Beast Mastery Bible - Page 151

Kaber · 09/04/07, 1:50 PM

Originally Posted by b1977

I raided last night and my DPS was only 456 sustained. I don't understand why my dps is so low compared to similarly geared in my guild. I am throwing Auto, and Steady and a few arcanes out there but can't seem to crack 500. What am I doing wrong?

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There is a hunter help thread for this sort of question. Please post there, we would like to keep this thread clear for theory.

b1977 · 09/04/07, 2:00 PM

Ok Will do

qu- · 09/04/07, 4:24 PM

It is 142 hit rating to not miss according to current testing (9% hit). You'll find it pretty tough to resocket 2 hit rating I think.

Darklighter · 09/04/07, 5:16 PM

Forgive me if that has been brought up already - I found some posts on it but they didn't fully answer my question - if your pet is a cat, would it be best to use claw and bite or just claw? Are the extra training points worth getting both? Should you spam them manually (which would get preference with the GCD)?

I'm probably going to switch to BM sometime in the future, but it will most likely be after the scorpid nerf. This question was bugging me. Thanks!

qu- · 09/04/07, 5:44 PM

Pretty sure most people train both and leave both on autocast. Drag bite to the left of the pet bar and claw to the right of that. Should do the most special damage that way.

Female Tauren · 09/04/07, 9:51 PM

While theoretically the 2.7 speed weapons are better for BM, I'm guessing with good use of haste pots/abacus and multi shot, the slower weapons should come out ahead even w/o a DST.

I'm not sure how to include haste potions into Cheeky's spreadsheet, has anyone done tests on this?

Velvet · 09/05/07, 1:02 AM

After having gone through most of the posts in this thread and other threads, it seems as if it's geared towards those that have already gotten SSC and beyond on some sort of farm status. This is all good and well, but I'm at a loss to really find and comprehend information that is beneficial to someone like myself that is working on Kara/Gruul's.

I love my BM hunter, and am absolutely open to any and all suggestions on how to prove that hunters are worthy of being in raids..if only I could find information that I can understand and use. I somehow doubt that this is the thread to ask in, but where do I find such information and such help? I've been trying to find a hunter that understands all this to sit down with me and explain it, but alas I have failed. Please point me in the right direction so for once I can stop being at the bottom of the dps chart and yet explain why I should be allowed to continue raiding.

Velvetlove - Limited Edition/Cenarius

Belaq · 09/05/07, 2:10 AM

The gear discussed here is mostly 25 man-related, but the theorycraft portion of it is across the board sound...at least in my opinion. I can understand how it can be overwhelming though because it is to me, too!

IMHO, spec first. Which suits you best? Look at your trees, make sure you're plugging in points where they will benefit you - and the raid - the most. Then look at gear, including enchants and gems. Do you understand how choosing, say, a +35 Agility enchant will affect your stats versus the +70 AP enchant? Keep in mind that some gear is better for certain flavours of hunter. Take a look at shot rotations. Do you understand how they work? Why they work? Which is best for your spec/gear? What affects your rotation positively, and negatively?

Being able to answer these questions even on a pretty simple basis implies knowledge of your class and a willingness to learn even more. If you can get a solid understanding of these kinds of things (again, in my opinion) then you've got a nice base to work from. The extreme number-crunching is fun but you can leave that to Cheeky while you get the bread and butter down pat.

Fimbo · 09/05/07, 5:18 AM

Originally Posted by qu-

Pretty sure most people train both and leave both on autocast. Drag bite to the left of the pet bar and claw to the right of that. Should do the most special damage that way.

That's a new one on me!

Why does this make a difference? Does it set the "cast order" for the pet?

For my BM pet (a cat) i train her pretty much every day with:

Bite
Claw
Dash
Avoidance
Cobra Reflexs
(And Growl for soloing)
Then I stack whatever resistence is needed, and spend the final remaining points on Stamina.

