Beast Mastery Bible - Page 10

Osse · 04/28/07, 9:04 AM

Ok, Consortium Blaster with no scope using the same buffs as before. no dps consumables, only mana. mana oils, vendor bullets etc.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=cggmtwseklybe&a=0

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=w4lfkiz3exzvk&a=0

Both with same gun, ~75ms, had two clients open and somehow managed to bug judgement of wisdom on the mob as you can see lol.

That would be close to average raid ms though so I'll stick to the Wrathtide it seems. And put 28 crit rating on it so steady shot actually benefits from the scope so dps will be even higher. :|

Shame really, I like the Consortium gun graphics.

ps. my arms hurt after making sure that I wont clip anything when rapid fire or quick shots were up.

ishichin · 04/28/07, 12:45 PM

Ya that list was assuming no improved aspect of the hawk or rapid fire. I believe you would be cliping a lot of auto shots with improved aspect of the hawk being up like half the time. Maybe you have been using the right speed all along :P. You use to have a don santons famous hunting rifle. If you could i would love to see that test since it should account for procs and rapid fire plus average out to be like 100ap gain.

Osse · 04/28/07, 1:55 PM

Does it not have hidden cooldown?

ishichin · 04/28/07, 4:09 PM

i thought i read about people getting reprocs so i thought there was no cooldown.

Breakerone · 04/29/07, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by The Iron Colonel

Karazhan (BM spec - http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=mtbM0xgRquVoVVbRV)
(it's a full run, click through the reports to see different encounters - notice the drop in damage on Aran when my pet dies)
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=khcqxwltovjz3&a=60

First of all, omg, you were raiding for 7 hours?
Secondly, just a short question. You were obviously using your Pet on Maiden. Was that because you had so little melees and it was ok or did I miss a change and the pet is not chaining anymore?

The Iron Colonel · 04/29/07, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by Breakerone

First of all, omg, you were raiding for 7 hours?
Secondly, just a short question. You were obviously using your Pet on Maiden. Was that because you had so little melees and it was ok or did I miss a change and the pet is not chaining anymore?

1) Yes, we normally do Karazhan in two days because we swap people in and out alot (which takes time) but this week we transferred, which reset our raid IDs. So we did karazhan twice and gruul twice, and we had to cram karazhan into a single night (which, again, we normally don't do).
2) I'm not sure. I'm looking at the maiden fight now (http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...=5&s=4685,4817) and from the looks of it, my pet WAS taking more holy damage than just the consecration. Presumably it was also chaining Holy Wrath. However, when I look at Maiden's damage out(http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...4685,4817&a=28) I see she only had 6 holy wrath hits. Considering we had 2 warriors and a Druid in melee range in addition to my pet, I'd say we probably got lucky with the chaining. I seem to remember Alcaras standing on top of my pet , so there was a triangle between the him/pet, other warrior, and druid. I would guess that any chaining of holy wrath occured only between Alcaras and my pet, if my recollection of events is correct.

Short version: I think pets chain on Maiden. I don't specifically recall if my pet was hit by holy wrath, but from the looks of things I think it was.

Redpath · 04/29/07, 6:35 PM

Originally Posted by Grogzor

Next patch will you consider putting 2 points into Improved Mend Pet over Bestial Discipline? It just seems it would be nicer with making you as a hunter A) More Self Reliant and B) Less mana intensive. Even considering you have a shadow priest 100% of the time?

It just seems that Bestial Discipline + GFTT is a bit much even when spamming screech every time.

Typically after taking Intimidation/Discipline I have 2 pts left to get to the next tier, which I dump into Endurance. If I wanted Imp. Mend I would probably dump those 2 points in there instead.

Glaurong · 04/29/07, 9:06 PM

Sorry I was gone for a while, missed the requests for the full video. I actually trashed the source after I cropped out the piece with me in it. I'll record and post a few more during this week.

Far as specials go, I was using max rank everything cool downs permitting. Steady shots most of the time, slotting multis and arcanes as possible. Burned all my mana in 80 seconds, did about 66800 damage in that time period so a bit over 800 dps from my ranged attacks.

I should be running a bunch of heroics this week and I'll see what kinda vids I can get.

Edit: Oh and I got a bunch of PMs about my cast bars. Like others have mentioned I use LittleTrouble for my autoshot timer. I use eCastingBar for my cast bar and played with the sizes/transparencies till I could drag the main eCastingBar over LittleTrouble and the result is what you saw.

