Trauma + = Exciting. Probably won't get good logs until raid reset though... :(

edit: Checked my Sindragosa25 logs from earlier in the week: Had 1 Druid with Rapid Rejuv and 1 Druid without, so all 25 had a Rejuv most of the time. Both Druid's 4set was 6% of their total healing. If it was that significant already... It will be amazing next week?

It seems that Charti was right after all in this post: The Restoration Itemization Thread for 3.3.

Also I updated the first post with the T10 information (also included this new update). I figured it cannot proc on application as we have only 1 report of it happening 1 time, which easily can be a glitch or just human error.

[Archus, Greatstaff of Antonidas] -> 130 haste instead of crit
[Royal Scepter of Terenas II] -> 60~ haste instead of MP5

This brings our options for weapons up fairly significantly especially now that Trauma has been buffed/fixed too. The staff seems slightly odd considering the BQL one is then an inferior replica but either way considering the situation we had before it is a significant upgrade as a whole.

No matter how many times I read this I can't help but feel like this is a bad change for guilds that run 2 trees. If my understanding of the jump mechanic is correct, the priority flowchart goes as
[Player without your Rejuv]
vv
[player without any rejuv] <~ removed
vv
[player with health deficit]
vv
[player at full health]

So assume a raid where only 2 players have a health deficit, rogue at -7k, hunter at -6k. Tree #2 has a rejuv on the rogue.
They've essentially removed #2 from the code so yours will jump to the rogue instead of the hunter, and that's bad because both rejuvs are now more likely to be overhealing, and the hunter is more likely to die. Rejuv is very powerful now, especially hasted, and I find it rare that overlapping rejuvs is better than preferring an un-rejuv'd target with health deficit. If these assumptions are correct (and I don't have a 4pc to test, I use 4t9), then your effective 4t10 healing will go down, because you'll see more overlapping instead of blanket coverage.

Also worth mentioning that Blizzard made changes to 2 LK weapons that make them much more viable for us:

[Royal Scepter of Terenas II] = haste instead of mp5
[Archus, Greatstaff of Antonidas]: = haste instead of crit

(and the non-heroic counterparts)

That staff has a 3rd (red) socket which wowhead does not show for what it's worth when people are evaluating their weapon choices.

They didn't specify how it will work now; it's just as likely they added something to still make it prioritize people without a rejuv over those with another druid's rejuv. Testing will need to be done to see how it actually works now.

Overall, though, even IF it works as you fear I still don't see it as being much of an issue. The likelihood of someone without a rejuv having more health than someone with is pretty low, and if their health IS lower perhaps the two rejuvs aren't a bad idea.

This also means that the set bonus becomes useful on any aura fight where a 5x1 rotation is preferred and where it's highly likely that no member of the raid will be without a rejuv (assuming at least 2 Druids). Prior to the change the set bonus was all but useless on fights like BQL.

You say the spreadsheet assumes you gem pure haste. Technically if you're trying to get the most bang for your buck, you should be gemming sp/haste as you gain 1 sp gemming 2 reckless ametrines instead of gemming red/yellow.

Crit has almost no benefit once you pick up t10. Make sure that is weighted very low.

thanks for your input, gemming orange is an interesting point I missed. And yes, I am basically ignorning crit entirely. Weighting sp > mana > mp5 > crit.

Just one other thing, are socket bonuses that require blues worth gemming? Or is pure sp always the best way?

I wanted to drop in some updated numbers I just got done putting out. On our Sindragosa-25man kill (first for us!) [Trauma] put out some HUGE numbers for me. I realize that earlier in the week the hot-fix had not applied, and the strategy we use for this fight is highly conducive to generating big numbers with this weapon. We typically have the raid stacked on top of each other almost the entire fight. Either way, check these out;

Skada: Firepatch's Healing for Sindragosa, 22:48:05 - 22:58:04:
1. Rejuvenation 2476157 (57.6%)
2. Wild Growth 1285967 (29.9%)
3. Fountain of Light 405591 (9.4%)
4. Swiftmend 74567 (1.7%)
5. Regrowth 56022 (1.3%)

For the first time ever, Ive seen Fountain of Light reach above the 4% healing done mark for an encounter. 10% of healing done seems grossly overpowered considering other items out there [Althor's Abacus] for example. This can't possible be the level they leave it at. If it does remain at this level it easily makes up for the loss of stats and becomes an easy BIS for us. No other item could possibly be worth losing 10% (in peak conditions, granted) healing throughput except for maybe Valnyr.

Anyone else seeing these numbers?

1 Druid's Fountain of Light averaged 6.5% (of his total healing) on our LK attempts. I was pretty amazed by that, considering the damage is inconsistent/sometimes nonexistent.
After 1 for meta: +9 sp is a no-brainer, +7 sp is ~2 sp vs ~4 mp5, +5 sp is ~4 sp vs ~4 mp5. Most prefer to gem for max throughput and make larger/ temporary trade-offs (idol, trinket, innervate, etc).

Some more numbers about Trauma:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
[please click on "healing by spell"]

I only took this weapon for fun, almost like i took Abracadaver, but oh so shocking numbers!
Roughly 8% overall on every heavy raid healing encounters.
I'm sure many things have already been said in these forums about Fountain of Light in general, but the recent changes and discussions made me think it might be worth a post linking to a fresh world of logs.

