[Cataclysm] Beast Mastery (4.3) - Page 10

VGwow · 05/25/11, 12:18 PM

I'm seriouly in favor to use FF macro'd but, as said before, the ability queue especially on RF phases makes it usage a little bit annoying. One thing that I really recommend is took FF as a single button, this will also help to manage when and/or what place to use it to maximize dps by managing attkSpd during the encounters, especially in long fights.

Sorry for my poor english, I'm still learning how to post decently.

Orthogonal · 06/13/11, 11:40 AM

Regarding the AoE rotation for BMs with a chimera. I currently use a /petattack macro for all my shots/stings/everything so that my pet is always attacking what I'm attacking. The problem is: when I use the chimera channeled AoE move, the /petattack line will cancel my pets channeling.

Is there a macro I could build around multishot that will order my pet to attack my current target but not interrupt the channel. Or maybe a macro that will be similar to the cast aspect macro that doesn't cancel the aura. I'd also like to be able to cast cobra shots in-between multi shots so that I don't drain focus too fast and have it not cancel the pet channel.

VGwow · 06/14/11, 7:32 AM

With a worm in the H Halfus fight I can reach 104k dps with ease, the same cannot be said to chimaera due its lacking of radius of the aoe. Assuming also that the cooldown of burrow attack is around of 32.5 sec and the worm will stay below ground during 8 sec, you have more or less 24 sec down time, but if there is 6+ adds is enough to overcome chimy.
Remember that froststorm breath is a CONE attack and despite its 0 cooldown your pet still vulnerable to attacks, cannot perform anything and still generating agro doing LESS damage then worm.
Worms do significantly MORE damage, 15 yards range radius, Agro free, damage immune (assuming that the worm cannot take any external damage below the earth).

Orthogonal · 06/14/11, 8:06 AM

I was really hoping for a way to have the chimera just follow the adds in h halfus and keep that AoE rolling. I was not aware that it was a cone attack but that makes sense why it wasn't splashing to the target dummies nearby.

I suppose I will have to switch to a worm. How well does it work on the chogal adds? And does a /petattack macro interrupt the channel/cast/whatever of the worm's aoe move?

Edit: Another question.
Edit 2: I was warned.

Manveru · 06/14/11, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by VGwow

With a worm in the H Halfus fight I can reach 104k dps with ease, the same cannot be said to chimaera due its lacking of radius of the aoe.

Assuming also that the cooldown of burrow attack is around of 32.5 sec and the worm will stay below ground during 8 sec, you have more or less 24 sec down time, but if there is 6+ adds is enough to overcome chimy.

Remember that froststorm breath is a CONE attack and despite its 0 cooldown your pet still vulnerable to attacks, cannot perform anything and still generating agro doing LESS damage then worm.

Worms do significantly MORE damage, 15 yards range radius, Agro free, damage immune (assuming that the worm cannot take any external damage below the earth).

Pets should be switched depending on the fight. Worm is actually a poor choice when you have to aoe a bunch of MOVING adds, for example on H Maloriak, while Chimaera handles that job very well.

Orthogonal · 06/15/11, 12:30 AM

That does not answer my question. How do you control the pets AoE with macros so that it follows your current target and keeps the channeling going? /petattak breaks the channeling of froststorm breath.

Sylvanfury · 06/15/11, 10:31 AM

That does not answer my question. How do you control the pets AoE with macros so that it follows your current target and keeps the channeling going? /petattak breaks the channeling of froststorm breath.

Well this doesn't answer your question in that you are looking for a macro to do it, but come next patch which sounds like is coming next week, they are changing aggressive stance so your pet will automatically follow your current target, which sounds like what you have been using the macros for.

As for the actual macro your are trying until then, I don't currently have a BM spec so I can't test if this will work, but try /petattack!

NextOne · 07/13/11, 2:21 PM

I just drop the 4pc T11 bonus for the 2pc T12. Is there a good BM Haste Plateau now we lost the CoS bonus ?

