Beast Mastery Bible - Page 273

Barradin · 08/20/08, 11:41 AM

Wythel is correct regarding what x means in the castsequence macro.

practically though, if you have autoshot first in the castsequence, keep a higher reset (3 or so) and if steady is first, keep a lower one (about 1). The reason is feign death. If you hit FD after the first shot in the sequence you'll want to be able to shoot the second immediately afterwards. if auto is first then keep the reset high so that the macro doesn't reset while you're hitting the FD button and, thus, can shoot the steady shot right away when you get up. If auto is second then keep the reset low so that the macro DOES reset... otherwise when you hit the macro after FD you'll stand there doing nothing until your autoshot is ready to go again (because that's the next shot that should be going off according to the sequence).

This is all moot since there's really no reason to be using the castsequence macro anymore anyways... even if you're trying to weave a 1:1.5.

Tierlac · 08/21/08, 12:36 AM

Being that there are over 160 pages of info, I've tried to peruse some of the pages prior to this so forgive me if this has been covered. Our guild is currently in Black Temple and Mount Hyjal. Some of the hunters have different thoughts about which stats should be focused on. I run Rawr to look at gear upgrades for them and an issue had popped up about one of the items which sparked the debate. One of our members has Berserker's Call which in Rawr is listed pretty high, now he feels that the Madness of the Betrayer is a much better upgrade. Which stat besides hit of course should be concentrated on before moving on to others such as haste and armor penetration? I run a Survival build for the Expose Weakness so I'm a little out of touch with Beast Masters. I've entered in other gear even to the point of maxing out his Armor Penetration, yet the result's are almost always the same being that the Berserker's Call is always a better upgrade.

*I edited this post because I accidentally said that Rawr said that Madness was better then Berserker, but in fact it was the other way around.

Squinky001 · 08/21/08, 1:07 AM

Originally Posted by Tierlac

Being that there are over 160 pages of info, I've tried to peruse some of the pages prior to this so forgive me if this has been covered. Our guild is currently in Black Temple and Mount Hyjal. Some of the hunters have different thoughts about which stats should be focused on. I run Rawr to look at gear upgrades for them and an issue had popped up about one of the items which sparked the debate. One of our members has Berserker's Call which in Rawr is listed pretty high, now he feels that the Madness of the Betrayer is a much better upgrade. Which stat besides hit of course should be concentrated on before moving on to others such as haste and armor penetration? I run a Survival build for the Expose Weakness so I'm a little out of touch with Beast Masters. I've entered in other gear even to the point of maxing out his Armor Penetration, yet the result's are almost always the same being that the Madness of the Betrayer is always a better upgrade.

It really depends on your gear. The best thing to do is put your gear, shot rotation, buffs, etc into Cheeky's spreadsheet and go from there. (It's a really nice tool for seeing what's the best upgrade at the moment as well as what your ideal upgrades would be)

For example, if I recall correctly for me personally Berserker's is better than Madness right now, but with some of the upgrades I want (which are ArP heavy) Madness becomes better. (Of course, this is moot in my case, as Zerker hasn't dropped for me yet, and we've seen precious few Madnesses.)

Barradin · 08/21/08, 11:29 AM

Tierlac,

I'd definitely keep zerker as 1 of your 2 trinket options. What's the other trinket you'd pair either madness or zerker with? There's a good chance that using them together would be the best bet too.

It's beserker's 'on use' ability that makes it so good... even better than what the spreadsheet would say (as it, by default, averages the 'on use' ability). By timing zerker with RF and TBW you get huge multiplicative bonuses which is why people typically keep Bloodlust brooch well into the end of the game (often until it's replaced by the ZJ trinket).

This might not go for Sunwell, but until then I'd probably stick with one 'on use' trinket and one other.

Azurei · 08/21/08, 11:47 AM

I'm confused about the Attribute -> DPS section of the 'Settings and Results' tab. I assume that I use the DPS column of that table instead of the 'Per Item Budget' for Pawn, Lootzor, etc. correct?

Here's what my section shows below:

Attribute         DPS      Per Item Budget
Agility + 1       0.396    0.396
AP + 1	         0.201    0.401
Crit + 1	         0.353    0.353
Hit + 1	         0.395    0.395
Int + 1	         0.000    0.000
Armor Pen + 1     0.026    0.184
Haste + 1         0.187    0.187
0 +Hit value      0.394    0.394

So I put the DPS section into Loot Rank for WoW (after adding Ranged DPS: 1, correct?) and it tells me that Merciless Gladiator's Crossbow of the Phoenix is #3 on my list and Don Santos' Famous Hunting Rifle is like #26 BUT... when I put them both into the spreadsheet, the Hunting Rifle gets me ~+10DPS more than the Crossbow. Is that purely from the speed difference or am I using the AEPs wrong or ?!??

Thanks for the help.

mako · 08/21/08, 11:50 AM

Change the shot rotation to 3:2 when you select the pvp bows.

Azurei · 08/21/08, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by mako

Change the shot rotation to 3:2 when you select the pvp bows.

I tried all the rotations when I selected each weapon and the best rotation for both was 1:1.X with Arcane.

956 Current
993 Merciless
1005 Don Santos

Any ideas?

Grah · 08/25/08, 10:14 AM

Our guild is just beginning Brutallus and I'm concerned about our DPS numbers especially our BM hunters. I have reviewed Cheeky's and countless WWS reports, and at our gear level our hunters just don't seem to be putting up the numbers. I may be wrong, but 1-1300 DPS seems consistently low.

