Focus just went out the window.


Glyph of Focus: Now increases the damage done by Starfall by 10%, down from 20%.

I'll have to check, but it probably kills Focus for single-target.

Spreadsheet is up. I think we can pretty safely call S/SF/MF the best Glyph setup for ordinary situations. There's not really even much of a potential DPS gain to be found in Glyph of IS. We'll still have the discussion about DoT refreshing schemes, but at the moment I think the "one DoT after each Eclipse" plan looks strongest.

e: I forgot to change the crit cap to account for non-Moonfire rotations, but that's probably not too urgent since it looks like non-Moonfire rotations aren't going to come up anymore.

I did finally manage to get the Robot simulator to show me the results I was looking for and I'm pretty impressed with them so far.

Glyphs: Starfall, Starfire, Moonfire
Moonfire: Target does not have Moonfire DoT and you do not have Solar Eclipse Buff
Insect Swarm: Target does not have Insect Swarm DoT and you do not have Lunar Eclipse buff and Solar Eclipse is ready.

Result: 10893.7 DPS +/- 26.6
74.9% uptime of Moonfire (roughly 1 application per rotation)
40.2% uptime of Insect Swarm (applied immediately after Lunar Eclipse ends).

Note: the Beta simulator still does not correctly value the 4t10 bonus OR Nibelung. Nibelung's damage should be roughly twice what it is (to reflect the 2% proc rate vs. a 1% proc rate). The 4t10 bonus is off by easily 4% of the damage done, which is a difference of ~425 dps if my math is correct.

That's the best I could come up with. I originally thought that it'd be better to drop IS from the rotation, but it turns out that the overall damage you gain while in Solar Eclipse is enough to make it worth casting before the Eclipse begins (but not worth refreshing during Eclipse after it falls off). Something I found interesting though... Using this rotation that I've mapped out, I'm starting to see Wrath and Starfire fight for the most damage done in these simulations where previously Starfire has always beaten out Wrath and usually by a fairly consistent margin.

Edit to add: Starfall/Moonfire/Insect Swarm is still giving me higher numbers (about 40 DPS) if you set them up so they do not refresh during the opposite Eclipse (Not Lunar for IS, Not Solar for MF). Still something to consider, at least...

I've updated the Team Robot beta simulator with the new Starfall glyph. 4T10 and the nibelung proc rate should be correct on the beta site now too.

Wanted to report my experiences with Team Robot and to compare to aceofsween's results. A bit of academic rigor trying to reproduce results, a little bit rumination.

Settings:
420 second fight, 1000 runs, 120 latency, 1500ms missile travel time, 0ms queue lag, 50ms GCD lag. intervals.

The above is rotation "1." I tested the above rotation against:
2. Always refresh IS (strict 3% hit debuff duty), but MF under the same tactics 1.
3. Always refresh both DoTs (MF priority).
4. Not using IS at all, MF under the same tactics as 1.
5. Not using IS at all, always refresh MF.
6. Use of IS as in 1., Always refresh MF.

If you look at my armory profile, you can see I use normal Frozen Bonespike/Scourgelord's baton (as I do in practice), and Idol of Lunar Fury as the idol of Lunar Eclipse is the last piece of emblem gear I want to get (and I haven't gotten that many emblems). I would like to use the normal Nibelung I own, but I would have to re-gem for some hit in my current gear to use it, and the fights where the staff is not ideal make this undesirable. I initially ran tests for rotations 1 through 4 with my current setup, and also with Nibelung (still Idol of Lunar Fury though) but decided not to post them when I discovered at some point in the middle of running everything I got set to "randomize fight duration" which would have made my results a bit inaccurate. Also, I figure parses using Idol of Lunar Fury aren't relevant enough to this community to spend the time re-running the 8 cases. I will report in general terms that rotation 1 was the best at 9975dps (w/ Nibelung), rotations 3 and 4 were about 100 dps behind, and rotation 2 was another 25 dps behind with error ranges of about 35dps.

Now for some hard numbers!

When using Nibelung and IoLE, I get:

Rotation 1, IoLE, Nibelung: 10019.7 +-25.7dps
Rotation 2, IoLE, Nibelung: 9918.6 +-24.8dps
Rotation 3, IoLE, Nibelung: 9911 +-24.9dps
Rotation 4, IoLE, Nibelung: 9920.5 +-25.3dps
Rotation 5, IoLE, Nibelung: 9932.5 +-25.8dps
Rotation 6, IoLE, Nibelung: 10018.5 +-25.6dps

Looking at my results, the judicious use of IS as described by aceofsween is best practice for single target if insect swarm is unglyphed. The best way to use moonfire is unclear to me. It was mentioned before, either in this thread or in the old thread, that a moonfire in the middle of a solar eclipse still has a pretty good chance of getting fully extended; maybe that has something to do with it. I'd test for that case specifically, but I can't think of a good way to implement it (going over to Team Robot thread to ask). Something notable is that in rotation 1, insect swarm uptime was ~33%; strictly keeping the 3% hit debuff up per rotation 2 comes at a 100dps loss (ignoring error). That makes the tradeoff about 2% more misses on the tank for a 1% personal dps loss.

