I find it interesting that the profile has 2 expertise gems, I assume that was chosen by the simulator?

Does anyone know if SimCraft takes into account the 4.8% white crit to hit suppression? Basically, 4.8% of white hits are guaranteed to hit and not crit no matter what your crit rate is.

I've opened an issue on the site exploring this... The crit cap is currently expressing itself as 76% and not 71.2%.

It hasn't exactly been narrowed to 4.8% (as opposed to 5%), so we don't really know if Blizzard hard-coded a 5% hit chance always, or whether it's a result of the crit suppression.

I'm going to go auto-attack a dummy for awhile and figure this out, but it's something that needs to be added.

Even without that though, you still start reaching into white-crit-cap territory during a Death's Verdict proc, nullifying the value of additional crit for 30+% of your damage (and you get all that value back by gemming expertise).

I already did some testing, and I'm almost positive it's 4.8%. I went in with 0 hit/expertise/56% crit and did 5k white swings and ended up with everything within 0.2% of their expected values including 4.9% white hits.

You know what? I completely forgot yellows are on a 2 roll table, I was doing tests on white hits all day long and completely forgot about the 2 roll table when I thought it would be a good idea to test the yellow attack crit depression as well.

I decided to check out Ovale to see its suggestions and it is very flawed at the moment.

For example it does not have ferocious bite implemented at all. It also neglects to keep mangle up at times when it has 5 CP and it is waiting for a rip to finish. Even if the rip will not be finished within 12 seconds and your energy bar is full (where even shredding to keep from wasting energy would be a better use of energy).

With this said I think it would be great if we could implement a SimCraft list into Ovale with the seeming loss of FBN.
Editing of FBN would probably be the better route however since the addon has already had so much work put into it.

Ovale has FBN in its code:

if ComboPoints(more 4) and BuffPresent(SAVAGEROAR 8) and TargetDebuffPresent(RIP 8 mine=1)
Spell(FEROCIOUSBITE)

Might not be working at all though, I'll have to take a look in-game. But yeah, implementing the SimCraft list in Ovale would be sweet.

I've done about 5k hits so far and it's been at 4.8% almost exactly thus far. Other testers in the crit depression thread show data that also seems to come to the same conclusion.

I also tested it to see if I could avoid the crit depression with white attacks by not trying to gear past the 4.8% permanent hit. The following results show what my combat table looked like after my testing:

With 0 hit/0 expertise/58.52% Crit
24% Glancing
14% Parry
6.5% Dodge
8% miss
4.8% hit
42.7% Crit

With 0 hit/0 expertise/42.70% Crit
24% Glancing
14% Parry
6.5% Dodge
8% miss
9.6% hit
37.9% Crit

This was done with roughly 5k hits each. I'll try and dig up the screenshots of recount later.

What is up with the 9.6% miss? Shouldn't that be 8%?

Sorry, late night and I mixed up my numbers from all over the place. Should be fixed now.

That's going to be really rather difficult since I can only account for 15% avoided attacks and no glancing blows, requiring 85% crit, but I'll see what I can do.