Beast Mastery Bible - Page 281

Heenk · 11/24/08, 1:05 PM

This is the spec you are referring to: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

3/5 Imp Tracking yields more dps than 3/3 Imp Stings, but personally I wonder if the 2 points in Rapid Killing wouldn't be better spent maxing Imp Tracking.

Mattaos · 11/24/08, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by JaclynRA

Check out the new thread Mattaos started for 3.0 BM http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t34855-h...y_bible_3_0_a/

I had requested the other thread be unlocked so I could update the first page, but I guess this thread will work for topical discussions too. My only fear with using this thread is that the majority of the information is severely out dated and may confuse people doing searches, which could lead to even more "dumb" questions.

Schniepel · 11/25/08, 4:48 AM

Originally Posted by Bikiniwax

So what is the new DPS king for BM Hunters? Is it 54/14/3?

Is this it? Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

What about dropping Improved Tracking and taking Imp. Stings+Glyphs (Steady Shot, Serpent Sting glyphs). Is this an improvement over 54/14/3?

I am currently using this variant of 54/17/0: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Since I am far from being hitcapped I was wondering if moving 3 points from Mortal Shots to Focussed Aim would be a net dps increase? And does the hit bonus from Focused Aim apply to the pet as well?

Gaahl · 11/25/08, 4:48 AM

I just spec'd this 54/14/3 after seeing a dps increase with it in the new spreadsheet. Going to give it a shot for awhile.

Qwivoth · 11/25/08, 6:47 AM

Originally Posted by Mattaos

I had requested the other thread be unlocked so I could update the first page, but I guess this thread will work for topical discussions too. My only fear with using this thread is that the majority of the information is severely out dated and may confuse people doing searches, which will lead to even more "dumb" questions.

Fixed in bold. I concur with the above statement and add my request to it also. This particular thread should be archived.

samfisher · 11/25/08, 8:25 AM

I don't want to sift through hundreds of pages of info... So I think I'm gonna sit by the sidelines from this page on and wait for someone else to ask the burning question, Exotic > Readiness ?

Vegelus · 11/25/08, 8:27 AM

Originally Posted by Schniepel

I am currently using this variant of 54/17/0: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Since I am far from being hitcapped I was wondering if moving 3 points from Mortal Shots to Focussed Aim would be a net dps increase? And does the hit bonus from Focused Aim apply to the pet as well?

Imo it should be dps increase, as Focused Aim apply to the pet as well. And to all of our attacks, not only specials.

Byuu · 11/25/08, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Heenk

This is the spec you are referring to: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

3/5 Imp Tracking yields more dps than 3/3 Imp Stings, but personally I wonder if the 2 points in Rapid Killing wouldn't be better spent maxing Imp Tracking.

We just did some testing with steady glyph, and it seems as if imp stings bugs this glyph. we didnt get the 10% damage with 3/3 stings.. gm said its a known bug.

King-Slide · 11/25/08, 11:29 AM

would someone mind to explain me why everybody is going for rapid killing and focused > careful aim?

according to the spreadsheet and assuming cat > trex, i end up with 54/17/0 as max dps build with the highest time til oom. what am i doing wrong?

Æthien · 11/25/08, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by samfisher

I don't want to sift through hundreds of pages of info... So I think I'm gonna sit by the sidelines from this page on and wait for someone else to ask the burning question, Exotic > Readiness ?

If I'm not mistaken, exotics haven't yet been buffed, and that will happen in 3.1.
So right now i very much doubt that exotics are worth it.

mako · 11/25/08, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by King-Slide

would someone mind to explain me why everybody is going for rapid killing and focused > careful aim?

according to the spreadsheet and assuming cat > trex, i end up with 54/17/0 as max dps build with the highest time til oom. what am i doing wrong?

4% crit on steady shot seems like a trivial increase when you have neither cobra strikes or mortal shots to benefit from critting. Likewise, invigoration loses a significant amount of it's power without cobra strikes at current gear levels.

Gorektar · 11/25/08, 11:46 AM

I've been scanning through recent Naxx WWS reports, and it seems that everyone is using either a cat or a raptor, but nobody is using a scorpid. I've been using my scorpid for a while now, and it seems to do very good damage. With my trinkets and BW popped, the poison is ticking for 3.5k at some points. Are there any hard calculations on the scaling of scorpid poison? My damage ratio is almost exactly 50:50 with my pet, and its not uncommon for my pet to pull over 2k dps. I guess my real question is: Is there a point (likely an AP value) where the cat passes the scorpid, or the scorpid passes the cat, and how far can I trust the DPS spreadsheet for pet dps?

King-Slide · 11/25/08, 11:54 AM

rapid killing only reduces rapid fire cd.

careful aim gives me 280 ap before raidbuffs. that's roughly 93,3 AP per talentpoint or 46,7 Points@Itembudget which is far more than focused aim.

@gorektar
i don't know the exact numbers, but at 70 cat and scorpid were comparable and afterwards the cat pulled off cause of ferocity talents.
there's still a niche for your scorpid. it should be the highest dps tenacity pet, when roar of sacrifice is needed

bomzix · 11/25/08, 12:02 PM

I'm kind lost on BM right now:

When I planned my specc it seemed obvious: 51/18 with 2 pts free

No clue where o place them for max effect but Mortal strikes, Go for the Throat and Carefull Aim seemed Obvious both in power and flexibility gear-wise

But suddenly I see speccs with Cobra Strikes and Invigoration, some with frenzy not maxed. It's 5 pts and it's a hard choice.

I've just hit 80 and I had severe mana problems in instances and was usually forced to use Viper every other trash pull and even on some bosses but that just means I do less dmg for a bit, are 5 pts worth some more mana regen? Or is it a LOT of mana regen?

Can someone explain plz? It's not obvious or clear-cut, most hunters I see don't spec into those talents, not both anyway...

Thx in advance,
Bomzix

Mattaos · 11/25/08, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by bomzix

I'm kind lost on BM right now:

When I planned my specc it seemed obvious: 51/18 with 2 pts free

No clue where o place them for max effect but Mortal strikes, Go for the Throat and Carefull Aim seemed Obvious both in power and flexibility gear-wise

But suddenly I see speccs with Cobra Strikes and Invigoration, some with frenzy not maxed. It's 5 pts and it's a hard choice.

I've just hit 80 and I had severe mana problems in instances and was usually forced to use Viper every other trash pull and even on some bosses but that just means I do less dmg for a bit, are 5 pts worth some more mana regen? Or is it a LOT of mana regen?

Can someone explain plz? It's not obvious or clear-cut, most hunters I see don't spec into those talents, not both anyway...

Thx in advance,
Bomzix

2 quick words of advise to point you in the right direction going forward.

1. Search the threads (all the WotLK related threads) for specific terms that pertain to the ability/talent/skill/etc... you are confused about. You will be amazed at the amount of information that readily available to you that covers 80% of the things you posted.

2. Use (not tamper with) the spreadsheet. Learn to use and love it. It is best tool available to a hunter without being in-game to do accurate testing on specific areas of our class. It will be a major assistance in determining upgrades, specs and rotations (though BM doesn't really have a rotation).

If you use these 2 tips, you will begin to answer your own questions.