Best Possible Feral DPS in SimulationCraft - Page 12

Furion · 03/22/10, 11:45 AM

Unfortunately I deleted all my simcraft files but I remember having a line that used potion of speed during bloodlust. I think this should be included as it is a significant dps increase and will be used in most relevant scenarios.

Thendariel · 03/22/10, 1:53 PM

And use TF when you pop this potion and have Heroism. This is best time to use for full it potential (more white hits with +dmg and more OoC proc for yellow with +dmg)

Starfox · 03/22/10, 3:54 PM

Just had someone report a bug in all current versions: Issue 272 - simulationcraft - In the combatlog, Savage Roar consumes no energy. - Project Hosting on Google Code
SR does in fact not consume any energy when it is casted.
Fix is in trunk, don't know when nate is gonna push a release, perhaps he'll wait if 3.3.3 ships this week.

dedmonwakeen · 03/23/10, 5:35 PM

Originally Posted by Starfox

Just had someone report a bug in all current versions: Issue 272 - simulationcraft - In the combatlog, Savage Roar consumes no energy. - Project Hosting on Google Code
SR does in fact not consume any energy when it is casted.
Fix is in trunk, don't know when nate is gonna push a release, perhaps he'll wait if 3.3.3 ships this week.

I just went on a Issue-stomping frenzy followed by a release. Twig's fix is in the latest download.

Torzak · 03/25/10, 3:38 AM

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I get the following with 333

Look here for error messages and simple text-only reporting.

Player Torzak has no weapon equipped at the Main-Hand slot.
No active players in sim!

Player Torzak has no weapon equipped at the Main-Hand slot.
No active players in sim!

Simulation failed!

Edit: To clarify, I do have a Main-Hand weapon equipped when attempting to run 333.

Edit#2: I'm not sure how the simulation program imports exactly your gear and/or stats, but I found something strange:

Equipping and Unequipping [Frostbrood Sapphire Ring] and running 332-4 is only 57 DPS difference between having the ring on and not having any ring on in one slot. 100 agility at a very conservative 1.5DPS per point alone would be worth 150 DPS, nevermind the other stats on the ring. I stumbled upon this in 332-4 which even if bugged by a 'SR costs no energy bug', should still net more than a 57 DPS difference for this ring as it certainly does so for the i251 saurfang's cold-forged band. I stood in awe when my dps dropped by 400 simply by replacing an i251 ring with an i276 one which brought on the 'no ring in one slot' test since it seemed to line up almost perfectly for the total DPS value of the ring that I was expecting.

Edit#3: This will probably help. This is how it shows when I import from the armory:

finger1=frostbrood_sapphire_ring,gems=20agi_4crit,enchant=40ap

gcbirzan · 03/25/10, 6:14 AM

Originally Posted by Torzak

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I get the following with 333

You're not. I'm getting something similar, see issue 278 and a few others.

Edit: It's fixed in the latest trunk (or at least, it works for me there)

Deathwing · 04/06/10, 9:47 AM

Helistar requested from another thread that I post my shred and mangle profiles here. First off, my gear, unchanged between both:

