Cyclone doesn't work. Tried it the first time I was there.

You have to heal very aggressively for my way to work or else you'll exceed the time limit (and lose as a result). Taurens have the advantage of war stomp at least.

I would appreciate any feedback regarding these encounter specific questions:

- Is the mechanic by which Sindragosa determines who are the healers in a raid known?

- Is the mechanic by which Blood-Queen Lana'thel selects its first bite target known?

- Has any resto druid had a go at Lich King in 10m heroic? I am particularly interested in how well we are able to deal with initial Infest damage when paired with a holy paladin.

I believe it is the highest person on the threat list behind the two tanks will be the first one bitten. If you want a specific dps to get the first bite, he should probably blow all his cooldowns at the beginning of the fight. It will never be a healer who gets the first bite.

Out of curiosity, are you trying to 2 heal LK 10 man heroic?

Seconded. I got out within like 10-20 seconds (10man) when I went nuts healing him. Trying to do anything like dps or interrupt just felt like a waste of time. However, I don't think he has a damage buff dependent on his health, he seems to reset/lose his health every half a second dependent on how much he has and use whatever health he just lost to do damage, because the more I healed the guy the more damage he did, but his health did not go up much, just fluctuated more. Quite a mana drain though.

As for heroic, I disagree with Playered. I found when I used 4p9 and RR that I only had to Swiftmend on some Infests, but I did not lose people to it. Yes, it's no better than using a Disc priest, but Revitalize procs I felt made a difference. On the other hand, I don't have any way of weighing Revitalize against PI/PS for the fight.

EDIT: Legendary Mace may have helped, as having HoTs on people when it procs stacks up quite a shield if Infest comes during that time. Seems my WoL says the mace did as much as my Rejuvs did.

This is the buff he has.

I agree with Disc + Holy Pal minimum for LK 10H. There are 4 versions of Infest and 3 of them are completely negated by 1 PW:S. Safe to assume the largest initial hit is 25H. Taking a Druid over a Priest is a bad idea, although doesn't seem that bad for the 3rd healer slot.

Oh and not sure how Rapture compares to our Revitalize.

That's how I did it the first time, War Stomp the first cast and chain cast Nourish (after putting up Rejuv). I got put into the Frostmourne room again last night for 25 LK and decided to see what difference not using War Stomp would make and it was barely anything at all.

I was running 11/0/60 which has Living Seed which may help the amount of healing I was doing to him a bit as well, but I wasn't glyphed anything special otherwise, just WG, Rejuv (not rapid) and Swiftmend. The first time I went into the Frostmourne room on 10 man I tried the whole interrupting thing and it failed badly as I missed. I've found that its much, much easier to just heal him up to full and he kills the add in no time as a result.

Revitalize is for the healers who use a basic 5x1 "rotation", which you usually should be using if your raid has the proper healer setup (druids to blanket, shamans/priests to direct, paladins for tanks). The talent is crazy good as long as you actually use Rejuvenation, even capping at 5k+ mana for a single caster, not counting the melee's rage/energy/runic power benefit.

Going by one of your logs Val'anyr was actually more around the 18%(72k) mark for you not 40%(228k) and the Paladin had only slightly less than what was reported (14% instead of 15.8%). Fair enough this is only an estimate and it could be off a couple of % either way but there is just no logical way Val'anyr will be 40% of your healing no matter what World of Logs will display poorly for you.


Take the death of Skeptic as one of your targets he had RJ on him and had the occasional Val'anyr procs during Infest but did not seem to have a PW:S for the initial hit (only a 1.6k absorb). During this time you were refreshing your RJ on other raid members and hadn't caught up with his initial damage inflicted by Infest which slowly got higher and higher and then tried a SM the second he died which failed. For what it's worth your SM was available as the previous SM cast was at 20:28:22 while Infest was at 20:28:44.
You also had this same Infest on yourself with RJ/WG on you and it failed to ever recover after the initial hit and ended up killing you after 10 seconds because no direct heal was used even though you were full health before the Infest hit.


You have set timers for Infest (every 20~ sec) which means you can sync it so everyone has RJ on them before it hits allowing you to play triage after it lands with direct heals where needed.

Obviously as I was not there to see your assignments I cannot comment much further but you seemed to be blanket hotting the raid despite the Disc Priest shielding some of the players which was wasting your hots on them and working poorly to counter Infest in general. You really -must- manage your hots perfectly to be any use at being an Infest healer and this becomes more difficult in the 70-40% phase because you cannot always rely on WG to heal enough people either.

This is a similar situation to using a DK tank on Sarth/Vezax and while I have no doubt it will eventually be plausible to bring a Resto Druid to manage the Infest right now your raid is simply better off with a Disc Priest instead.

I healed LK Heroic all last night with a Disc/Paladin combo. I definitely wouldn't want to do it without those two. As a third healer, a Tree is potentially sensible, but not great in any case. I'm not sure whether or not a Shaman would be better. We probably provide better Infest coverage when the Priest is gripped, and have enough time to maintain tank hots as well as Infest. We're essentially playing backup in both roles and therefore have low EH numbers, but I think the same might be true for any third healer. After reaching P5 a few times we even discussed two-healing it due to the DPS requirement, but it's not clear that you could handle Infest while the Priest was gripped.

For people looking at going to this fight, I'd recommend your raid bring a Paladin and Disc Priest no matter what. A Tree probably works as a third healer.

Our experience is that it is a combination of non-tank threat and total damage, but we have been unable to determine the exact algorithm (it is quite clear it is not simply one or the other though). One of four of our toons always gets it first (two arcane mages, two MM hunters), so we have the bite rotation set up for when any of those four gets bitten first, and they just take it from there.

We have never ever seen a healer get bitten, so I find that very odd.