Ok done some searches and wasn't able to find an answer to this but my guild is working on Azgalor in MH and have decided to use the range max distance to out range the fire. I have read it has a 35 yd range and was wondering if I will be targetable by it since that is my range too.
If so how do other BM hunters that are doing this fight and use this strat handle it?
Well, I'm not 100% on this, but basically, at the same range, you should be able to hit him while he shouldn't be able to target you. The reason for this is because he will have a much larger hit box than you. Now, from what I can gather about game mechanics (and this is the part where I'm not 100% sure), the range is determined from the center of the caster's hitbox to the edge of the target's hit box. Well, that's the theory, anyway. But, to back this theory up, some practical examples are melee being able to avoid whirls on Lurker by standing on max melee range, even though whirl has the same 5 yard range as regular and special melee attacks.
EDIT: Sadly, I can't share my personal experiences since A) I'm specced survival and B) Azgalor is next for target practice this week...
Originally Posted by XI-
In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
Enova is correct - I've never been targeted by Azgalor's fire as a BM hunter if I stay at my max range (no Hawk Eye for me).
A tip for BM hunters on this one:
Set your pet on stay somewhere in between you and the Doomguard-killing area. Then use a macro to send in your pet to attack the Doomguard once the Doomguard tank has a little bit of aggro; this will let you get FI without killing your pet on Azgalor himself.
Cool thanks for the advice guys and really haven't had much trouble keeping pet up and just pulling him out if he gets fired as I have full FR training on him.
Ok another question though think we are gonna start doing BT so we can get some SR for our healers and was wondering if pets get hit by the Tidal shield on Na'jentus and if it gets halved by avoidance or anything cause don't see taring them with Frost Resist for just that fight being worthwhile since it seems my pet will need FR and SR more for later fights in BT and Na'jentus being the only one where Frost would be good.
Pets get hit by the Tidal Shield at Najentus, but since the damage done is conisdered AoE Avoindance helps here. Just try to keep your pet at or near maxium health. Your Hot and Chain Heals for the melees should be sufficient. Nevertheless your pet is likely to die once or twice during the fight, at least in my experience. There are always unlucky moments where one can not keep the Hot up because of Spikes, low mana caused by the lenghty fight etc.
Well, to be fair, between Mend Pet, the constant Chain Heals, the 2/5 Rift Stalker bonus the pet should stay alive on Naj'entus for the full 100% duration of the fight. Maybe a shadow priest in the group / judgement of light on the target (which are both pretty much going to depend on your internal raid organization) could relieve some of the stress from keeping mend pet up, but, all in all, it should be no trouble. My pet currently only has avoidance rank 2 and no specific frost resistance training, but so far it has yet to die on Naj. All in all, that's quite a pet friendly encounter.
Originally Posted by XI-
In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
Well, to be fair, between Mend Pet, the constant Chain Heals, the 2/5 Rift Stalker bonus the pet should stay alive on Naj'entus for the full 100% duration of the fight. Maybe a shadow priest in the group / judgement of light on the target (which are both pretty much going to depend on your internal raid organization) could relieve some of the stress from keeping mend pet up, but, all in all, it should be no trouble. My pet currently only has avoidance rank 2 and no specific frost resistance training, but so far it has yet to die on Naj. All in all, that's quite a pet friendly encounter.
This is the only fight that I've found (depending on my group heal situation) that swapping out t6 gloves for t5 2 piece bonus is really handy. t5 bonus alone should keep your pet up as you can sit back and tear this boss up.
I find myself swapping in 2pc t5 only for Council, due to the heavy aoe going on. If i could snag a shadow priest I wouldn't though.
A few times I've attempted to use the 2pc t5 bonus on ROS, because my pet seemed to get "gimped" alot. Im not sure if its just the aura of anger (or w/e) that does periodic damage, or if its some mechanic which forces the boss to turn around and 1shot my pet (using targets targets target ive seen him turn and actually look at pets before more or less 1shotting them). Anyone clarify for me?
I find myself swapping in 2pc t5 only for Council, due to the heavy aoe going on. If i could snag a shadow priest I wouldn't though.
A few times I've attempted to use the 2pc t5 bonus on ROS, because my pet seemed to get "gimped" alot. Im not sure if its just the aura of anger (or w/e) that does periodic damage, or if its some mechanic which forces the boss to turn around and 1shot my pet (using targets targets target ive seen him turn and actually look at pets before more or less 1shotting them). Anyone clarify for me?
Your pet, like my pet often does, is being gibbed by Spite.
"Randomly targetted on individuals in the raid. After 2 seconds of immunity to all damage, the player will get hit by 7444-7556 nature damage."
hi im wondering if u guys can help with so questions i have.
