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Old 05/09/10, 11:44 AM   #256
Nathariel
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Night Elf Druid
 
Blackrock
Another thing I noticed from the new spells on MMO is that the new version of Faerie Fire, normal and feral, has the same wording as Sunder Armor now. 3 stacks for 3-4% each.

Faerie Fire
Sunder Armor
Faerie Fire (Feral)

Faerie Fire (Feral)
30 yd range
6 sec cooldown
Instant cast
Requires Dire Bear Form, Bear Form, Cat Form
Decrease the armor of the target by 3 to 4% for 5 min.
While affected, the target cannot stealth or turn invisible.
Stacks up to 3 times. Deals AP*0.15+1 damage and
additional threat when used in Bear Form or Dire Bear Form.

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Old 05/10/10, 10:15 AM   #257
Erdluf
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Night Elf Druid
 
Echo Isles
There is a screenshot of a balance talent tab at Relevart's.

Balance masteries for the character show as 8% spell damage, 8% haste, and 12% Eclipse. That is with a 60/0/16 build. I have no idea of his gear (all leather? does leather matter yet?).

It also shows the new Eclipse meter. As anticipated it resembles an EotS capture meter. There is some text discussing the new Eclipse, but to me it looks as if it may be speculative (as if the author hasn't actually used the new mechanism).

The talent tree seems to match the one at MMO (although MMO is missing the prerequisite arrows for OF and IMkF).

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Old 05/10/10, 11:21 AM   #258
mLs
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Tauren Druid
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by Erdluf View Post
I have no idea of his gear (all leather? does leather matter yet?).
No gear, still alpha and stuff nyi, oh and:

Mastery Bonuses per Talent Point in Balance:

0.157 Spell Damage %
0.157 Spell Haste %
0.236 Eclipse

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Old 05/10/10, 5:33 PM   #259
iamrelevart
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Dragonblight
Originally Posted by Erdluf View Post
There is a screenshot of a balance talent tab at Relevart's.

Balance masteries for the character show as 8% spell damage, 8% haste, and 12% Eclipse. That is with a 60/0/16 build. I have no idea of his gear (all leather? does leather matter yet?).

It also shows the new Eclipse meter. As anticipated it resembles an EotS capture meter. There is some text discussing the new Eclipse, but to me it looks as if it may be speculative (as if the author hasn't actually used the new mechanism).

The talent tree seems to match the one at MMO (although MMO is missing the prerequisite arrows for OF and IMkF).
I do not have any experience with the mechanic. I am simply reading the dataminded information about masteries which states the mechanic only activates when 100 Solar or Lunar power is achieved, indicating that it is both proc based and binary. If I had real alpha face time, I'd be bound by the NDA. As it is, I'm free to foam at the mouth over the slightest things I read.

I would definitely advise that anything read at my blog be taken with a grain of salt as it has almost no verifiable authenticity outside of mmo.

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Old 05/11/10, 2:15 AM   #260
cuddlekin
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Worgen Druid
 
Scilla
New Revitalize

Revitalize Maths
Will be updating it, especially since I can see someone has looked at the new mana costs.
And before you say it, yes I know these are numbers based on Wrath but everything that will change come Cata can be easily edited.

Last edited by cuddlekin : 05/13/10 at 4:19 AM.

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Old 05/11/10, 1:15 PM   #261
Latas
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Uther
Does anyone know if the eclipse number in the mastery is supposed to be the % the buff is increased by or how much power starfire and wrath give you with each cast?

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Old 05/11/10, 1:36 PM   #262
iamrelevart
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Night Elf Druid
 
Dragonblight
Originally Posted by Latas View Post
Does anyone know if the eclipse number in the mastery is supposed to be the % the buff is increased by or how much power starfire and wrath give you with each cast?
I have not heard or seen anything about what that number indicates. I would find it hard to believe that Wrath and Starfire would generate the same level of power. This would allow Wrath to generate around twice the power per second of Starfire, which would clearly favor one type of Eclipse and swinging the bar towards one extreme only. I realize this isn't the place to speculate on the mechanic, but it seems to me that the number would be logical if looked at as the multiplier that the Eclipse proc will provide to the affected spells damage.

