This might be stupid on my behalf, but with

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isnt the top box ment to be intellect across the top and spirit down the side?

The post is correct as it stands. Each table shows how much mana regen you gain from one point of either Intellect or Spirit. Mana Regen is proportional to your spirit Spirit times the square root of your Intellect, so the more Intellect you have, the more regen Spirit provides and vice versa. In order for Spirit to provide more Regen than Intellect per point, you would have to have a ridiculous amount of Intellect and very little Spirit.

It's been awhile since I visited this forum, and I've just read through everything I missed. As per the t9 vs t10 debate there seems to be too much optimism, and some flawed logic used in its defense. The key flaw, in my opinion, is how everyone is getting all excited over the effective healing numbers.

The proc is a smart heal and will target the lowest hp person. Naturally it will have a high effective healing %, but you all seem to be assuming that person WOULDN'T OTHERWISE get a rejuv. I always prioritize the lowest hp people as well. If both me and the proc prioritize the lowest hp person, it seems to me unavoidable that at times, I would instantly overwrite the proc, thereby wasting it. Or at least be about to cast rejuv, and then have to switch targets. If I overwrite even just 1 in 10, thats a 10% reduction in effectiveness.

A lot of fights I can easily keep everyone who needs a rejuv, rejuv'd, making anyone the proc goes to, overheals. As in say just tanks, or the melee group. That also clearly happens in 10 man. I grant that you can use RR and try and leave 1 person without a rejuv.. but I don't think you can argue that in these cases it dramatically reduces its effectiveness. (even if you leave 1 person not rejuv'd.. they can get the proc, and then you can get a 2nd proc before a rejuv falls off, and it has nowhere to go.

The fact is, in t10's BEST CASE SCENARIO its barely, if any better then t9, in a strictly theoretical numbers sense. In practice, and the majority of fights, T9's CONTROLLABLE bonus>T10's random potentially useless bonus.

So, imo 245 t9>251 t10, and 258>264. I will eventually switch when i have 1-2 pieces of 277, as long as I we don't see new better tier on the ptr coming up by that time... Even in the cases where theoretically t10 wins, (pretty much only aura fights on 25 man it seems to me) It seems in practice, the small reasons I've stated would be enough to bridge the gap. Some would and have argued that the crits go into overheals too, but guess what, I don't gear around encounters where the entire raids stays at 90%+ hp. As healers I believe its our responsibility to gear around worst case scenarios.

I still have my 258 4pc t9, and have haste/crit in most other sockets. (I was going to switch trauma for a good haste/crit weapon but its just too good now I will be the last to say the decision to go to t10 is wrong, as these are relatively minor differences, based on healing style. But a couple words for those who decide to stick with t9 (if you only do 10's I would certainly stick with t9)

Losing all that spirit for crit is a very noticeable loss of regen. It hasn't been a problem for me at all, but you need to get used to watching your mana much more carefully, and make sure you have an idol of awakening to switch to if needed. Use your innervate at 60% mana, and then off cd. Make sure you have mana pots, or better yet, Crazy alchemist pots. (imo Alchemy is the best druid raiding prof) Also, I have a macro that whispers another druid, boomkin or feral and asks for an innervate. I don't use it often, but imo not using a good raid buff like an innervate is a waste. IF he innervates me, and then for instance another healer dies, gets brezed and needs that innervate, then I'll give him mine when its up and just switch to the Idol of Awakening. With this setup, the 2 solaces and or the frost badge trinket will be bis for the regen.

Also if you raid 25's, but your guild can't kill H anub, then yes I would get t10 as the tokens are much easier to get and 245 t9<264 t10.

I always have difficulty with that sort of logic: "it will just be overheal anyway." People try to apply to pretty much every new thing--it was said about the 4T9, then the 4T10, people say it all the time about Trauma, it was the main classic argument from the people who used to resist blanket-hotting as a primary strategy. I find it very speculative though, and in the case of 4T10 especially, primarily refuted by the effective healing numbers themselves.

We have high overheal with everything we do. You can't reject things because they have high overheal--you have to ask how the effectiveness ratios of different things compare to each other. In the case of 4T10, there was good reason to believe that its overheal ratio would actually be lower than our manually-cast Rejuvs, or at worst equal, and I think experience has borne that out.

Sort of. The thing is, raid members' HP levels jump up and down rapidly all the time whenever anything interesting is going on. And the smart-targeting of the proc has no latency or reaction time in picking the lowest HP target, where as the human player does. So it will pick injured targets for marginally more effective first ticks more successfully than we will. In situations of true blanketing, where damage is coming in mostly randomly, and target selection is mostly based on picking low HP targets as you see them, the proc will outperform manually cast Rejuvs. In situations where debuffs or other factors are used to predictively HoT certain people, it won't.

I'm currently unable to convince myself that [Althor's Abacus] (non-heroic) is a great trinket. My main problem with it, is that it's not uniform healing, but rather a random burst heal every ~50 seconds. I mean if you are lucky, and a heavy damage phase times up with your 50 second proc cycle, it could be very beneficial. I just don't feel like I have a justified reason to replace my [Purified Lunar Dust]. I think that it's not just about raw HPS. Your healing also has to match the incoming damage, and the proc from Althor's Abacus won't do that. Maybe it would perform better in 25-mans, where "free gcd's" are valued higher.

Green I believe you're actually reaching the conclusion that most of us have and what makes the set bonus good. The hot is placed on some one you would have hotted, but no longer need to because of the proc. Essentially it is a free gcd whenever it occurs. The healing and effective healing are nice and are much easier to compare to something like t9, but the most telling number for the proc is the number of casts, because this can be translated into saved GCDs over the course of a fight. Even with smart healing I doubt that is a full 100% conversion, but certainly above even 50%

The proc will also work if you are stunned, silenced, feared, bone spiked or otherwise unable to actually cast. The proc does not stack debuffs on Sindragosa and, when it does proc, always targets the lowest HP person in range. Unless regen is a huge problem, those advantages seem to me to clearly outweigh some additional MP5.

I'd take a step back and ask whether the other trinket slot with a 245 Solace in it is really needed for the regen. The other option is to use both Althor's and Lunar Dust unless you're cutting mana really fine and absolutely need the regen of the Solace. I was using Althor's and Solace (245) until I bought the Lunar Dust, and I don't have an issue with mana in 10s or 25s as long as I'm watching my mana and using Innervate at appropriate intervals.

Is anyone else not using 4pc t10 for several fights in ICC? LK in particular? I find I would rather having the critting rejuvs then the jump, as keeping people blanketed doesnt seem to be an issue.

Anyone else finding that 4pc t10 is somewhat... lackluster? (except for constant aura damage fights)

Looking for thoughts and suggestions, thanks.

I would like to just point out that currently CANNOT overwrite the proc rejuv. This is the one concern I have with always using the 4pc T10 is that I sometimes waste mana trying to refresh a rejuv that is a proc.