1) i see alot of hunters in BT/MH gear using 3 sec cast time weapson but from what i understand wolf sniper rifle is the best weapon in game atm due to the 1:1 rotation of BM, is there something i have missed?
2) would u use broodlust brooch or hourglass of the unraveller in boss fights? using DST in other slot
3) i read somewhere about using serpent sting as part of a BM hunter dps do u guys use it or just auto steady?
1/ I had this gun and it was awesome. Now I have arena s.II (waiting for vashj bow)
2/ Dependent on your crit
3/ steady/auto/kill cmd - serpent only some fights
Check out Cheeky's Spreadsheet - the number of 'which gear do I choose?' questions you'll have will be reduced 99.9%. The sheet is available in Excel and Open Office formats for your viewing convenience.
Something that hunters new to theorycrafting and The Spreadsheet often find confusing is why a lower tooltip DPS weapon (like the Wolfslayer) will show up in The Spreadsheet as higher overall DPS than a slower but more heavy-hitting weapon (like the Serpent Spine Longbow). Attack speed is arguably the most important stat for BM hunters, and that is what makes all the difference. Do a search on attack speeds and you'll find your questions answered.
If you are reading that Serpent Sting should be part of a BM hunter's rotation...well, stop going to wherever you read that. It's not true. Do a search on shot rotations and you'll find the answer to that question, as well. Short answer: don't use it, it's a bad damage-to-mana ratio. Long answer: find the search button.
I kinda want to ask about what people think about hit raiting in BT/Hyjal gear, im 41/20/0 btw.
Every peice I upgrade, I seem to drop more and more hit, atm without any hit gems im at ~115, and to get back to the hit cap I would have to regem my gear, or drop alot of AP/Crit in gear, and worst of all its only going to get worse.
When I drop my t5 legs/gloves and start moving towards 4 of 5 t6/Bow-stitched Leggings It will drop even more.
And when I look at armory for t6 hunters, most seem to sit at ~80 hit, so basically is it no longer useful?
Well, hit rating shifts from tier items to stuff such as [Halberd of Desolation], [Shadowmoon Destroyer's Drape], [Boneweave Girdle],[Quickstrider Moccasins] and [Stormrage Signet Ring]. I'm pretty sure hit does not become less desirable as gear upgrades. Actually, all those stat increases are worthless if you miss a shot. As for the hunters running around with 80ish hit? Either they're survival, or they're simply unlucky with + hit gear. I'd like to think they're not actually complete idiots sporting tier 6...
Last edited by Enova : 12/18/07 at 10:30 PM.
Originally Posted by XI-
In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
Yeah i have noticed the low hit too and to counter it i dont plan on switching from my 4/5 T5 till i have 4/5 t6 and when i do switch I'm gonna gem for hit in all my yellow sockets. I have done the math and if i do that i should be able to hit cap myself and be able to wear 2 or 3 pieces of haste gear to get those slow t6 ranged weapons down to desirable speeds.
The absence of +hit on T6 parts follows the logic of BC's itemization :
In T4 content, T4 hunters set has no +hit whatsoever, but belt, boots, etc do.
In T5 content, T5 hunters set has +hit, but belts, boots, etc don't.
In T6 content, the wheel keeps on turning, and we're back to square one.
You just need to plan your gear upgrades and regemmings accordingly (upon entering T5 content, taking my Sonic Spear out of my bank to "replace" Legacy actually translated in a DPS increase, for the 2 or 3 raids between replacing my belt (+hit loss) and my gloves (+hit re-gain)).
The annoying part of it is that, from one tier content to another, and depending in what order you upgrade your gear, you either end up having too much +hit, or not enough. It's only temporary though.
My hit is like 55 until i swap out a ring and +hit food which puts me to +97 hit. I would love to get to max like the old days but the items from BT that are listed above seem to be the RARE drops from the bosses. We have been in BT for abotu 3 months and have Illy on farm for 1 month. We have 1 halbred, 0 boneweave girdle, 1 Shadowmoon coak which was 2 weeks ago, 0 Stormrage ring, and also 2 chokers off Supremus. Also all the cloaks/rings/necklace are items needed by rogues/fury war/enchance shaman/hunter in the guild. I have problems putting +hit gems in my gear since i will be getting those +hit items over time and since we have everthing on farm it isnt a big deal.
Tossing a few agi & +hit gems into a socket is not bad man. The epic ones are a very common drop in Hyjal/BT, and it doesn't feel bad replacing them with red agi ones down the road one you get some of the solid + hit gear.
We to have had really bad hit gear luck as-well. We have never had a cloak drop, have just recently (like 3 weeks) been getting necks and a few rings after having BT on farm since like August and I to was like 120ish Hit for months.