head=sanctified_lasherweave_headguard,heroic=1,stats=183agi_564armor_106arpen_196ap_114crit_183sta,gems=relentless_earthsiege_20arpen_8agi,enchant=50ap_20crit
neck=sindragosas_cruel_claw,heroic=1,stats=102agi_68arpen_120ap_60haste_102sta,gems=20arpen
shoulders=sanctified_lasherweave_shoulderpads,heroic=1,stats=136agi_521armor_82arpen_165ap_90crit_136sta,gems=20arpen_4agi,enchant=40ap_15crit
chest=sanctified_lasherweave_raiment,heroic=1,stats=183agi_694armor_106arpen_212ap_122crit_183sta,gems=10agi_10hit_10agi_10hit_6agi,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
waist=astrylians_sutured_cinch,heroic=1,stats=120agi_391armor_74arpen_181ap_90crit_136sta,gems=34arpen_34arpen_34hit
legs=sanctified_lasherweave_legguards,heroic=1,stats=183agi_608armor_122arpen_212ap_106exp_183sta,gems=10agi_10hit_20hit_6agi,enchant=75ap_22crit
feet=frostbitten_fur_boots,heroic=1,stats=120agi_477armor_74arpen_181ap_90crit_136sta,gems=10agi_10hit_10agi_10hit_6agi,enchant=12crit_12hit
wrists=toskks_maximized_wristguards,heroic=1,stats=102agi_304armor_68arpen_120ap_60crit_102sta,gems=10exp_10hit_10exp_10hit_4agi,enchant=50ap
hands=aldrianas_gloves_of_secrecy,heroic=1,stats=128agi_434armor_90arpen_165ap_74haste_136sta,gems=20arpen_20arpen_20arpen,enchant=20hit
finger1=band_of_the_bone_colossus,heroic=1,stats=102agi_120ap_65haste_62hit_102sta,gems=10agi_10hit_4agi
finger2=frostbrood_sapphire_ring,heroic=1,stats=102agi_68arpen_120ap_60crit_102sta,gems=20arpen_4crit
trinket1=herkuml_war_token,stats=153haste,equip=onattackhit_17ap_20stack_10dur
trinket2=deathbringers_will,heroic=1,stats=167arpen
back=shadowvault_slayers_cloak,heroic=1,stats=102agi_185armor_120ap_60crit_68haste_102sta,gems=10exp_10hit_4agi,enchant=22agi
main_hand=oathbinder_charge_of_the_rangergeneral,heroic=1,stats=179agi_122arpen_228ap_114crit_195sta,gems=10agi_10hit_10agi_10int_10spi_10sta_10str_20hit,enchant=berserking,weapon=polearm_3.60speed_991min_1487max
ranged=idol_of_the_crying_moon
# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=20
# gear_agility=1917
# gear_stamina=1818
# gear_intellect=20
# gear_spirit=20
# gear_attack_power=2355
# gear_expertise_rating=136
# gear_armor_penetration_rating=1355
# gear_hit_rating=268
# gear_crit_rating=873
# gear_haste_rating=420
# gear_armor=4178
# meta_gem=relentless_earthsiege
# tier10_2pc_melee=1
# tier10_4pc_melee=1
# trinket2=deathbringers_will,heroic=1
# main_hand=oathbinder_charge_of_the_rangergeneral,heroic=1,weapon=polearm_3.60speed_991min_1487max,enchant=berserking

I'm using the default shred profile in simulationcraft:

talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=11&tal=0000000000000000000000000000503202032322012053120030313511203503012000000000000000000
glyphs=shred/rip/savage_roar
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=hearty_rhino
actions+=/cat_form
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/maim
actions+=/faerie_fire_feral,debuff_only=1
actions+=/tigers_fury,energy<=40,berserk=0
actions+=/berserk_cat,energy>=70,energy<=90
actions+=/savage_roar,cp>=1,savage_roar<=1
actions+=/savage_roar,cp>=5,savage_roar<=6,rip>=6
actions+=/shred,extend_rip=1,rip<=4
actions+=/rip,cp>=5,time_to_die>=6
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=5,time_to_die<=6
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=5,rip>=10
actions+=/mangle_cat,mangle<=1
actions+=/rake,time_to_die>=9
actions+=/shred,energy>=70
actions+=/shred,omen_of_clarity=1
actions+=/shred,cp<=4,rip<=3
actions+=/shred,time_to_die<=9
actions+=/shred,berserk=1

And here's my mangle profile:

talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=11&tal=0000000000000000000000000000523202030322012053120030313511203503012000000000000000000
glyphs=mangle/rip/savage_roar
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=hearty_rhino
actions+=/cat_form
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/maim
actions+=/faerie_fire_feral,debuff_only=1
actions+=/tigers_fury,energy<=40,berserk=0
actions+=/berserk_cat,energy>=70,energy<=90
actions+=/savage_roar,cp>=1,savage_roar<=1
actions+=/savage_roar,cp>=5,savage_roar<=6,rip>=2
actions+=/shred,omen_of_clarity=1
actions+=/rip,cp>=5,time_to_die>=6
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=5,time_to_die<=6
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=5,rip>=7
actions+=/mangle_cat,mangle<=1
actions+=/rake,time_to_die>=9
actions+=/mangle_cat,energy>=60,mangle<=60
actions+=/mangle_cat,cp<=4,rip<=2,mangle<=60
actions+=/mangle_cat,time_to_die<=9,mangle<=60
actions+=/mangle_cat,berserk=1,mangle<=60

The main difference is that I moved up the OOC-shred in the priority list(sorry Helistar, that's a 350 dps gain just by itself), and I lowered the remaining rip timers on FB, SR clipping, and the second mangle action towards the end. The rip remaining timer on SR clipping could have been set anywhere between 2 and 4 seconds, it was almost meaningless difference within that range.

These simulations are with no arms warrior or other feral, so the shred profile had to use mangle. I also used 10k iterations to tighten up the averaging. I got 13460 dps with the mangle profile and 13719 with the shred profile. I think I'm going to give it a try once I can get the time to rewrite Furion's move predictor script in Ovale to suit a mangle profile.

I would like to find a way force the simulator to use SR at a certain CP after desyncing it with rip. The models(toskk's and rawr) say using 5 cp SR is better dps than whatever you got at the time.

