Druid: Simple Questions/Simple Answers -- Now with FAQ!! - Page 3

Oktan · 04/06/10, 7:21 PM

Have you considered using Cryptmaker? The heroic version comes with a mountain of hit, and solves a lot of problems. Furthermore, it comes with 3 sockets and a ton of ArP. In addition, with heroic gear, you should be approaching crit cap, and thus agility becoming a lot less useful-- so, the strength is not a wasted stat at all. In fact, strength is still an excellent stat for cats. I'm not sure why more cats don't pick this up. Unless, its guild policy that they go to DPS warriors/DKs first.

Kauthier · 04/06/10, 8:12 PM

Maybe I'm blind but i haven't seen many posts on Feral macro's.

Can i macro maul to instant GCD abilities to increase my threat building? I tank with a DK usually and used to never having to hit rune strike :P

Rannasha · 04/07/10, 5:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kauthier

Maybe I'm blind but i haven't seen many posts on Feral macro's.

Can i macro maul to instant GCD abilities to increase my threat building? I tank with a DK usually and used to never having to hit rune strike :P

Yes, you can macro it just like you'd macro Rune Strike. However, you will lose the option to manage your rage in low-rage situations (they don't happen often, I grant you that). Where it doesn't matter if you burn all your RP on Rune Strike (correct me if I'm wrong, my knowledge of DK mechanics isn't that wonderful), there can be situations where you want to ensure you have rage for other abilities than Maul.

For this reason, I personally prefer not macroing Maul to my instant attacks. The Druid tanking rotation is not very complex, so adding another button to push every ~2 seconds isn't a big concern.

kalbear · 04/07/10, 5:02 PM

I've run this through in Rawr several times, and it insists that Option 1 is the best. It seems to place very, very little value on Hit/Expertise as stats. However, I have severe doubts. While hit/expertise is partially up to personal preference, having my Rake miss/be dodged for about 6 seconds while I watch helplessly as SR and Rip simultaneously fall off ties for first in the list of things that can induce me into a psychotic rage, right next to listening to Justin Bieber.

This is going to be a problem no matter what; if your SR and rip are about to fall off you're going to be hosed anyway, even if that rake hit.

I'd honestly recommend just trying it. If you're not that comfortable going below the cap, fix it yourself. But try it first; if you're 11/12 it's not like it's going to be costly to regem/gear for you. That's what I did, and I found myself pleasantly surprised by the results; Rawr and other simulators were right on the money.

eXcel905 · 04/07/10, 6:30 PM

Do you ever clip rip? Like under a certain timer after full extension etc. Thanks.

kalbear · 04/07/10, 6:42 PM

You should never clip rip; the only reasonable time to do so is when you could refresh a rip on a boss that you're not going to be hitting in the next 20 seconds and want as many DoTs to tick on them while you're not attacking.

Jone · 04/07/10, 9:39 PM

Originally Posted by kalbear

You should never clip rip; the only reasonable time to do so is when you could refresh a rip on a boss that you're not going to be hitting in the next 20 seconds and want as many DoTs to tick on them while you're not attacking.

Back in T8, Nightcrowler said that clipping rip did improve DPS in some simulations, but that since rip will usually not let you overwrite it, he set up his model using SR clipping only. Post here: FeralbyNight (Cat & Bear simulation tool)

I don't believe there's been much work on the DPS impact of clipping rip.

Fetkossa · 04/14/10, 10:52 AM

Is it worth putting 5 points in Feral Aggression if you always have a retribution paladin in the raid with 2/2 Vindication?

Bonemage · 04/14/10, 2:43 PM

Varies by encounter. BPC it is very valuable because the ret will not always be on your target, DBS not very valuable since the ret will always be on him. The main opportunity costs are you give up rage/energy saving talents, which if you are raid tanking rage is never an issue, but could be an issue if you are spending a significant amount of time in cat form while in your tanking spec.

