Agility is the end all be all stat for raiding BM hunters imo. I don't know what progression you're raiding but if you do all the things that have been suggested with enchants and gems you could potentially gain 66 agility alone, and if you upgraded your rings that currently have no agility you'd be in an even better position. It's always assumed you're getting kings if you're raiding, which ups your ap and crit, which leads to more crits and more pet focus regen resulting in more dps for you.

As for haste you could definitely use some, and any piece of haste gear you could get would most likely be an upgrade over what you have atm. Just trust us when we say that going for more agility is better for you than socketing for +3 crit or something in the long run.

@Santipants

Thank you for the advice. I actually don't raid much (career, wife, kids, studying).
Most of my gear (like you can't tell) was acquired via PvP (arena or BGs), and because I was focused on PvPing, I chased all the crit gear/gems I could.

I am beginning to acquire agi & haste gear.

I'm a hunter new to BM, I've always been the survival hunter from my guild, and ever since we started looking at recruiting a new survival hunter, I have been keeping my eye on BM. I just did so tonight, which is my first time as a beast master spec. As always, there are problems.

The first thing I found depressing was that my dps was not up to par as I hoped it would be. I use a 1:1 rotation, which i'm sure all BM hunters do. I regemmed several items to make the hit cap, as the mask from ZJ just won't drop for me. I just want to know, before I proceed with looking at the finer details of my raid performances, whether there is anything wrong with the gear I'm currently using. Thanks.

Side note : I usually pull a consistent 1.2-1.4k dps as SV on raid bosses, except on fights such as anetheron. I went to hSP tonight to try out the spec, and I pulled a dissapointing 1k dps on the first 2 bosses, whereas as sv I would usually hit 1.1k or 1.2k unbuffed. As such, I decided I would need quite a bit of help.

@Windarrow

The problem is less your gear, which is really good, and more your rotation. You should be using a 3:2 rotation in a macro such as Manito's. BM hopes for a 1:1 rotation through haste, but doesn't macro one as it clips autos really badly, especially with your attack speed.

@grim4o4

Thanks. I've been dealing with SV through my whole hunter post 70 career, so I don't really know what kind of stats are the 'better' stats for BM. What kind of stats would be ideal for a BM hunter to be carrying, moving into mid BT? I just set up the macro, it feels much better than what I was trying before, certainly an amazing macro. 1.89~ auto is the ideal 1:1 speed? Which would mean about 100 haste I think.

As to stats, use Cheeky's spreadsheet to get a better idea. (Generally you tend to gear much the same way as a SV hunter)

To weapon speeds for rotations: It's a very situational thing and varies highly depending on your weapon speed, latency, how many drummers you have, if you have a DST, etc. Generally this is the type of thing that is best dealt with by going out and testing it. There are rough guides to haste caps for certain weapon speeds, but depending on your latency you might have to have less haste to avoid mangling your rotation.

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t11420-h...47/#post746357 is a good bit of info from the haste discussion

I thinked some about a BM until Kindred Spirits, and then MM, but i'm not in PTR, and cant test this.

hello fellow hunters

i got some problems with my dps, basicly its low and i cant figure out whats causing this and im not that strong in theocraft or what ever its called

is my ignore armory to low, haste to low/high? crit too low? wrong macro? maybe im in group with wrong people since i usually get leftovers and then i dont get group buffs during the boss (i quess its because of low dps, i dont know)

stats itself looks decent, well i think

im using 1:1 macro
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castsequence reset=target/combat Steady Shot, !Auto Shot;
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Lightning Breath
/Script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

and for speed buffs i use these macros:
#showtooltip Drums of Battle
/use Berserker's Call
/cast Bestial Wrath
/use Drums of Battle

20sec later
#showtooltip Rapid Fire
/use Rapid Fire
/use Bloodlust Brooch


i have tried to use the cheeky cheets too but even there i got higher dps then in actual raid

my armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory

Teron WWS stats
Wow Web Stats

some help would be good

I'm no hunter expert but it looks like you missed an opportunity to pop TBW and Rapid Fire a 2nd time for Teron. I'm fairly sure that using Drums activates the GCD, so you'd have to hit your macro twice to make sure you pop all your cooldowns.

Huntalicious, you should not be using a 1:1 macro anymore, it is so 2.3 (ie. outdated). You should start using a 3:2 macro. Also your crit rating is probably too low to be using a wind serpent, I would imagine you would see better results with a ravager. I suppose you could regem the yellow gems in chest and belt (+10 hit, +10ap, +5 crit) to both be +5 agility, +5 hit, but that is somewhat minor.

You missed out on one rapid fire and one bloodlust use, so those would help also. Personally, I am not a big fan of macroing in haste buffs with other buffs, as depending on procs, you may not be getting the most use out of them (ie. if IAotH procs, then stacking Rapid Fire is not going to help much)

thanks for the replays,
regemmed the items and got this macro

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/cast !Auto shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast Steady shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

should be 3:2

and took back my old ravanger, i was using serpent because guildy recommended this, i told him that serpents are good if u have like 30%+ crit but he told me 27% is enough, with raid buffs i get about 26-29% and if lucky, up to 35% with leader of the pack was the spell i tihnk

Your gear looks relatively good, the only thing I would say is your crit % is a bit on the low side.