Here are a few WWS reports:

Naj'entus, Supremus, Shade, Gorefiend, RoS, Bloodboil

Bloodboil, Mother, Council, Illidan, Winterchill, Anetheron

Winterchill, Anetheron, Kazrogal, Azgalor, Archimonde, SWP

Am I not looking at the correct data here? What fights should I be looking at to get an indication of the kind of DPS I should be seeing from my Beast Master hunter? What constructive comments can I make to them without angering them even more?

Any help would be appreciated.

Shandara · 08/25/08, 10:34 AM

Judging by the WWS from Teron Gorefiend (the only fight to really compare with Brutalis) and other fights, your hunter has a very meager group setup usually. The only buff he got during Teron was Battleshout. No heroisms, no totems, nothing..

Give him a more friendly dps group and you might see different results.

KergeKacsa · 08/25/08, 11:03 AM

Btw, he seems a little 'lazy'. (Looking at his trash-damage. Ok, thats not boss, but it shows the player's will.)
On Teron his dps is not SO bad, but on Naj'entus, on Bloodboil, on Winterchill and maybe on Supremus, he should improve his dps heavily.

He use 1:1 as I see, but he has no haste so try to get some haste (like below) or try 3:2 rotation.

He should get some gear upgrade:
Bow-stiched leggings from Azgalor
Quickstriders mokassins from Anetheron (or better: Softstep Boots of Tracking from Teron)
Bindings os the lightning reflexes (crafted)
The blade of harbringers (from badges)
Crossbow of relentless strikes (from badges)

Enchants and gems are ok for him.

And, like the previous poster said: give some love to hunters.

(Agi totem, bloodlust, if u got enough shaman, drums of battle, Ferocious Inspiration, Trueshot Aura, etc.)
In our guild we got from 1 to 3 hunters in the raid, and the BM's (2) are almost always in the Top5. (If pet can dps (Not Archimonda), don't need to kill adds (like Anetheron), and dont need real burst dmg (Like Akama himself and RoS last phase.)

Sarutobi · 08/25/08, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by KergeKacsa

He use 1:1 as I see, but he has no haste so try to get some haste (like below) or try 3:2 rotation.

From looking at Gorefiend he was definitely trying to use a 3:2 roatation, but he's attempting to mix arcane shot in there (higher mana usage, lower damage) which he shouldn't be doing in a 3:2 rotation, along with a few instances of steady chaining. He could also do a better job of cooldown management. For a fight that's lasting between 3 and 4 minutes (kill was ~3:55) he should be able to get a second rapid fire in there, and should be saving his BW cooldown for when it comes up the second time. Clean up the rotation a bit and give him some group synergy and he'll be fine.

Faerdael · 08/25/08, 11:44 AM

I notice that he didn't need to use any mana potions (JoW can do this for a hunter), yet also didn't use and Haste Pots in lieu of this. Also, may as well use Fel Sharpening Stone over Superior Mana oil if it can be done without needing to mana pot. Those are easy improvements to make on Brut.

Gear-wise, there can be some improvements made. I see 3 purple gems in the gear, one of which is in a red socket. T5 pants can go; bow-stitched or badge pants would be marked improvements (forget about the T6). He is running at 2.17 auto shot speed, which is fairly slow for the 3:2 rotation (wonder if chaining steadies is happening). Speeding up that would be a good idea, via some haste gear or a faster bow. If I was in that position, I would switch the melee weapon to the Blade of Harbingers from badges and use some hit food in raids (in fact, I have done just that), also the craftable bracers if you have the hearts. Otherwise, as he is a bit over the hit cap, there may be better options that Tsunami Talisman now. Beserker's Call or Ashtounge trinket may be the way to go.

eilirris · 08/25/08, 12:45 PM

I am wondering what weapons to shoot for; I am cookie cutter BM, and have been farming for two daggers of bad mojo. Someone recently suggested that I get the badge Blade of Harbingers instead; I've compared stats, and it seems the major difference is the 53 haste vs armor ignore. Obviously, this isnt the ONLY difference, but its the major one. Please discuss!

[The Blade of Harbingers]
[Dagger of Bad Mojo]

mako · 08/25/08, 12:54 PM

In your case I'd go with two daggers of bad mojo since you're already around 2.0 speed. 2.07 is the ideal speed for 3:2 if you have 0 latency, but that's not possible so getting as close to 2.0 as possible should yield good results. Going faster you'd want a lot more than just 53 haste for hitting 1:1.

(On a side note, why the 15 stam gem in your belt? You could go with 10 agi and socket a green in your pants to get the bonus while meeting meta requirements)

Corain · 08/25/08, 2:01 PM

Our guild is just beginning Brutallus and I'm concerned about our DPS numbers especially our BM hunters. I have reviewed Cheeky's and countless WWS reports, and at our gear level our hunters just don't seem to be putting up the numbers. I may be wrong, but 1-1300 DPS seems consistently low.

He might want to take a look at pet uptime/DPS time.

For example: On the Naj fight his pet was around for only about 36% of it. Looks like it died twice. He probably spent a good chunk of mana rezzing it and not shooting. Then he was low on mana and had to Viper. That impacts his DPS.

On Bloodboil, similiar story: pet only DPS'd about 1/3 of the time. Died at least once. It can be hard to keep pets up if they eat the AOE spit. Impossible with just Mend Pet.

On Supremus, his pet action also looks low to me.

He may be spending too much DPSing without his (dead) pet or rezzing it. That may well be because he has no Chain Heals coming in on Melee to help keep his pet up. You may wish to consider some healy shaman love; I didn't see a resto in your raid.

Good luck.