Regular rejuv doesn't heal all the dmg. We have 4 raid healers and most pick a group. Heal that group, and help out when you have spare GCDs. I certainly don't feel like I need rejuvs on 16+ people. 10 seems perfectly fine.

Because the frequency of the RR ticks more closely matches the frequency of the raid damage pulses - plus the minor bonuses of quickly healing up any baddies who stand on each other for blood bolts, and ticking faster on the tank.

We run with two druids; I usually have Revitalize and the other doesn't, so I focus on working through group 1 melee through to group 3. He focuses on group 5 healers down to group 3. As the fight progresses and more and more vampires are self-healing themselves, we can afford to mostly ignore those with the buff, skipping over them to Rejuv the unbitten players.


If you have two druids without RR, you're covering the raid almost exactly, half each, with steady healing. Without RR, we would be covering 18 each and overlapping on almost half the raid, and the ticks would come in more slowly.

So, say both druids have a Rejuv that ticks for 3000, and with RR on, the ticks are exactly 2 seconds (I know 3000 is incorrect, but I'm using round figures to aid my math-challenged brain):

RR: Half the raid each, no overlap, everyone in the raid is receiving 1500hps in HoT ticks.

Without RR: 18 people each; 7 unique targets each plus 11 overlapping in the middle. 1000hps on 14 people, 2000hps on 11 people in the middle of the raid.

Wouldn't it be better to cover half each, have those ticks topping people up faster, and a steady 1500hps on each person, rather than covering more people but with slower-ticking hots that mean lower hps on some and higher on others, with overlap in the middle that will probably end up as overhealing?

Obviously this is conjecture, not solid math, and I do apologise for that.. but I think people are too quick to dismiss RR in aura fights because "you'll hit fewer targets". Certainly if I was running alone and not with another druid, I would drop RR to be able to cover more people - but if we have two, why not take advantage of Rejuv tick frequency that lines up nicely with the damage tick frequency, helps to top people up faster, and doesn't have any wasted overlap?


Perhaps I'm way off base. I'm very interested to hear reasoning for/against.

That isn't an accurate representation of what happens though. It's much more likely to be:

RR: Half the raid each, no overlap, everyone in the raid is receiving 1500hps in HoT ticks.

Without RR: Half the raid each, no overlap, giving 1000 HPS to all, while having many more GCDs available for WGs and to Swiftmend or otherwise top up anyone who takes additional incidental damage.

I don't think either way is 'wrong' really. A RJ plus other healing from WGs, from VE, or whatever, is enough to keep up with the Aura.

I don't think either way is wrong, either. Different people's experiences will vary a great deal according to how many healers you take, the group make up, the assignments, passive healing available, general performance of the raid and how much damage they avoid or don't avoid, etc.

Perhaps in some raid groups there's no need for steady 1500hps from Rejuv - 1000hps on 12 people each + other raid healing + passive healing is perfectly adequate; perhaps 1500hps then is a waste. In earlier tries when people are still getting the hang of things, maybe they're taking more damage - maybe you need more GCDs free for Swiftmends or other spot healing, maybe the tank is a bit undergeared and you need to lend a bit more to him for now, maybe the melee are slow on fires and you need to toss them WGs a fair bit. Conversely, maybe raid damage is a bit steadier, but you run with fewer raid healers and more of the work is falling on your shoulders - so that 1500hps across the raid (with little room for spot healing in early stages) might be the way to go.

Insert the usual disclaimers about not playing in a vacuum, your mileage may vary, etc.


I just think that people are often too quick to say that RR is bad for fights where everyone in the raid is taking damage, because logically for these types of fights you should try to cover as many people as you can. I think RR does very well on this encounter and shouldn't be written off by default.

Not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but the 4-piece rejuvenations seem to gain benefit from all 6 ticks instead of just 4 when swiftmended. If this is already known, sorry for being dumb.

Don't recall anything about this. You're saying a Swiftmend off of a procced Rejuv will be 1.5 times larger than normal?

I can confirm that - ~15-16k Swiftmends from the 4pc Rejuv's unbuffed, ~11k from a regular Rejuv unbuffed.

Mmo champ found this data mining, seems to be an expected trinket in 3.3.5.

"Eyes of Twilight - Each time your direct healing spells heal a target you cause the target of your heal to heal themselves and friends within 10 yards for 356 each sec for 6 sec. (Twilight Renewal)"

Ummm. Here paladins, aoe heal for us?

Trauma with a 100% proc chance and a better heal? The wording almost makes it sound like there won't be an icd. Can't see this being great for us. A little worrying if it works as I'm thinking.

There's no way this is a 100% proc without an ICD. It's absurdly overpowered.
Nice to see the dreaded "direct heal" keyword creep its way back into the game, too.

It will be a use effect considering there is no additional spell for the proc trigger like there is for the other 3 trinkets and all other similar effects (rep rings for example). It also makes much more sense that way when you read the tooltip.

H Trauma's in the ballpark now, esp. in really raid-heavy situations. I'd still wear Val pretty much everywhere if I had it.