As of now, I don't think we know what the number represents, making everything speculative at best.

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Old 05/11/10, 2:19 PM   #263
 Adoriele
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Originally Posted by Latas View Post
Does anyone know if the eclipse number in the mastery is supposed to be the % the buff is increased by or how much power starfire and wrath give you with each cast?
I believe the preview stated that the mastery (both the stat and the bonus given by talents in the Balance tree) affected the damage increase given by Eclipse. So it doesn't make sense to look at it as a straight percentage necessarily, as there's at least another component to the equation, but it may be, say, the percentage increase provided by Eclipse at 0 Mastery Rating, or something similar (the numbers listed above are within rounding error for a 12% buff at 51 points).

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Old 05/11/10, 3:08 PM   #264
ttyl
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Night Elf Druid
 
Destromath
Mastery increases the damage done by your Wrath and Starfire when you gain Eclipse: http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/77492/m...nce-masteries/

Originally Posted by iamrelevart View Post
I have not heard or seen anything about what that number indicates.
EDIT: Now I'm confused... The screenshot on your blog explains it in the tooltip? What number are you guys talking about?

Last edited by ttyl : 05/11/10 at 3:19 PM.

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Old 05/12/10, 5:55 AM   #265
Ektoplasme
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The last mastery bonus (so 12% in the screenshot) represents the added damage in an eclipse phase.

For now we know that an eclipse will increase wrath or starfire damage by x %. We don't know x yet. Let's say x is 40%. Then with 0 mastery you do 40% more damage during an eclipse. With enough mastery to reach the 12% we see in the screenshot, you now do 40+12=52% more damage during an eclipse.

As it was said during the preview, the third mastery bonus will increase the effectiveness of the eclipses.

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Old 05/12/10, 7:07 PM   #266
iamrelevart
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Night Elf Druid
 
Dragonblight
Originally Posted by Ektoplasme View Post
The last mastery bonus (so 12% in the screenshot) represents the added damage in an eclipse phase.

For now we know that an eclipse will increase wrath or starfire damage by x %. We don't know x yet. Let's say x is 40%. Then with 0 mastery you do 40% more damage during an eclipse. With enough mastery to reach the 12% we see in the screenshot, you now do 40+12=52% more damage during an eclipse.

As it was said during the preview, the third mastery bonus will increase the effectiveness of the eclipses.
I find two flaws with this. First, the other two masteries contained a percent sign. This did not. Secondly, you don't know that it will be additive. It could very well be multiplicative (as this would offer more controlled scaling).

Perhaps I phrased it poorly. We know WHAT that mastery does. We don't know how it does it. At least not with any certainty.

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Old 05/18/10, 8:00 PM   #267
Hinalover
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Kil'Jaeden
I do have one question about EJ's stance on unannounced changes in the Alpha? I've come across Feral changes that took place in the Alpha release that was released yesterday, and I was not sure if I was allowed to post those changes or not.

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Old 05/19/10, 4:18 AM   #268
Hoofhearted
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Night Elf Druid
 
Silvermoon (EU)
You're not.

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Old 05/19/10, 4:23 AM   #269
Vaccine
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Night Elf Druid
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
Wait, are we not allowed to post stuff about Alpha? Not seen an announcement anywhere.


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Old 05/19/10, 12:17 PM   #270
 Adoriele
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Originally Posted by Vaccine View Post
Wait, are we not allowed to post stuff about Alpha? Not seen an announcement anywhere.
The official line is that you're only allowed to talk about things that have been widely published. Since MMOChamp got asked to take down everything, I assume there won't be much else to talk about until Beta opens up and/or the NDA is lifted.

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