I had a quick question about my 3:2 macro using a windserpent. I tested it earlier, and it felt like it took way too much time for the pet to fire off LB and KCs. I think it's because I have the part of the macro that manually tells it to use LB in the wrong place. If someone would take a look and verify that I haven't done anything wrong, or correct it if I have, I would really appreciate it. I'm so used to a cat at this point that windserpent macros are still very new to me.

#showtooltip Auto Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast !Auto shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] lightning breath
/cast Steady shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

This has been known since not long after the dawn of time. See:

Formulas:Item values - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

I've run into a slight dilemma in recent times: ArP or Haste?

I'm sure others are in a similar situation, relevant info below:
Gear: WoW Armory - Light: Reebz
Gear Access: up to Illidari Council @ BT
Spec: always BM
Latency: 450ms
(Please ignore the fact that my Quickstriders are gemless, only got them a few hours ago)

As it stands, I've got enough gear to mix and match to be hit capped and run with around ~750 ArP.

Having used CoRS for quite a while, Haste never really interested me as I'm an Australian player with 450ms latency. Recently aquiring Bristlebritz Striker has made me think twice.

I've just had Bindings of Lightning Reflexes crafted and probably plan on picking up Valestalker Girdle. I've also contemplated the Vanir's Badge Fists if I go down the haste path.

However, looking at T6 gear, its very ArP heavy and I feel this might be a better fit with my latency. I've managed to aquire one Dagger of Bad Mojo and plan on sourcing another. Having these I would most likely be pushing the 1000 ArP mark.

I have and still do use Cheeky's spreadsheet and it is a great guide but by no means do I take it as gospel (I've found varying results). Plugging my gear into the XLS, I find that (with my current gear), swapping my Steadying Bracers with Lightning Reflexes instigates a DPS drop. However, after that, if I sub in Valestalker Girdle, it increases (albeit marginally).

So, long story short, I'm looking for some experienced opinions on the path I should take going forward into true end-game content, in specific regard to comparing and contrasting 2 different stats which both increasingly scale as more is accumulated - while keeping in mind my Aussie latency and potential upgrade path.

I thought I had it all planned out, but balancing Haste/ArP has really got me dumbfounded.

Hello, I've been looking through this thread and the forums and can't find anything that answers the questions I have so I decided to get the balls to just post a question and ask.

I raid 41/20/0 now, before I raided survival which was more of a weaving shots, having a bat pet with screech but now that I'm BM I have some questions so I can maximize my DPS.
Here is a link to my Armory Profile
805-963 Damage
2313 Ranged Attack Power
30.28% Crit Chance
Unbuffed except for AOTH

My questions are, as BM using [Crossbow of Relentless Strikes] what shot macro do I want to be using? and what trinkets would be the best that I have to use at the moment -([Dragonspine Trophy][Ashtongue Talisman of Swiftness] on top of the ones already equipped in my profile.

and I currently have a 70 trained Ravager and a 70 trained Wind Serpent, which one do I want to use in raids?

and If you notice anything with my gear that I should change please let me know, money is no object and I have access to BT gear if I need a replacement.

Couple ideas for you:

First, consider getting the 30 hit scope or the 28 crit rating scope. Id go with hit and regem chest to 3 spinels maybe.

Id suggest the DST + Berserkers Call for trinkets. Im an alchemist myself, and would hate to give up the stone, but that trinket combo is pretty sick. You can also use the stone + DST for mana intensive fights so you can chug the Fel Mana's as needed.

You may also want to check out spreadsheet numbers with a swap of Dorys for Cloak of Fiends and Insidious Bands to Lightning Reflexes.

Weapon would also be a spot to examine numbers on. I think S3/Harbingers/HoD come out ahead of Trollbane a bit.

Your gear is great though, grats.

Oh yeah and for macros, Id go for the 3:2 one. It adjusts to 1:1 rotation if your haste gets that high automatically. That can be found at BRK (click). And I like Wind Serpent for 10s/5s and Ravager for 25s I guess.

You want to be using a half decent manual rotation ;-)

This question has been answered many times, basically /cast /cast (3:2), even though this bow is fast enough that even with minor haste it does 1:1 (equivalent to a castsequence macro). Especially if you have constant drums rolling in your group Using the 1:1 macro will use a lot less mana when you're completely unhasted and should be doing 3:2, but the 3:2 macro is still recommended AFAIK (it does 1:1 as soon as weapon speed allows it).

Again, answered before (I think this was in a separate thread where the elemental shamans were crying with what turned out to be very good reason, though): if you have an elemental shaman in your raids, bring the Ravager, else bring the Wind Serpent.

Use Cheeky's spreadsheet. The best I can give you are rules of thumb:

ZA [Cloak of Fiends] > [Dory's Embrace]
BT [Shadowmaster's Boots] > BT [Softstep Boots of Tracking] > [Quickstrider Moccasins]
[Dagger of Bad Mojo]x2 > 2x[Blade of Infamy]> [Trollbane] TBH probably the badge weapons (fists, but also the axe I suppose, again, get Cheeky's spreadsheet) are superior to Trollbane.

