Resto PvE Compendium and General Discussion - Page 27

Artioz · 09/16/10, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dav1l

There is no single reason to not use 4 piece tier 10. Haste soft cap is easily achieveable these days without getting items of lower item level and thus gimping spell power. Also, I neither heard, nor noticed anything about set bonus being bad when you have another druid around. Why would anyone drop an obvious HPS increase anyway?

Haste is not the reason for this, ive got the non hc t10 4set and got 2 iL277 items which are better, ive got the haste cap with or without the set. And as for ur last question, that is exactly what I am asking here...

infinitum · 09/16/10, 3:02 PM

HoTs stack so having a second druid in your raid will have no effect on the output of your T10 4p bonus.

Use treecalcs to figure out if swapping out your gear will result in a HPS increase/decrease.

Resto Druid Healing Calculator

Rijndael · 09/16/10, 4:29 PM

Originally Posted by Artioz

Hi, I've read most of this thread and it seems that some people say that the t10 4 set is only good when there is no other resto druid in the raid. Is that confirmed? Should I only use my 4 set when there is no other druid? I usually, but not always raid with a resto druid so I got il277 pants/shoulders to replace my t10 ones if it is true. I will try to do some testing tomorrow too but would be good to get some confirmation from those who have already tested it.

Who are these "some people" in this thread? Can you link their posts please?

Dav1l · 09/17/10, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by Artioz

Haste is not the reason for this, ive got the non hc t10 4set and got 2 iL277 items which are better, ive got the haste cap with or without the set. And as for ur last question, that is exactly what I am asking here...

The spellpower increase is so weak that you can't really compare it to an average 5-10% healing done by the set bonus. You might want a lot more than 264 -> 277 difference to consider switching to offsets. To be honest, I highly doubt that 277 offset would be better than 251 set.

bluering47 · 09/17/10, 11:15 AM

I think he's probably reading/recalling the discussion during the period of time when the set bonus was bugged, and the proc would overwrite other druid's Rejuvs.

• RobotChicken · 09/30/10, 11:19 AM

The only time you might consider dropping the 4p is if you are doing a 5 man (or to a lesser extent a 10 man) and have something like a full 277 set (and your tier is 264). Basically there is no reason to ever drop it; it is a very strong set bonus.

Mjoedgaard · 09/30/10, 4:49 PM

Originally Posted by RobotChicken

The only time you might consider dropping the 4p is if you are doing a 5 man (or to a lesser extent a 10 man) and have something like a full 277 set (and your tier is 264). Basically there is no reason to ever drop it; it is a very strong set bonus.

Actully there is no benefit to 4xt10 in 10 man if you go with glyph of rejuvenation, because even if you pre hot the whole grp, you still have 8 sec left to do other things.

diegoa · 10/10/10, 3:54 AM

Just a small update on future changes of TreeCalcs.com: I've added News tab and RSS link to keep people updated when the next version will be available without need to check this thread or visiting the site.

RSS feed is here: TreeCalcs News

Latest resto changes and several usability improvements are planned for 1.3 version.

• Hamlet · 10/11/10, 3:33 AM

Resto spreadsheet!

Still pretty preliminary. But I got the basic spell info in so you can look at the HPET/MP5 table, which was what I really wanted to get out ASAP. Only spell I really have left to work out is WG.

So far there's no rotation modeling and any interactions between multiple spells aren't in yet. You can choose a "rotation" of spamming Rejuv, Nourish, HT, or RG for the main page, to give a better sense of how various stats/talents affect all of our main spells.

There's also a list of haste breakpoints since people were talking about those so much.

Ignore all the leftover Moonkin stuff for now, it will gradually get cleaned out and/or replaced with Resto stuff.

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Some notes from while I was testing today:
--Symbiosis affects any LB beyond a 1-stack. It doesn't automatically affect the bloom.
--Bloom affected by GoN now, and it stacks multiplicatively with GoTEM.
--Bloom coefficient is still 0.0234.
--Tooltips aren't seeming to take Master Shapeshifter into account.
--Symbiosis is multiplicative
--The 20% Nourish bonus is multiplicative
--Nourish casts are giving Replenishment for no reason. Check if this is due to 2/2 Emp. Touch.
--Still need to figure out WG ticks and GotEM Rejuv proc.

Erdluf · 10/11/10, 8:17 AM

That looks like a Wrathcalcs, instead of a Treecalcs ...

• Hamlet · 10/11/10, 10:15 AM

Yup, fixed that :P .

diegoa · 10/12/10, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

Resto spreadsheet!

Great. Expect new version of TreeCalcs.com in a few weeks.

• Hamlet · 10/12/10, 3:37 PM

Originally Posted by diegoa

Great. Expect new version of TreeCalcs.com in a few weeks.

Keep checking--there will probably be frequent changes, esp. since the Moonkin sheet is so much further ahead than Resto right now. Also, now that 4.0 is live and I'll be playing Resto in 25-man raids, I'll have a much better sense of what's going on.

Naithin · 10/12/10, 6:52 PM

Do we have any way of establishing the level 85 MP5 formula at this point?

It seems that whatever the formula is, it's no longer based on the old:
ManaRegen = (0.001+(Spirit * BASE_REGEN[LEVEL] * (Intelligence^0.5))*5

As solving that equation for BASE_REGEN[85] gives different values depending on the stat set in question, which really should not be happening given it's suppoed to be a constant.

Based on quick testing so far it seems that both Spi and Int are contributing (although Int to a far, far lesser degree) and that at the simplest, roughest level it seems that Spirit on gear turns into between 91-98% OOC MP5.

It seems there might also be a DR on it to throw another spanner in the works, which may make sense given that Spirit is being treated as a rating rather than a stat for the purposes of reforging.

• Hamlet · 10/12/10, 6:54 PM

Not sure you what you mean--as far as I know the regen coefficient is unchanged from 3.0 to 4.0 (and is in fact unchanged even at 85).