Beast Mastery Bible - Page 111

Keltan · 07/18/07, 9:42 AM

Originally Posted by Tilethryn

I mean, I'm not whole-heartedly against a scorpid. If the poison trick is really that great, the min-maxer in me says that I should probably just tame one. I'm just concerned that its a gimmick or something that will be hot-fixed a la lightning breath. I'll probably just get a cat until patch, simply because I really don't want to level a ravager from 63. When you say that there is a 6 dps bonus, though, which one does it swing in favor of?

The ~6 dps is from Gore > Claw, so it's in favor of the Ravager. (The 6 was the difference in Cheeky's spreadsheet when changing from a Cat with Bite/Claw to a Ravager with Bite/Gore, and was pre-armor mitigation, so the real difference will be even less than that.) Scorpions are very good for single target, tank and spank fights like Gruul where you (and your pet) stay on one target for the whole fight and can do continuous damage to him to keep the poison stack up.

Cheeky · 07/18/07, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by Keltan

The ~6 dps is from Gore > Claw, so it's in favor of the Ravager. (The 6 was the difference in Cheeky's spreadsheet when changing from a Cat with Bite/Claw to a Ravager with Bite/Gore, and was pre-armor mitigation, so the real difference will be even less than that.) Scorpions are very good for single target, tank and spank fights like Gruul where you (and your pet) stay on one target for the whole fight and can do continuous damage to him to keep the poison stack up.

My spreadsheet currently has a bug in the pet special attacks table where I ignore the pet's global cool down. In practice a pet with both Bite and Claw/Gore will only be using Claw or Gore once every 1.76 seconds, in an unlimited focus situation.

For all intents and purposes they are identical. 1-2 DPS after armor mitigation I would imagine. Since neither attack will ever scale, pick the one that looks best to you.

Zurgat · 07/18/07, 10:00 AM

Bite does more dpe than Claw and Gore, but due to the GCD it's not spammable.
On it's own it's no good, but it's a great energy dump.

Bite : Thottbot World of Warcraft: Bite (85,7 damage per 25 energy)
Gore : Thottbot World of Warcraft: Gore (73,5 damage per 25 energy)
Claw : Thottbot World of Warcraft: Claw (65 damage per 25 energy)
Screech : Thottbot World of Warcraft: Screech (58.75 damage per 25 energy, plus attack power debuff)
Lightning breath : Thottbot World of Warcraft: Lightning Breath (53 damage per 25 energy - ignores armor)

I can't add scorpid poison to this list, since it scales with +AP. (i wish the other abilities scaled as well though)

Cheeky · 07/18/07, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Zurgat

Bite does more dpe than Claw and Gore, but due to the GCD it's not spammable.
On it's own it's no good, but it's a great energy dump.

Bite : Thottbot World of Warcraft: Bite (85,7 damage per 25 energy)
Gore : Thottbot World of Warcraft: Gore (73,5 damage per 25 energy)
Claw : Thottbot World of Warcraft: Claw (65 damage per 25 energy)
Screech : Thottbot World of Warcraft: Screech (58.75 damage per 25 energy, plus attack power debuff)
Lightning breath : Thottbot World of Warcraft: Lightning Breath (53 damage per 25 energy - ignores armor)

I can't add scorpid poison to this list, since it scales with +AP. (i wish the other abilities scaled as well though)

Bite averages 120 Damage for 35 Focus.

Kiklion · 07/18/07, 12:07 PM

pet's really have a GCD of 2.4 seconds? I have lost stacks of SP trying to use claw and SP when he had enough focus for SP but didn't cast it in time ( i assume because of a recent claw put him on some sort of GCD)

Cheeky · 07/18/07, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Kiklion

pet's really have a GCD of 2.4 seconds? I have lost stacks of SP trying to use claw and SP when he had enough focus for SP but didn't cast it in time ( i assume because of a recent claw put him on some sort of GCD)

No, but if you are casting Bite every 10 seconds, you can't be casting Claw every 1.5s too.

1/10 + 1/X = 1/1.5 is the equation to determine Claw frequency based on a 1.5s global cool down for the pet. X solves for 1.76s.

My number of 2.4 I posted is because I did this analysis with Scorpid Posion (4 second cooldown) instead of Bite (10 second cool down.) I'll correct the original post to have the correct number for Bite.

When using a Scorpid I turn off Claw completely. Because of the way the global cooldown interacts with the Scorpid Posion cool down, you wait a minimum of 4.5 + 3 * latency seconds to re-apply (unless server controls pet's auto-abilities).

Kiklion · 07/18/07, 2:10 PM

I usually keep claw on until SP goes down to 6 second duration this way i should be able to get 2 chances to apply still, while getting 2 claws in there.

Noah · 07/18/07, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

From patch notes 2.2:

Rift Stalker Armor: The pet healing set bonus now heals for a percentage of damage dealt by the Hunter.

Unless it changes before then of course.

I'm aware of that, but because they haven't put it in yet we don't know the percentage. I was saying I hope it's the same as the Warlock one.

Avellyr · 07/18/07, 3:25 PM

It is my understanding that LB does not proc FI or frenzy.

Both frenzy and ferocious inspiration went up when I had my wind serpent on lightning-turret mode for Lurker. Lightning breath also either uses your pet's physical crit or ferocity increases spell crit as well, because it was proccing a decent amount.

Cheeky · 07/18/07, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by Avellyr

Both frenzy and ferocious inspiration went up when I had my wind serpent on lightning-turret mode for Lurker. Lightning breath also either uses your pet's physical crit or ferocity increases spell crit as well, because it was proccing a decent amount.

I'm pretty sure that when I did extensive testing right after 2.0 that it doesn't use the normal crit% for the pet. I had full MC/BWL runs where I'd get 0 crits. I think it's based off the pet's Intellect as a spell crit. (Not that our pets are that smart.)

Hunterlin · 07/18/07, 6:47 PM

LB do crit from crit% from BM talents.

Zurai · 07/18/07, 9:00 PM

Originally Posted by Cheeky

I'm pretty sure that when I did extensive testing right after 2.0 that it doesn't use the normal crit% for the pet. I had full MC/BWL runs where I'd get 0 crits. I think it's based off the pet's Intellect as a spell crit. (Not that our pets are that smart.)

I thought everyone knew how spellcrit works for pets :p

Pet base spellcrit = 0%. Talents increase both physical and spellcrit for pets. A pet with no crit talents will NEVER crit with a spell (barring some other outside buff that increases spellcrit). Intellect has no bearing whatsoever.

Bikiniwax · 07/18/07, 9:44 PM

Originally Posted by Osse

I guess quite a few will get one of those now as they apparenlty nerfed scorpids.

Did they nerf Scorpion Poison in 2.2?

Serpica · 07/18/07, 10:55 PM

A few posts later Osse said nevermind... rumor.

Female Tauren · 07/18/07, 11:50 PM

Regarding haste, has anyone tried Thundering Skyfire Diamond?

How does it compare to relentless earthstorm diamond?