I get a battle rez whenever possible on dps heavy fights such as Council, which lasts more than 5 minutes. Even though Brut is a short fight, every bit of dps counts and I've been battle rezzed then, too. I consider that 20 hit to be very important so I try to get it in my gear rather than with a food buff and always recommend the same to other hunters who ask about it.

hello guys, ive been wondering this er since i joine htis new guild...my brother is a hunter and he is pretty much geared out..while some other hunter is below on him in gear...once raid time comes along he just somkes him in dps and my brother wonders whats the problem. the macro? they both have the same pets but still the other guys is pulling off 1400dps while my brother is only doin almost 1k at times in DPS...can any hunter help me please in figuring what the problem is?
this is the macro i use:

#showtooltip Steady Shot

/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill command
/cast Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Lightning Breath

Without seeing a WWS log, it's tough to pinpoint what the other guy is doing that your brother is not. That's a pretty generic macro, so I can't imagine it's the cause of a 400 dps gap (that is, there is no macro out there that could possibly outperform that one by 400 dps--even Manito's, while better, won't do that).

The macro that I use? I thought this was your brother?

Anyway, please provide armory links to both so we can judge the perceived gear gap

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Terokkar&n=Helboi...<-----thats mine
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Terokkar&n=Breagi<----his,,,
he seems to have that advantage on some items but still idk whats goin on with me..am i not spamming the button quick enough?...using the trinks at a bad time? experience? idk

no its HAWK..but i mean is there any other macros..or the button cliliking idk what it could be its just wierd..what do u guys think..hes been playin longer than me but ive been playin longer on this too becasue of the badge gear i have..

It could be any number of things. Group setup - maybe he has a better group for him: classes like bm hunter, spriest, enh-shammy, feral druid are nice to team with what classes are you usually stuck with? Are you using your trinkets to full effect (ie stacking buffs from beast within, rapid fire and bloodlust brooch), are you using full elixir (major agi, major mageblood) and weapon enhancements? Is your party using drums? Are you spamming the living out of your macro? Do your shots lock up in any way? (only shooting steadys or autos for multiple times in a row)

Try to get a WWS report where this dps discrepency occurs and it will be easy to see what is the problem.

First of all Hi and Sorry for my English, it isn`t the Best.


I would like to know how you guys think about the +12 Dam Scope. Would it be better then the 28 crit Scope with a BM Specc, when i already hit about 30% Crit unbuffed or More?

Here`s my Armory Link for Equip Questions: The World of Warcraft Armory

It's 12 damage on your autoshots vs ~1.4% crit.
With your bow I Assume you are using a 3:2 rotation so autoshots arent even half of your personal dps.

Simply said: 12 damage is never better than 28 critrating.

That +12 Dam dont react on Weapon Damage and Steady Shot?

It won't apply to arcane shot, but it should apply to steady since it is affected by weapon damage.

Hey guys, I'm a little new to these forums. I've been looking around and just can't seem to find a post about ArP, and I just got both of my Daggers of Bad Mojo. I was wondering what was the useful amount of ArP I should have before I start swapping out items. As of now I have 336 ArP without the badge ring, which will boost me to 462 ArP. What is the amount of ArP I should have when I should start equipping a lot of it? Thanks.

The [Khorium Scope] applies the same rules as ammo bonus damage, ie. it does not apply. Cheeky's spreadsheet models this behavior as well, where using a 1:1 rotation and equiping adds 6dps compared to no scope at all.

First off thanks for all the info about hunters and other classes. I usually find what I need here. I finally spec'd BM from MM. In my old spec I had 3 points in surefooted so my HR was capped, but now that I'm 41/20 my HR is low. I was wondering if you guys could give me some advice in my gems and possible some gear. Here is my armory:

The World of Warcraft Armory

Currently my guild is raiding SSC/TK so thats the limits of my gear.

Question -

Would a ravager with bite and gore be better than a ravager with claw and gore?

@nameless:
You want to get to 142 hit. First, I would recommend looking at using [Spicy Hot Talbuk] for raiding, then you are only looking at 122 hit to cap. Consider replacing your +8 crit gems with +4 hit +4 agility gems instead, same applies to those +8ap +4 crit gems.

To be honest, you should really re-evaluate your gem selections in general. This is where you should really consult Cheeky's spreadsheet, but generally speaking, try to avoid raw AP gems and mp5 gems (granted 20 ap is probably a bit better than 8 agility, but a 16 ap gem. for example would not be). I notice you have a +10 agility gem in your helm, which is of course nice, but I hope you didnt spend badges on it, because the badge gear will be very nice upgrades for you.

Also, I see you have arena teams - play them. The s3 and s4 gear comes with a nice amount of hit and the helm is excellent up until sunwell.


@Jonnydanger24: Ravagers cant learn claw. Even if they could, bite would be better, as claw and gore are both focus dumps and you dont want to claw instead of gore, gore being the superior pet ability.