quick question (got some problem in accessing some web pages from my office ): what will be available as features of FS by tomorrow?

Thanks

Okay, I stepped through the rotations for the Termination sequence with seperating the KSs by 6s like some folks have suggested. I did it two ways again, one trying to use focus up the best with not maintaining 100% ISS uptime, and the other maintaining 100% uptime. The 60s sequence for each was done using the same assumptions from the previous sequences with back to back KSs. Since they take up a lot of room, I am not copying the full sequences into this reply.

Between these two sequences, it is definitely beneficial to maintain the ISS buff for the following reasons:

1) You always have a 1.5s SS cast time, resulting in a tight rotation with no gaps. Without maintaining ISS, some SS casts were 1.67s resulting in gaps of up to 0.33s to wait to cast a KS/CS and having to push back KS/CS casts by the same amount in other situations.

2) You autoshot is always fully hasted resulting in more autoshots and benefits from it like WQ and pet focus

3) Because of the tighter rotation, you are able to cast 3 extra SSs at the cost of only 1 AS.

So maintaining the ISS buff during the Termination phase results in more DPS for the delayed KS sequence.

Now comparing the back to back KS sequence to the delayed KS sequence (both with maintaining the ISS buff), I would have to say that the back to back sequence wins for the following reasons:

1) You gain 2 KS and a 1.3 SS versus losing 4 ArS. The 2 KSs every 11s versus 2 KSs every 12 adds up. It it true though that the next shot in the delayed rotation was going to be a KS while the back to back was going to have an ArS. So the difference after 61s in is 1 KS and 1.3 SS versus 3 ArS, which is a little more even.

2) You don't need points in Termination for the back to back case, but you do for the delayed KS case. However, factoring in focus savings when replacing ArS casts with MMM procs and RiFs procs, the delayed KS case probably does not need Termination either.

3) The back to back KS case has a repeatable rotation when not under dynamic haste effects and is easily modifiable into a new repeatable rotation under dynamic haste effects. The delayed KS rotation is not repeatable. It requires a lot more monitoring (or the use of an aid like Faceshooter) to perform well.

Thus, my belief is that the back-to-back KS sequence while maintaining ISS is the best method over the Termination phase.

I still need to look at CS glyph versus non-CS glyph rotations.

Unfortunately, the CS Glyph now only reduces the c/d by 1 second (down from 2? as i recall?) instead of 2 which would make the "rotation" perfect.

And, depending on damage coefficients on ArS and SS, and the impact of their respective glyphs (6% damage and 10%) will be very important in determining wihch glyph one would replace with CS glyph if we were to - I apologize for not having done any math on the matter - but its not even assured to be a damage increase.


I think that instead of having a bread and butter roto, the "new" raiding MM hunter should concentrate more on having ISS up as much as possible.

In regards to trap launcher w/ explosive vs immolation trap (glyphed), there should be a space for it, as well as TL only using 25 focus (glyphed)

Also, out of ignorance, where is a place for MS? (not sure how it works with cooldowns any more)

But overall, i think it may be a good idea to modify to always (if not mostly) cast two SS's together, possibly making it so hunters will be stringing together ArS, CS and possibly TL, MMM's AimS, or Multi? (or any other shot) in 3's or 2's, requiring a two steady roto to get back up to ~60-70

Im not at all standing by my ruminations as if they are 100% true, however the impact of ISS is too much to ignore.. if anything, our only 'rotation' should be keeping SS always together..

Something like
SrS, CS, ArS, SS, SS, ArS (Another Shot/Trap Launcher), SS, SS -->

I know that's a terrible list but it's off the top of the head, with the crit where it is at this patch release, we wont be seeing hunters lacking on focus as of right now.

Nope, it has been always 1 second.

I can add a BW reminder frame or something as a module later, but it doesn´t really belong into the rotation itself. But you´re right, I forgot accounting for the 50% focus discount when under the effect of TBW. I´ll fix that in the next version.

Guys, thanks for all those KS glyph calculations.
However, if I haven't failed at reading, nobody of you has mentioned the travel time of KS. It means, that the glyph is not triggered when you cast KS but after the KS landed - which is how it should be given the fact that the glyph effect is triggered based on target health (death). As a result, you cant fire back to back KS anyway. When standing 30-40 yards from the boss, it always procced approximately 1.5 seconds after the cast, so I squeezed Chimera/Arcane/Aimed proc in and then fired the "glyph" kill shot.

Hasn't this flawed your calculations a bit?

The highlighted line in the algorithm should be corrected to:

if focus over or at 65 (modified by Efficiency and Glyph of Kill Command)

This is because KC costs 40 focus by default instead of 50 like the other abilities, and the glyph reduces the cost by 3 focus.

Regarding CS delaying or not. AS may be better dpfc (at 80) than CS, but CS is better dps, so its only an increase in dps to delay CS if you loose more damage from doing a SS instead of an AS than you gain from CS over AS. This is very RAP dependant and cannot be tested on dummies since CS scales with 23% RAP and AS only scales with 4.2% RAP.

Can I ask why you don't consider serpent sting in your first condition:
"if HM is not on target or running out in less than a set time and there´s no MfD on target and focus/cooldowns/target heath don´t allow for KS, ES or BA"

There is discussion of even delaying explosive shot for the sake of applying serpent sting, and so I thought it would be an argument in the above condition.

Considering some trinkets do not proc instantly, wouldn't it be worthwhile to do something like HM SerS SS SS RF CS Readiness CS AS AS ... as an opening?

How about Focus Fire in BM?
Is this talent useless?