Looking at your wws it seems like your average damage on crits and hits as well as your crit % should be higher while raid buffed. This leads me to believe there is some issue with the raid composition and buffs.

What consumables are you using? What is the typical group that you get thrown in? What kind of buffs do you get/not get?

Your raid composition is heavily favored towards caster DPS so unfortunately you're not getting a lot of synergy from your fellows. One thing that strikes me as odd is that your crit percentage on Teron was quite a bit lower than your paper doll crit percentage.

got some new gear past few days and today we did 7 bosses in BT
Wow Web Stats - died on teron and mother in mid fight

standard buffs what i have been using are Flask of Relentless Assault and Grilled Mudfish and Superior Mana Oil and haste potions if fight doesnt require lot of healing and sometimes kiblers bit for pet
and pet is usually resist specced (fire/shadow instead of armory and stam)

and raid buffs depends on other raiders, kings/might and sometimes wisdom etc. quite standard buffs (should able to see in wws) it gets my ap to about 2,6-2,7k

but if my crit is low, should i change some agi or this lonely blue gem to crit?
got t6 shoulders too today, so theres yellow and blue gem slot, so i have been thinking to but 10hit (gets me to 139hit) and 5agi/7stam
or yellow crit gem and 5CritRaiting/7stam and take away some hit gem from some other slot give crit there too and instead of agi food ill eat 20hit food for example, this should take me to 144 hit

and on group position it depends who we can bring, sometimes im in melee grp for drums what i bring i think, sometimes with priests, i dont know, its quite random


my so called personal record have been about 1.6k+ on halazzi and rage winterchill long time ago so this made me wonder why i cant even reach to this with better gear

@Huntalicious

I reckon to improve your crit you should look to replace certain gems, like the 10AP 2mp5 one, to a 5 agi 7 stam purple. In raids you might want to look at using major agility/major mageblood elixirs instead of flasks to improve crit, in addition to agi food, such as grilled mudfish or warp burgers.

Looking at your gear, crit can be milked easy in the following departments by purchasing badge gear : hands, legs, bracers. I'm not saying your gear isn't good, it's very much better than what most hunters have.

1)Gauntlets of rapidity(expense of haste)
2)Leggings of the pursuit(expense of 5 hit),
3)Master Assassin's Wristwraps(10 crit rating gem with 2 crit rating bonus, 18 crit rating on the item brings it to a whopping 30 crit rating, at the loss of 10AP or so).

Just juggle your gear and reach a certain balance between crit/AP/hit that you like.

this looks exactly like the problem I am having too.
To prevent double posting, I'd like you to visit thread at: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t15179-h...e_please/p151/
and see if my situation is similar to yours.

@Huntalicious

One thing I noticed while looking at the wws is that you commonly apply a hunter's mark towards the beginning of the fight and don't refresh it. Hunter's mark will reach it's maximum AP buff of 440 after 30 shots (roughly 40s) and will stay at 440 as long as it is refreshed before it falls off. So in a fight like Teron that is 4.5 minutes, the last 2.5 minutes you are missing 440 AP that you could have had. Refreshing it after it falls off is bad as well since the stack resets and you have to spend another 30 shots to get it back to full.

As others have said, stack your strongest buffs (Berserker's, and BW) with rapid fire rather than drums and burn them as early as possible so that you can use them more during the fight.

Lastly, your raid has enough physical DPS to warrant use of Curse of Recklessness by one of the warlocks. The increase in raid DPS (probably about 60-100 DPS per physical DPS class), not to mention the extra threat produced by the tanks will outweigh the warlock's personal DPS gain from using curse of doom. This is of course as long as the tank can handle the extra damage and if you can convince one of the warlocks to actually do it.

He was the only hunter on the all of the fights save one of the chances at Mother Shahraz.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here right away and say you're using some horrible macro or trying to manually weave. looking at Naj (because this is the best tank and spank that you didn't die on), you have almost a perfect 1:1. That shouldn't be happening. I see strings of 2 or 3 auto-shots in a row in your log, too. You need to check out the /cast /cast macros throughout this thread (or google Manito's macro).

Also, you had some pretty horrible luck on crit rates, so that's a bit of it.

thanks for the help

I used 3:2 macro on these 7 bosses since Faerdael suggested not to use 1:1 because its outdated and 3:2 goes to 1:1 with lots of haste effects

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/cast !Auto shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast Steady shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

I got manito 3:2 macro yesterday but i haven't raid with that yet

With 3.0.2 Dropping on our laps in a few days, and the lack of Auto Shot clipping it brings, does that mean we can drop !Auto Shot from these macros now?

/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast Steady shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

This would I think just spam Steady Shot and give us Kill Command whenever it comes up, and the other shots Arcane Shot etc., could be done manually. Also does this make the Manito macro obsolete now?

EDIT: I used this one on the PTR, not sure if there is much difference with the one posted above:

/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

Yes and yes (although I found Manito's obsolete a long time ago). The only difference between the two macros you posted is the addition of the sound clears in the second. It prevents the "that spell is not ready yet" verbal spam.

With our pets doing more and more damage with the upcoming patch, armor ignore doesn't seem to be as useful considering our pets were doing roughly 20% of our damage and are now doing about 50%. Just a quick question, do our pets benefit from armor ignore on our gear by chance?