Phylactery spellpower values on 3.3.3 PTR are 1073 and 1206. It seems that the ICD is 100s though, not 90s.

Also, my current mean values of the spellpower proc used a 4s proc time, which is based on 5/6 DoT ticks per second at 30% (i.e. both DoT's up full-time). We're going to have lower DoT uptimes in 3.3.3; I'll use a 6s proc time for now (the effect of this is tiny anyway).

New mean spellpower values:
1073*20/106 = 202.5
1206*20/106 = 227.5

Prior estimated values were 195 and 220. So the buff is actually quite small (since we probably had the ICD wrong this whole time). I'll try to run a spreadsheet comparison soon to see how it compares to Reign/DFO when under/over the crit cap (or someone else can).

Right, the spellpower was buffed. But since the ICD is actually higher than we'd thought it was, the two effects mostly cancel out.

That seems completely counterproductive. Wasn't the idea of buffing Phylactery because it was under budget (as in it's average Spellpower came out worse than similar trinkets... as in DFO)?

Also conghaile, I still believe that there is a point toward the end of a Solar Eclipse where refreshing Moonfire might be the better option, but the difference is pretty minor. Plus, you also run the chance of having to reapply it before you even proc Lunar eclipses due to the RNG factor. It's more of a trade off than anything else. It'll still result in roughly similar uptimes of Moonfire, so the overall effect is more or less the same.

Finally, Arawethion, are you including Languish in those calculations? I'm fairly certain I remember reading reports about these ticks proccing Phylactery as well. With Languish, you have roughly 1.3 ticks per second, although because Languish can be refreshed before it ticks, I'd say it's closer to 1.25 ticks per second. I'll be honest, I'm not sure how to interpret your "5/6 DoT ticks per second" number.

Edit:
With the Simulator update, I wanted to also give a quick update on my rotation numbers:

Rotation 1: 11634.0 DPS +/- 31.0

Glyphs: Starfall, Starfire, Insect Swarm
Moonfire: Target does not have Moonfire, you do not have Solar Eclipse
Insect Swarm: Target does not have Insect Swarm, you do not have Lunar Eclipse

Rotation 2: 11637.6 DPS +/- 31.4

Glyphs: Starfall, Starfire, Moonfire
Moonfire: Target does not have Moonfire, you do not have Solar Eclipse
Insect Swarm: Target does not have Insect Swarm, you do not have Lunar Eclipse, and Solar Eclipse is ready

As you can see, the simulator is pretty up in the air for both rotations. Both are easily within the margin of error and so close that it is almost impossible to determine which one is truly better. The difference between the two essentially comes down to how often you apply Insect Swarm. The first rotation has about a 75% uptime of Insect Swarm while the 2nd rotation has about a 40% uptime.

My guess is that the ICD was always 100s and nobody ever tested it properly, since we'd all assumed it was 90 beforehand, and the difference isn't noticeable at a glance.

When I did trinkets last patch, I assumed constant DoT refreshing. So each second, you have half an IS tick and 1/3 of a MF tick, so 5/6 DoT ticks total. 1/(5/6 * 30%) = 4, whch is where I got the 4s mean proc time from. The 6s above I totally pulled out of my hat since we don't know get what actual DoT uptimes will look like yet in 3.3.3.

For Languish, I don't have a moonkin with 4T10 that I can test it with myself... so I'm not 100% certain that I did it correctly in the simulator. Here were my assumptions:

- One application of Languish ticks twice at a 2 second interval.
- When Languish is applied, any damage from an existing Languish that has not ticked yet, gets averaged over the 2 ticks of the newly applied Languish.
- When Languish is applied, it starts the 4-second timer again, e.g. if Languish is applied at time 2.00, it will then tick at time 4.00 and 6.00.

Note that because of the 3rd assumption, if you were to get a crit from either starfire or wrath more often than once every 2 seconds, Languish would actually never do damage, because the timer would keep getting reset.

Is that 3rd assumption correct? That assumption is why the number of ticks seems low. If you look at the combat log and filter to "tier ten four piece", you'll see a whole bunch of "dot applied", "dot applied"... then a massive tick. On a hot crit streak, I've seen the simulator put out 5.5k or larger Languish ticks.