I still have some + hit gems in my gear and I am not capped, but damn close (139). Once I get a cloak or a ring I will be over my cap and can re-gem my chest with some +10 agi gems. Compare me to the other hunter in my guild who has like 90 +hit and gets smoked on the dps meters because he has no +hit gems and passed on the + hit gear when it previously dropped and chooses to gem/gear up on raw damage gear and is now playing catchup.
Edit: I just looked you up on the Armory. Why don't you have the badge neck? The Choker of Vial Intent has decent stats and a good chunk of hit, I used it from Kara to BT. Also you could use the Cloak from Shade, and get a Belt of the Black Eagle made, put a + hit in that, even the ring from prince would help out your lower hit with out cutting a ton of dmg from you. If your current armory is your raiding armory then you biggest problem is your trying to raid in to many welfare epics. Run some Kara, SSC and upgrade some of yer raid gear, cause arena gear just doesn't top meters.
My hit is like 55 until i swap out a ring and +hit food which puts me to +97 hit. I would love to get to max like the old days but the items from BT that are listed above seem to be the RARE drops from the bosses. We have been in BT for abotu 3 months and have Illy on farm for 1 month. We have 1 halbred, 0 boneweave girdle, 1 Shadowmoon coak which was 2 weeks ago, 0 Stormrage ring, and also 2 chokers off Supremus. Also all the cloaks/rings/necklace are items needed by rogues/fury war/enchance shaman/hunter in the guild. I have problems putting +hit gems in my gear since i will be getting those +hit items over time and since we have everthing on farm it isnt a big deal.
I do agree with Tyrae in most terms. You shouldn´t be complaining about lacking hit while wearing 3 pieces of PvP-gear. Also, just socket hit if you like to reach the hit-cap. A gem like Tsunami-Talisman can also help, but basically it goes down to what Jerem posted: You can´t expect to reach the cap when combining T6-Items with items like Vindicator-gear in the off-Set-Slots.
Tossing a few agi & +hit gems into a socket is not bad man. The epic ones are a very common drop in Hyjal/BT, and it doesn't feel bad replacing them with red agi ones down the road one you get some of the solid + hit gear.
We to have had really bad hit gear luck as-well. We have never had a cloak drop, have just recently (like 3 weeks) been getting necks and a few rings after having BT on farm since like August and I to was like 120ish Hit for months.
I still have some + hit gems in my gear and I am not capped, but damn close (139). Once I get a cloak or a ring I will be over my cap and can re-gem my chest with some +10 agi gems. Compare me to the other hunter in my guild who has like 90 +hit and gets smoked on the dps meters because he has no +hit gems and passed on the + hit gear when it previously dropped and chooses to gem/gear up on raw damage gear and is now playing catchup.
Edit: I just looked you up on the Armory. Why don't you have the badge neck? The Choker of Vial Intent has decent stats and a good chunk of hit, I used it from Kara to BT. Also you could use the Cloak from Shade, and get a Belt of the Black Eagle made, put a + hit in that, even the ring from prince would help out your lower hit with out cutting a ton of dmg from you. If your current armory is your raiding armory then you biggest problem is your trying to raid in to many welfare epics. Run some Kara, SSC and upgrade some of yer raid gear, cause arena gear just doesn't top meters.
Man orange and red gems are so damn rare for us it is insane, we have green/blues out the nose. For some reason my armory is old becasue i specced MM yesterday to PVP some and we are taking a 2 week break from raiding during the holidays. i wear the prince ring and sometimes the exalted Kara ring to kick my hit up to 99. I do wear the pvp neck/belt since i'm working on getting enough badges for the trinket and we no longer raid SSC/TK anymore so the belt would be hard to get. All in all i have been putting off getting though small upgrades hoping for the big ones instead. With 99 hit i miss around 1.0-1.5% of the time and to me that isnt too big of an issue. I wasnt complaining about my hit actually, to me it isnt top of my list of important factors since we dont have to tranq anymore.
Would you guys agree to get the Choker of vile intent worth spending badges for or better to wait for the trinket? I use mark of conquest along with bladefist?
The question concerning trinkets/necklace is somewhat dependant on what you are planning to get through raid-content. You should get one of the heroic-badge-items, both will take you quite some time farming badges. But anyways, take one out of raid-content. You have all on farm? There is a variety of possibilities in BT and Hyjal (neck from Teron, trinket from Illidan e.g.) so focus on one of these, I suggest.
Don't forget most hunters use different gear on trashpacks and during grinding/solo sessions then on bosses. So armory might give false information.
Im sitting at 104 HIT and when we go for a boss i swap in the badges neck and shade's cloak. Pretty low ilevel items but they still bring more DPS then doing bosses with 104 hit rating. Our guild has bad luck on terons cloak, councils trinket and illidans ring so i gave up the hope of getting them before sunwell.
12/15/07, 1:40 AM
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