseEclipsev1.0.1.rar

Also, I gave the code a quick scan--looks like it's just my macro, but triggering on UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED. Which is good--I think that's exactly what we want. Will add it in.
This is a very interesting addon, that I would love to try. However, I have an issue with the source.

I am not saying either of you guys are Keyloggers or wrote anything malicious into the code, but I don't know that I can be 100% sure this addon is safe. It is my understanding that Curse Gaming and WoWInterface reviews addons submitted to them so that users can download them comfortably.

Just for security of mind for my readers and myself, could one of you guys submit this addon to Curse and/or WoWInterface?

www.GrayMatterWoW.blogspot.com - My Moonkin related Blog.

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Old 09/16/09, 1:59 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Cdin View Post
This is a very interesting addon, that I would love to try. However, I have an issue with the source.

I am not saying either of you guys are Keyloggers or wrote anything malicious into the code, but I don't know that I can be 100% sure this addon is safe. It is my understanding that Curse Gaming and WoWInterface reviews addons submitted to them so that users can download them comfortably.

Just for security of mind for my readers and myself, could one of you guys submit this addon to Curse and/or WoWInterface?
It's hard to do much malicious with addons since they run in a protected environment using an API provided with the WoW client. I'm pretty sure all Curse/WI do is make sure their downloads contain only addon files and not things like .exe's. Anyway, you can look at the source yourself, it's very short.


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