Optimized · 04/29/07, 9:07 PM

I was wondering if we could have some discussion as to what the optimal pet is. I see some people using owls in WWS, I assume for the utility of the buff. Would a windserpent or ravager be better and if so which one? One reason I ask is that I am excited by what I read here about BM but want to make sure I have the best pet available. If that requires me to level a Ravager I want to take that into consideration before I respec.

The Iron Colonel · 04/29/07, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Optimized

I was wondering if we could have some discussion as to what the optimal pet is. I see some people using owls in WWS, I assume for the utility of the buff. Would a windserpent or ravager be better and if so which one? One reason I ask is that I am excited by what I read here about BM but want to make sure I have the best pet available. If that requires me to level a Ravager I want to take that into consideration before I respec.

I've been using Cheeky's spreadsheet to calculate available focus per second for abilities. With my cat I'm seeing a slight excess of focus on average (spamming both Bite and Claw; with bestial discipline and GFTT @ 20% to crit). Modeling a Windserpent, I'm not getting enough focus to maintain LB spam. Theoretically, according to the spreadsheet, I gain approximately 11 dps by going with my cat (not to mention that I don't have to deal with the stupid caster pathing). With a ravager I'm using focus at about the same rate as with my cat, but gore is less effective at turning focus into damage than claw.

As far as I'm concerned, the modeling puts cats ahead of wind serpents and ravagers. Now, if you have an enhancement shaman from whom you windserpent can steal SS charges, it probably would put out more damage. Then again, that doesn't seem like a very good plan.

For reference, the special attack numbers the spreadsheet returned @20% to crit were
Cat (spamming claw 9 bite 9) ===106.12 DPS
Ravager (spamming gore 9 bite 9) ===85.66 DPS
Windserpent (spamming LB 6) ===94.25 DPS

Granted this is theoretical, but given the theoretical disparity between a windserpent and cat, the annoying caster pathing of the windserpent, and the ready availability of level 70 cats (in skettis) for taming, I'd say go with a cat if you have the choice.

Rokh · 04/29/07, 11:38 PM

All this talk of latency, shot rotations, ect, I have enough arena points to pick up the Gladiator's Xbow Tuesday, just wondering if any BM hunters have this and if working out a rotation similar to a Marks Auto->Special->Special->Auto->Special->Repeat with the slower 3.2 Xbow would work out?

Do any BM hunters use this, or are aspiring to get it? I'm using Sunfury right now, and seems with two haste effects active, like many others have stated in this post, it's not worth Steady Shotting, just Auto->Arcane/Multi/KC..

AndrewCarr · 04/30/07, 2:37 AM

Maybe the theorycrafters could help you more with this, but with 200ms ping or so I don't remember being able to get two specials in between autos without delaying an auto.

helias126 · 04/30/07, 4:19 AM

Originally Posted by Rokh

All this talk of latency, shot rotations, ect, I have enough arena points to pick up the Gladiator's Xbow Tuesday, just wondering if any BM hunters have this and if working out a rotation similar to a Marks Auto->Special->Special->Auto->Special->Repeat with the slower 3.2 Xbow would work out?

Do any BM hunters use this, or are aspiring to get it? I'm using Sunfury right now, and seems with two haste effects active, like many others have stated in this post, it's not worth Steady Shotting, just Auto->Arcane/Multi/KC..

Marks Auto->Special->Special->Auto rotation cannot be done with any spec or any bow currently in game afaik.
GCD is 1.5s for all shots.

Greenpiggy · 04/30/07, 5:40 AM

Originally Posted by The Iron Colonel

For reference, the special attack numbers the spreadsheet returned @20% to crit were
Cat (spamming claw 9 bite 9) ===106.12 DPS
Ravager (spamming gore 9 bite 9) ===85.66 DPS
Windserpent (spamming LB 6) ===94.25 DPS

Does this take into account the fact that Claw and Bite are not spammable?
Surely if you've taken Go for the throat, having a pet with the ability to dump focus fast is your primary concern.

Shandara · 04/30/07, 6:39 AM

Originally Posted by Greenpiggy

Does this take into account the fact that Claw and Bite are not spammable?
Surely if you've taken Go for the throat, having a pet with the ability to dump focus fast is your primary concern.

Only Bite is not spammable. I did think Gore was slightly better though, because of the 50% damage increase chance.