To put a more numeric value on it from some testing done by others early in WotLK link

Test on Mexxena

Normal Value 19,547 - 26,828 Damage
Base Reduction of -411: 17169-24450
Talented Reduction 1/5: 16978-24259
Talented Reduction 2/5: 16787-24068
Talented Reduction 3/5: 16596-23877
Talented Reduction 4/5: 16405-23686
Talented Reduction 5/5: 16220-23501

Jurky24 · 04/17/10, 7:53 AM

Hi.
Just one simple question. I paly boomkin and with gear from icc 10/25 I got a lot of crit and haste. But when I am using Bonespike (more often then with Nibelung) sometimes happened to my SF that it doesn´t show dmg it dealed, not even show me that sf missed (I have 275 hit) .

Can be this problem with interface? I have friend, he si palying boomkin too. He said to me that this sometimes heppened to him too.

Thank you

Xoddam · 04/17/10, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jurky24

Hi.
Just one simple question. I paly boomkin and with gear from icc 10/25 I got a lot of crit and haste. But when I am using Bonespike (more often then with Nibelung) sometimes happened to my SF that it doesn´t show dmg it dealed, not even show me that sf missed (I have 275 hit) .

Can be this problem with interface? I have friend, he si palying boomkin too. He said to me that this sometimes heppened to him too.

Thank you

This problem is often because you have so many numbers ticking that the crit damage is actually stacked well above the targets head. I find the if i zoom in and aim the camera facing directly above the mob i can see all my crits.

My question is - @lvl 80 - while under the effect of bloodlust and potion of speed - how much haste do you need to make a nature graced Starfire only 1 second cast?

• Hamlet · 04/17/10, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Xoddam

My question is - @lvl 80 - while under the effect of bloodlust and potion of speed - how much haste do you need to make a nature graced Starfire only 1 second cast?

Don't have a spreadsheet handy, but should be:

(3/(1.3*1.2*1.03*1.03*1.05) - 1)*3279 = 2381 haste, so 1881 before the potion, or 1541 before potion+Hyperspeeds. I wouldn't worry about it.

Imbrium · 04/18/10, 12:19 AM

Is it always advisable to use a trinket with Berserk and then let it sit on cooldown for a minute until Berserk is off cooldown (assuming a 2 min cooldown trinket)? I assume this is going to be dependent on the fight length and the trinket in question, so is there any tool that can model this type of thing? If not, does anyone know the most accurate way to calculate which option is optimal?

Bonemage · 04/18/10, 2:13 AM

Originally Posted by Imbrium

Is it always advisable to use a trinket with Berserk and then let it sit on cooldown for a minute until Berserk is off cooldown (assuming a 2 min cooldown trinket)? I assume this is going to be dependent on the fight length and the trinket in question, so is there any tool that can model this type of thing? If not, does anyone know the most accurate way to calculate which option is optimal?

A time to die monitor and a trinket monitor.

Most fights you get 2 berserks, most trinkets have a 2 min or less cooldown, which usually leads to being able to delay berserk to stack. If time for the boss to live - 20 > trinket cooldown and you will not get another berserk you should hold off on berserk to combine it with the trinket. However if the trinket is a haste boost (can't think of any, but my memory is not exhaustive) you shouldn't bother waiting since haste does not stack with berserk. If berserk is off cooldown and you will have a haste trinket come off cooldown before the boss dies you should pop berserk asap and then pop the trinket once berserk is over. Reason being haste's main benefit is a higher chance of OoC procs which are devalued by bersek. This is also why your haste pot should be popped when not berserking, ideally with bloodlust.

Equalibrium · 04/22/10, 11:48 AM

With regards to resto, what is the value of T10 2pc and 4pc set bonuses? More specifically, what is the value if it means I'll be missing the haste cap? Since so many T10 are sitting with crit instead of haste, I'll take a huge hit to my haste that will keep me from being capped if I push for getting 4T10. This problem is further compounded by the fact that I only do 10man raiding, and 25m pugs generally can't get past Saurfang. I wouldn't be breaking any T9 set bonuses regardless.

Anyone have any tips, or maybe an "effective healing value" of 4t10?