[Cataclysm] - Survival Hunter - Page 13

Rivkah · 01/03/11, 2:30 AM

Originally Posted by Pierce Da Man

Does anyone know how much the DMG is from 4 set bonus on black arrow?

When I tested in beta the 4pc black arrow bonus formula was about 11.1% RAP + 756. However it's very possible this has been changed on live so until I get updated test data from someone with the set I'd recommend taking this with a grain of salt.

Also, on beta the bonus was bugged in that it applied both the physical and spell crit multipliers to crits of the proc, so the crits were far larger than they should have been (I'm not sure which was the correct multiplier). I don't know if this has been fixed either.

If anyone can update me I'd love to make sure the site modeling of the bonus is current.

Sebudai · 01/03/11, 2:45 AM

I have the 4-piece bonus. Casting 20 Black Arrow on Raider's Training Dummy while self-buffed resulted in:

7701 (crit)
2468
2468
7702 (crit)
2468
7701 (crit)
2468
2469
2469
2468
2468
2468
2468
2468
2468
2469
7701 (crit)
2468
2468

It also never proc'd my DMC:H.

Rivkah · 01/03/11, 3:07 AM

Based on those numbers it looks like it's still getting the double layer of crit damage multipliers. How much AP did you have when you did the tests?

Sebudai · 01/03/11, 3:18 AM

My current armory profile + Aspect of the Hawk is what I was using. Ranged attack power was at 12,530.

Nooska · 01/03/11, 6:03 AM

Originally Posted by Cole

I like the petflowchart for raiding made by Zee which you can find here.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8...flowchart3.jpg (which was used in the raiding hunter faq somewhere else here)
Is that flowchart still valid ?
I read the circle like "Is there no a Prot Warrior then use a raptor". Is that correct ?
The last circle (starting with arms warrior) is then being read like
"Is there no arms warrior then use a hyena". However you did that same check four steps earlier.
Do arms warrior /feral druids gain damage from the hyena debuff ? If so then I suppose yes and no should be swapped for that circle.

What you are checking for is if there is one of the classes that provide a specific buff/debuff present, not for the specific arms warrior. The buffs/debuffs on the flowchart are listed in order of importance, albeit arbitrarily determined, for example, the hyena debuff is so much more valuable if you have a lot of bleeders.

Rivkah · 01/03/11, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by Sebudai

My current armory profile + Aspect of the Hawk is what I was using. Ranged attack power was at 12,530.

Ok, well those numbers fit in pretty well with the formula I have from beta once I include mastery (although I'm not sure what your mastery is at but it shouldn't affect it that significantly). So it looks like that's a fairly accurate formula for T11 proc black arrow damage at the moment.

jash · 01/03/11, 4:12 PM

I've noticed that you can dismiss and summon new pets to chain call of the wild or roar of recovery.

Has anyone tried this with the current build, is it optimal?

sneakysam · 01/03/11, 7:11 PM

I think Blizz hidden nerfed the PvP 352 gloves, i swear it said reduced traps by "4" seconds yesterday, but now it's only 2... GG

Neruse · 01/03/11, 7:52 PM

Originally Posted by sneakysam

I think Blizz hidden nerfed the PvP 352 gloves, i swear it said reduced traps by "4" seconds yesterday, but now it's only 2... GG

Both the 352 and 365 (non-2200) gloves are now 2s off. The 365 (2200) gloves still say -4s but I don't have them to test.

ov3rl0rd · 01/04/11, 9:59 AM

The 365 gloves show -2s CD on traps and is working properly now, including reducing Black Arrow CD to 22s as well.

Excalin · 01/04/11, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by jash

I've noticed that you can dismiss and summon new pets to chain call of the wild or roar of recovery.

Has anyone tried this with the current build, is it optimal?

Are you still able to switch pets out once a fight has started? I noticed that if a pet dies it won't let me summon a different one so I kind of assumed pet switching had been stopped since 4.0.1

Schniepel · 01/04/11, 10:51 AM

You can always change pets midfight, you just can't replace a dead pet with another one that's still alive anymore. Altough in between dismiss & call pet thats an awful lot of downtime for an additional RoR oder CotW.

saberos · 01/04/11, 12:12 PM

Just received this response about my Darkmoon Card: Hurricane today.

Although I find it unlikely that it really has internal stats, it seems like blizzard doesn't want it to be a good trinket for hunters.

Pagimo · 01/04/11, 12:28 PM

Will there be a point when one with nature 30% AP boost to Hawk will be better then Sic'em ? According to maxdps.com they recommend one with nature prior to sic'em. But if we read the guide for survival they recommend Sic'em prior to one with nature.

Excalin · 01/04/11, 1:18 PM

Originally Posted by Pagimo

Will there be a point when one with nature 30% AP boost to Hawk will be better then Sic'em ? According to maxdps.com they recommend one with nature prior to sic'em. But if we read the guide for survival they recommend Sic'em prior to one with nature.

I have noticed Maxdps hasn't been showing proper stats either. Pet dps 200? hit cap on bosses before you really are hit capped.

also you are only comparing 20% Improve Aspect of the Hawk with Sic'em