Hunter Simple Questions / Simple Answers: Cataclysm Edition

• Narcosleepy · 12/06/10, 11:28 AM

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R00k!3 · 12/09/10, 6:47 PM

What do you guys use Camouflage for?

I was thinking about possible situations where I might use it, however so far the only thing that it seems to be great for are gathering quests.

Any ideas?

ceelion22 · 12/09/10, 8:23 PM

Originally Posted by R00k!3

What do you guys use Camouflage for?

I was thinking about possible situations where I might use it, however so far the only thing that it seems to be great for are gathering quests.

Any ideas?

pre-pull trapping. I think it'll be more accurate than the launcher for pulls with larger groups.

R00k!3 · 12/09/10, 11:57 PM

Won't the mobs detect you when you come to close or am I missing something? I got uncovered by several Level 85 mobs by now.

homer115 · 12/10/10, 3:51 AM

Should i be spamming cobra shot? it hits harder then steady shot. im survival spec. or should i be using cobra shot when i need the 6 extra seconds to SrS? does CoS increase the serpent sting damage even if its like 19 seconds left?

Nyth_ · 12/10/10, 4:04 AM

Originally Posted by R00k!3

What do you guys use Camouflage for?

I was thinking about possible situations where I might use it, however so far the only thing that it seems to be great for are gathering quests.

Any ideas?

There are a couple of uses for it. It's not a huge skill tho.

Limiting to PvE there are 2 solid uses for it, both working of the fact you reduce aggro radius enormously:

1. Positioning. You can get around easy, get in a good position. This can be nice for some boss fights, or when you need to trap some trash.

2. Questing. Go do the dailies at Tol Barad for example, you can use camouflage to just run past most of the fast respawning mobs to the places you want to go.
For example yesterday I had to steal some fish from the docks. I just popped camo, ran through the town to the docks and started fighting there, skipping roughly 5 minutes worth of clearing trash.

As for mob detection: It might be specific to individual mobs, but I found that camouflage gives you nearly the same low detection range as stealth. Most 85 mobs only detect me when I truely stand right in front or right on top of them.

Originally Posted by homer115

Should i be spamming cobra shot? it hits harder then steady shot. im survival spec. or should i be using cobra shot when i need the 6 extra seconds to SrS? does CoS increase the serpent sting damage even if its like 19 seconds left?

You should be spamming Cobra Shot. For survival (and BM for that matter) it is much better than steady shot in virtually every way. (Same focus gain, same cast time, extends serpent sting so you don't have to reapply it, does more damage because it ignores armor, and it works with SV mastery).

MM is the only one that currently uses steady shot as they have talents to improve that.

Cobra Shot adds 6 seconds every time it lands, up to a maximum of 21 seconds i believe. In practice it comes down to the fact your serpent sting will never need a refresh, as you fire your cobra more than once per 6 seconds.

pichuca · 12/10/10, 4:40 AM

Originally Posted by Nyth_

There are a couple of uses for it. It's not a huge skill tho.

Limiting to PvE there are 2 solid uses for it, both working of the fact you reduce aggro radius enormously:

1. Positioning. You can get around easy, get in a good position. This can be nice for some boss fights, or when you need to trap some trash.

2. Questing. Go do the dailies at Tol Barad for example, you can use camouflage to just run past most of the fast respawning mobs to the places you want to go.
For example yesterday I had to steal some fish from the docks. I just popped camo, ran through the town to the docks and started fighting there, skipping roughly 5 minutes worth of clearing trash.

As for mob detection: It might be specific to individual mobs, but I found that camouflage gives you nearly the same low detection range as stealth. Most 85 mobs only detect me when I truely stand right in front or right on top of them.

You should be spamming Cobra Shot. For survival (and BM for that matter) it is much better than steady shot in virtually every way. (Same focus gain, same cast time, extends serpent sting so you don't have to reapply it, does more damage because it ignores armor, and it works with SV mastery).

MM is the only one that currently uses steady shot as they have talents to improve that.

Cobra Shot adds 6 seconds every time it lands, up to a maximum of 21 seconds i believe. In practice it comes down to the fact your serpent sting will never need a refresh, as you fire your cobra more than once per 6 seconds.

In fact, it would be possible to spam cobra shot during the first 20% of the fight (Due to Careful Aim) ignoring Arcane shot at all, at a certain level of mastery and haste or while under the effect of a haste CD (Berserking, Rapid Fire, BL/Heroism), as it actually hits harder (At least on the few heroic dungeons I ran, need to confirm this via Femaledwarf or live raid testing, but some early logs show Cobra hitting harder than Arcane) and has a higher Crit chance due to Careful aim. Even it would be worth ignoring arcane shot during Rapid Fire/Bloodlust, despite being at 100 focus. At this point I´m wondering.. Does Kill command trigger Global CD? if not it would be a the focus dump during those phases.

Nooska · 12/10/10, 5:07 AM

Yes, Kill Command is on the GCD, it is an actual attack now and not a buff to the pets next attack.

jarlelin · 12/10/10, 7:32 AM

Does the talent Point of No Escape (6% crit in frost trap) actually work on bosses or mobs that are immune to slowing effects? (assuming you can get the trap to deploy)

Nooska · 12/11/10, 6:23 AM

Originally Posted by jarlelin

Does the talent Point of No Escape (6% crit in frost trap) actually work on bosses or mobs that are immune to slowing effects? (assuming you can get the trap to deploy)

Point of No Escape
Increases the ranged critical strike chance of all of your attacks on targets affected by your Ice Trap and Freezing Trap by 3/6%.

I am uncertain as to whether we have specific data yet, but reading the talent as quoted above, the answer seems to be no. The operative word here is that it increases th chance on targets that are affected - if a mob is immune, it isn't affected by the effect it is immune to.

Vreil · 12/11/10, 1:05 PM

is there a pet that gives the buff to increase exp,srs and cos? thinking about wind serpent here or is elemental and magical 2 very different types of dmg?

homer115 · 12/12/10, 12:42 AM

Since kill command is now on GCD. Should i be using acrane shot as focus dump ?

justarb · 12/12/10, 1:50 AM

Hopefully a simple question about reforging - What is the stat priority for BM Hunters when it comes to reforging? I understand that Mastery is our worst stat, but if there's no mastery I can reforge, what next?

Parmesan Jenkins · 12/12/10, 3:25 AM

Is there any knowledge on Serpent Spread? I was wondering mostly if having 2/2 would boost ISrS, or if I should drop the point for 3/3 One with Nature

Nyth_ · 12/12/10, 4:13 AM

Originally Posted by homer115

Since kill command is now on GCD. Should i be using acrane shot as focus dump ?

Arcane is indeed your focus dump. The idea is to fill the room between your "main abilities" (Kill Command for BM) with cobra shots, and if your focus gets too high you use arcane shot to dump some. It usually comes down to a judgemental call from the hunter when he uses what shot.

Originally Posted by Bruzera

anyone know waht is gonna be the top spec at 85?im guessing MM

Survival is currently top contender at 85. The other specs actually hardly come close.

Originally Posted by Parmesan Jenkins

Is there any knowledge on Serpent Spread? I was wondering mostly if having 2/2 would boost ISrS, or if I should drop the point for 3/3 One with Nature

It doesn't. Improved Serpent Sting will always take 30% of the full 15 second duration, despite how many ranks you have in Serpent Spread.
That is the reason why quite frankly any more than 1 point in Serpent Spread is borderline useless.