Deathwing · 04/08/10, 1:47 AM

Just an update on this, I wrote a custom Ovale script to use my mangle simulator profile above. I don't have emperical evidence to compare cleanly to a shred build, but I got 11458 dps(recount) on LK 25. That should at least show it's viable. That was with being val'kyr'd twice. I should have a WoL report up tomorrow if one of my guildmates uploads as usual.

The playstyle was a lot smoother and only rarely did I get problems on shredding during OoC. If anything, I was too fast and pressing mangle during my clearcast procs, so it can use some work. If anyone is interested, I can post my Ovale script in this thread of the other one. It's actually quite simple to translate simcraft code to ovale script once you see it.

Deathwing · 04/12/10, 7:16 PM

I've updated my simcraft profile, got a couple hundred more dps out of it as well. This time I took Furion's profile from the previous page and modified that. The same tuning I used on the mangle profile did NOT provide any benefits for the shred profile, which I thought was a bit weird. Moving OOC shred up to right below the roar/rip desyncing and moving rip below where ooc shred would go was the only improvements I could make to Furion's profile, and that was 20 dps, if that.

I'll repost both for easy comparison. Furion's:

druid=BiS
level=80
race=Tauren
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=11&tal=0000000000000000000000000000540202132322010053120030313511203503012000000000000000000
glyphs=shred/rip/savage_roar
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=hearty_rhino
actions+=/cat_form
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/faerie_fire_feral,debuff_only=1
actions+=/tigers_fury,energy<=30,berserk=0
actions+=/berserk_cat,energy>=80,energy<=90
actions+=/savage_roar,cp>=1,savage_roar<=1
actions+=/rip,cp>=5,time_to_die>=6
actions+=/savage_roar,time_to_die>=9,cp>=3,if=buff.savage_roar.remains<=8&dot.rip.remains-buff.savage_roar.remains>=-3
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=5,time_to_die<=6
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=4,time_to_die<=1
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=5,rip>=8,savage_roar>=11
actions+=/shred,extend_rip=1,rip<=4,savage_roar>=3
actions+=/mangle_cat,mangle<=1
actions+=/rake,time_to_die>=9
actions+=/shred,if=(buff.combo_points.stack<=4|dot.rip.remains>=0.8)&dot.mangle.remains>=0&dot.rake.remains>=0.4&(energy>=80|buff.omen_of_clarity.up|dot.rip.remains<=2|buff.berserk.up|cooldown.tigers_fury.remains<=3)
actions+=/shred,time_to_die<=9
actions+=/shred,cp<=0,savage_roar<=2

My mangle profile:

race=tauren
use_pre_potion=-1
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=11&tal=0000000000000000000000000000550202032322010053120030313511203503012000000000000000000
glyphs=mangle/rip/savage_roar
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=hearty_rhino
actions+=/cat_form
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/faerie_fire_feral,debuff_only=1
actions+=/tigers_fury,energy<=40,berserk=0
actions+=/berserk_cat,energy>=80,energy<=90
actions+=/savage_roar,cp>=1,savage_roar<=1
actions+=/savage_roar,time_to_die>=9,cp>=5,savage_roar<=8,rip>=2
actions+=/shred,omen_of_clarity=1,mangle>=1
actions+=/rip,cp>=5,time_to_die>=6
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=5,time_to_die<=6
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=4,time_to_die<=1
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=5,rip>=6,savage_roar>=9
actions+=/mangle_cat,mangle<=1
actions+=/rake,time_to_die>=9
actions+=/mangle_cat,if=(buff.combo_points.stack<=4|dot.rip.remains>=1)&dot.rake.remains>=0.6&(energy>=80|dot.rip.remains<=1|buff.berserk.up|cooldown.tigers_fury.remains<=3),mangle<=60
actions+=/mangle_cat,time_to_die<=9,mangle<=60
actions+=/mangle_cat,cp<=0,savage_roar<=2,mangle<=60

I used the same gear and I managed 13685 with the mangle profile and 14043 with the shred(14090 with manglebot). This is tauren too, so no heroic aura. I'm hoping the stark difference between the dps results posted on that same page and mine is the savage roar costing no energy bug in simulation craft. A good sign is that the first shred profile and this shred profile, the difference in dps between both mangle profiles built out of both is a bit below 3%. So it's either right, or I'm doing something fundamentally wrong.

Anyway, some peculiarities I wanted to point out. The logic for the roar/rip desyncing is different for the mangle build than it is for shred, would this be from no shred glyph? Raising the rip min time benefited the mangled build but not shred. Shred glyph again?

One other thing I wanted to mention is that I was able to improve Furion's profile just a bit by changing the rip remains comparators to 1(on both) for the shred filler statement. Moving OOC shred up the priority list to below the roar desync show a bit of dps improvement as well.