But i've never ordered Bite and Claw specifically.

Olgas · 09/05/07, 8:30 AM

Originally Posted by qu-

It is 142 hit rating to not miss according to current testing (9% hit).

This is correct. If you have the standard Weapon Skill for a Level 70 character (i.e., 350 Weapon Skill), then your base miss rate against a level 73 boss/mob is 9%. And, so, you need 142 hit rating (9.005%) to never miss.

However, if you are a Dwarf with a Gun or a Troll with a Bow (and therefore have 355 Weapon Skill), then you only need 6% (95 Hit Rating) to never miss against a Level 73 boss/mob.

Cranch · 09/05/07, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Olgas

This is correct. If you have the standard Weapon Skill for a Level 70 character (i.e., 350 Weapon Skill), then your base miss rate against a level 73 boss/mob is 9%. And, so, you need 142 hit rating (9.005%) to never miss.

However, if you are a Dwarf with a Gun or a Troll with a Bow (and therefore have 355 Weapon Skill), then you only need 6% (95 Hit Rating) to never miss against a Level 73 boss/mob.

Thank you for confirming what I have observed. Guns, lots of guns!

It's hard enough for me to keep my 93 hit rating there and still minmax my dps gear (I'll get 2 T5 pieces and end up losing about 15-20 dps over the max possible dps if I could somehow keep my hit rating at 95.) This has got to be a significantly more difficult problem for people who want 130 or more hit rating and still in SSC/TK.

Reipin Pillage · 09/05/07, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cranch

Thank you for confirming what I have observed. Guns, lots of guns!

It's hard enough for me to keep my 93 hit rating there and still minmax my dps gear (I'll get 2 T5 pieces and end up losing about 15-20 dps over the max possible dps if I could somehow keep my hit rating at 95.) This has got to be a significantly more difficult problem for people who want 130 or more hit rating and still in SSC/TK.

I had all the hit rating I needed with T5...

Kaladian · 09/05/07, 3:08 PM

My my new guild has reached BT and has 2 bosses down, the mail haste pattern has already drop and there is only 1 raiding LW hunter who got the pattern. My question is with the changes to haste is it still the best stat to stack for a BM or MM hunter. Off the top of my head you can get about 13% haste with all the drop/patterns available which use to be almost 19.5% haste before the change. So is haste still a great stat to stack and it is worth leveling LW over to get the patterns that drop.

qu- · 09/05/07, 7:00 PM

Originally Posted by Belaq

The gear discussed here is mostly 25 man-related, but the theorycraft portion of it is across the board sound...at least in my opinion. I can understand how it can be overwhelming though because it is to me, too!

IMHO, spec first. Which suits you best? Look at your trees, make sure you're plugging in points where they will benefit you - and the raid - the most. Then look at gear, including enchants and gems. Do you understand how choosing, say, a +35 Agility enchant will affect your stats versus the +70 AP enchant? Keep in mind that some gear is better for certain flavours of hunter. Take a look at shot rotations. Do you understand how they work? Why they work? Which is best for your spec/gear? What affects your rotation positively, and negatively?

Being able to answer these questions even on a pretty simple basis implies knowledge of your class and a willingness to learn even more. If you can get a solid understanding of these kinds of things (again, in my opinion) then you've got a nice base to work from. The extreme number-crunching is fun but you can leave that to Cheeky while you get the bread and butter down pat.

It's just what I've heard. Whether it makes a difference or not I cannot be sure but it seems to make sense. Since gore/claw are less focus and have no cooldown they will be used up faster and use more focus (obviously). So you really want to make sure bite is going off when there is enough focus if you used the points to train it. Maybe the game uses it by itself I don't know. Just something I read somewhere and probably isn't true but doesn't hurt either I guess.

Repus · 09/06/07, 9:57 PM

I've been wondering because trolls get +5 bow skill does that mean we only need 5.6% hit rating then? I heard 1 skill was .6% is this true?