'Rejuv would heal anyways on the next tick' and 'Lifesaving Healing Done' are somewhat mutually exclusive. If Rejuvenation alone is keeping people topped off, then yes, the proc is fairly useless, but most gearing choices are pretty moot at that point anyway. It's better to discount the encounters where Trauma is just more overhealing than to discount the encounters where it's adding effective healing, since those are the times where raid damage in has the potential to be higher than raid healing out and thus itemization choices can really matter.

Trauma was 6.8% of my EH on LK attempts last night. Not as nice as the druid that had his legendary mace proc do 17.6% of his EH, but still.

I realize they are contradictory and that is somewhat of the argument I'm trying to make. Is it really doing anything that our rejuv wouldn't do already.

Your argument of it's important when the dmg in is greater than the raid healing out is why I think it is showing so favorably on Sindragosa where you are frequently not healing. But how many fights in content is this the case. While most gearing is moot this mace has a somewhat significant impact in gearing due to our haste constraints and I am trying to maintain a minimal haste gemming and not speccing into CF. I question Trauma's true worth based on the fact it has 0 haste and gearing becomes quite a bit harder w/o the weapon haste.

Right now Royal Scepter seems like its going to win out for me unless I can be convinced on the worth of the Trauma heals.

I believe you have to be careful when evaluating Valynr "absorb" as part as a healer's effectively healing. Remember, the shields stack, and the person who puts up the first shield gains the benefit as far as I know in WoL.

We had 4 valynr's in our LK 25 kill. I got some crazy number like ~25% EH from the shield, while the 2 resto shamans were only around ~10%.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I also don't know if disc priests throwing out shields can mess up the valynr EH count either.

I think the heroic LK mace might be worth picking up as a replacement for Valynr, but other than that it looks like you should stick with it. Perhaps taking heroic trauma for fights such as sindragosa. You'll always want to keep Val need your side though for LK considering the Defile doesn't grow on absorbs.

I switched to T9 myself and used normal glyph of rejuv. Not sure how glyph of rapid rejuv would work out entirely, but really i only apply rejuv to get the 20% bonus on nourish spam so i'm not sure faster rejuvs would reall help out over the benefit of a slow constant rejuvs + nourish + 20% bonus.. ie you may ended up casting more rejuvs in a fight to keep your nourish bonus up at the expens of having more nourishes. i'll have to do some WOL data mining to see this in fact.

25 man i got only 29 stacks or so.. 10 man, i had a hard time being that i never ended up on the side where the portals spawned

Hmm, I wasn't aware that WoL had that issue with tracking Valynr shields. There were two other maces in our raid and it stands to reason that a resto druid would get a small shield on a target before a couple of holy priests often. All the same, even the two holy priests had a slightly larger chunk of their EH as shields than my trauma proc, but I suppose at least that could be easily seen as shield snipes the heal of a trauma proc.

I know that the glyph of rejuvenation doesn't do anything for this fight, i was curious if the glyph of rapid rejuv was worth it.

I just feel the opportunity for clipping your rejuvs is much higher and costing you more heals than using unglyphed (no rr) rejuv and spamming nourish on a fairly certain cycle (limited by your mobility and having to move to a portal so on and so forth)

Yes the RR glyph is worth it. A few people have pointed out that 1 cast of rejuv beats 1 cast of nourish. The only time this isn't true is if you are able to use a significant portion of a Nature's Grace proc on nourish. This would require next to no haste I think on gear though.

Assumeing you don't clip, the more rejuvs you are able to cast the better. It is our largest heal based on cast time. I'm not sure why someone would clip though. While we are going for the most heals possible, you shouldn't be sitting there waiting to cast rejuv exactly when it runs out. You should be casting a nourish. You will certainly lose .5-1 seconds of rejuv time. Not casting for half a second is much worse than makeing sure rejuv is up 100% of the time.



One thing that could screw this up is the rotation that is needed due to portals. If you are able to get only 2 rejuvs in between portals no matter if you have the glyph or not, then it doesn't seem worth it. I think I would have to clip rejuv to cast a second if I didn't have the glpyh though. With the glpyh I can cast 2 easily.

While not a huge reason, RR also benefits from lust while nourish most likely does not.

I think HT beats Nourish during lust, even without Naturalist.

3/3 CF costs 7 talent points. After 53 points in Resto, where can 7 more add 6-10% effective healing? Compare just the stats of 277 Trauma to 284 Royal Scepter: 29 Int, 55 Crit, 154 Sp*. Will that add 6-10% effective healing? And if it does, you should ask: Sometimes it might, most of the time it won't, considering we average 70-80% overheal. All we can do is compare raw healing, which is what all healing classes gear for.

*57 + 23 + 5 (socket bonuses guess) + 69 (assuming Scepter has 60 haste which is equal to 3 Runed over 3 20 haste gems you'd have to use w/ Trauma to stay haste capped) So, yes, the haste on Scepter is accounted for.

edit: WoL says Protection of the Ancient Kings was 40% of my healing on our LK attempts. 3 other Vals: Disc Priest had 4%, Shaman had 8%, Paladin had 21%. Definitely something weird in WoL's absorb tracking.

Outside of fights where 5x1 is the most optimal (which Trauma will be very good for naturally) Living Seed is not something to be ignored. On Arthas (10 man) I have tended to be more of the hybrid role supporting tanks and the raid equally as Priests are so superior for dealing with the Infest. My Nourish was around 16.3% and Living Seed was 5.5% so when you throw in 3 points on LS and 1 in Emp Touch that would be 4 talent points yielding 6%.

This is going to be one of those subjects where the encounter and the raid setup/role you use will factor in heavily but considering how far away the 284 Scepter is for pretty much everyone I doubt it is something you will really have to decide on.