Thrabuco · 07/14/11, 8:15 AM

Not that it would yield actually more dps in a real world fight, but, you probably would be aiming for 3 CoS + 1 Arc + 1 KC in a 6 sec window.
You'll need 2229 Haste Rating from gear + 1/3 Pathing, or, 1937 Haste Rating from gear + 3/3 Pathing.
You should account your latency with more haste rating as well if you really want to perform this tight cycle.
Since this would be a hard plateau, every single point of haste rating untill this point, will greatly improve your performance, helping you to use KC closer to it's cooldown.

This numbers takes into consideration that you have 5 stack of FFF.

Duw · 07/18/11, 6:46 AM

Regarding Pet AoE.

Been raiding firelands as BM these last two weeks, and I'm really enjoying the change from marksman. One thing I run into often though, if on an AoE heavy fight with the worm - that sometimes he is too low on focus to perform his burrow attack. Everytime he starts building up focus he fhen uses it on a basic atta k. This isn't an issue with fevor up or BW, but there are times where both are on CD. Any advice on this? Should I turn off his basic attack when I need to burrow? Should I talent out of Wild Hunt perhaps?

Relating to this, is there an up to date comparison of the three different pet specs single target dps as beast master? I'm trying to figure out how long a single target phase would have to exist before it became a dps increase to switch to a ferocity pet after finishing AoE. Thanks for reading.

Nooska · 07/18/11, 7:09 AM

In regards to pet aoe. If you have brought out a pet specifically for aoe damage, then yes, you should turn off the otehr focus costing abilities - the same as you would not spend focus on KC and AS if you know you need to MS (above all - in reality, unless using an aoe pet you would still gain dps by KC'ing over MS'ing to some extent).

As for the different pet specs, I'll refer you to the OPs comments on dps differences, and say that the gain from the pet talents alone must equal or exceed 2 seconds worth of damage from you (including posisbly delaying KC) as well as the travel time worth of damage from the pet. In general, it would only be worth if if you are bringing a previously absent debuff to the table on the target so you boost the damage of others as well.

Dorney · 08/03/11, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Duw

Regarding Pet AoE.

Been raiding firelands as BM these last two weeks, and I'm really enjoying the change from marksman. One thing I run into often though, if on an AoE heavy fight with the worm - that sometimes he is too low on focus to perform his burrow attack. Everytime he starts building up focus he fhen uses it on a basic atta k. This isn't an issue with fevor up or BW, but there are times where both are on CD. Any advice on this? Should I turn off his basic attack when I need to burrow? Should I talent out of Wild Hunt perhaps?

Relating to this, is there an up to date comparison of the three different pet specs single target dps as beast master? I'm trying to figure out how long a single target phase would have to exist before it became a dps increase to switch to a ferocity pet after finishing AoE. Thanks for reading.

I talented out of Wild Hunt for my Worm and never have an issue with Burrow and focus anymore.

I also switch to another pet after AoE is done (e.g. Beth'tilac) but that is partly due to bringing the 5% crit buff. That's the only fight you should need to switch (except for maybe rhyolith depending on your role).

Darkiejr · 08/04/11, 4:29 AM

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Namarus · 08/09/11, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by VGwow

I'm seriouly in favor to use FF macro'd but, as said before, the ability queue especially on RF phases makes it usage a little bit annoying. One thing that I really recommend is took FF as a single button, this will also help to manage when and/or what place to use it to maximize dps by managing attkSpd during the encounters, especially in long fights.

Sorry for my poor english, I'm still learning how to post decently.

Isn't this a dps loss? I mean don't you want to have full stacks of Frenzy when you use Bestial Wrath. If you are just using Focus Fire whenever the cooldown is up your pet losses that extra damage.

pichuca · 08/09/11, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Namarus

Isn't this a dps loss? I mean don't you want to have full stacks of Frenzy when you use Bestial Wrath. If you are just using Focus Fire whenever the cooldown is up your pet losses that extra damage.

Usually you don´t overlap FF and Bestial wrath, either you delay BW a few secs until FF is off , or you delay FF if BW is coming off CD soon. In both cases your pet will have all 5 stacks