Beast Mastery Bible - Page 49

Sapa · 06/01/07, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by The Iron Colonel

As for scorpids, has anyone verified they work with stormstrike? Remember, it's the buffs that are up when you apply the first stack of poison - if it does work with storm strike, you could easily top 600 damage / tick. Pop TBW, AP trinkets, get a shaman to put up stormstrike, stack poison. Tada, massive dot damage. Of course, you may have to refresh it on a new target and save your cooldowns for that, but nonetheless...

Will test when i come home. (got some 70 enh shaman hidden away on another acc)

List of stuff to consider:
Stormstrike, Misery, Totem of ???(spellpower one), Nightfall proc (1 prot tank uses it when 1 tank is enough), FI, Sanctity Aura

Anyone got any other idea? Power Infusion (lol)?

Hmmm:
http://www.thottbot.com/s24587 - rank4 40damage/10sec (5ticks)
http://www.thottbot.com/s27060 - rank5 44damage/8sec (4ticks)

Since CD on skill is 4sec, can this mean that scorpid might NOT update poison on 8th second due lag?

0.0 apply poison 1
4.0 miss poison 2
8.0 apply poison 2!

Huh. Definitely must test this.

Reipin Pillage · 06/01/07, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Ladwenae

Hmm.
Rank 5: Pet Level 64 (29 TP). Inflicts 44 Nature damage over 8 sec. Effect can stack up to 5 times on a single target.

What am I missing here, 44 damage over 8 seconds is 5.5 DPS, so a grand total of 220 damage over 8 seconds if 5 stacks on, or 27.5 DPS

I had a scorpid a while back and from what I remember it did the damage the description say and it wasnt improved with pets spell modifiers, might be wrong tho.

And.. I am so annoyed by only having 3 stable slots, I have boar, owl and WS atm and all are loyalty lvl 6 and 70 and I really hate the idea to have to lvl a pet up from 63 ><

I assume you are missing the spell dmg from RAP, the 20% extra damage from talents, and the 50% from Beastial Wrath/TBW and the 3% from FI.

EDIT: BTW when I say assuming, I mean it. I am not the math type ;p

Sienna · 06/01/07, 11:07 AM

About pet dps I've been taking my wind serpent to blasted lands every day and testing dps, at PTR and now at live. With spamming KC my wind serpent does around 370-380 dps and this is not sometimes, this is all the time. But it's against a lvl 52 mob and although the crit chance of pet seems to be within the expected limits, dodge/parry/miss doesn't occur a lot. On the other hand the pet is unbuffed.

Fenrus · 06/01/07, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Ladwenae

And.. I am so annoyed by only having 3 stable slots, I have boar, owl and WS atm and all are loyalty lvl 6 and 70 and I really hate the idea to have to lvl a pet up from 63 ><

Not sure if you're specifically talking about leveling a scorpid here, but there are level 69 ones in SMV.

At any rate, I find it hard to fathom how making pets so difficult to level makes the game better in any way. I understand that Blizzard wants you to carefully think about what pet you select, but I've always felt that having to level loyalty is enough of a penalty for getting a new pet. For quite some time Blizzard has been making nebulous comments about "looking into pets" or some such, but it's wearing a little thin.

skodder · 06/01/07, 11:12 AM

See my next post

skodder · 06/01/07, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Ladwenae

Hmm.
Rank 5: Pet Level 64 (29 TP). Inflicts 44 Nature damage over 8 sec. Effect can stack up to 5 times on a single target.

What am I missing here, 44 damage over 8 seconds is 5.5 DPS, so a grand total of 220 damage over 8 seconds if 5 stacks on, or 27.5 DPS

I had a scorpid a while back and from what I remember it did the damage the description say and it wasnt improved with pets spell modifiers, might be wrong tho.

And.. I am so annoyed by only having 3 stable slots, I have boar, owl and WS atm and all are loyalty lvl 6 and 70 and I really hate the idea to have to lvl a pet up from 63 ><

Each apply of poison recieves full bonus of the spelldamage applied from your ranged attack power; meaning one poison will tick for 60-61 dam for me with approx. 1800 RAP

Its pretty easy to get the poison to tick for 300-500 damaged when 5 poisons is applied, depending on Bestial Wrath, trinkets etc.

There's lvl 68-69 scorpions north of the Aldor flight point in Shadowmoon Valley, so leveling shouldnt be that hard.

I was also pretty surprised when I noticed that Scorpid Poison is not a spell as I assumed, but a melee attack. I guess it means a big deal for uptime on bosses (assuming that if it had been a spell it would have a 18% resist rate).

Also I don't think that its able to refresh it self after 8 sec if the poison after 4 sec was missed, so if its missed you'll loose all 5 poisons :S

The lvl 69 scorpions come with rank 5 fire resistance. Wondering if it will keep the 140 fr if you retrain the pet?

Sapa · 06/01/07, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Fenrus

For quite some time Blizzard has been making nebulous comments about "looking into pets" or some such, but it's wearing a little thin.

Hihi, maybe someone did poke around pets. Scorpid atleast

That being new, im thinking about checking "old" pets again. Gorila TClap, Dragonhawk fire, Serpents spit come in mind and flashes a memory of seeing those things quite some patches or even expansion ago

Blizz has knack to forget to put "candy" in patch notes.

No raid tonight, lots of work to do

Howitzer · 06/01/07, 11:28 AM

wtf are you guys saying here that scorps are > cats? That just CAN'T BE!!!!!? Hell, I'd use a ravager if anything but I'm too lazy to level one.

Bloodwrath · 06/01/07, 11:37 AM

So i went out n grabbed the scorpid... It is possible to get that poison ticking for 600+ for a long time here's what u do (grab a friendly healer for testing)

Have the scorpid autoattack until ferocious inspiration procs
Activate all your attack power cooldowns and bestial wrath
Autocast Scorpid Poison
Gaze in amazement...

635 poison ticks for me with Scorpid kept up for about 30 seconds on a priest til the bugger dodged, Seeing as it is hit or miss rather than resistance based scorpid poison will do large amounts of damage. I havent had a chance to test this with more than one hunter but i believe that two scorpid pets could keep this ticking indefinitely on boss fights. While only one hunter would be accredited the damage at the end of the fight the boost in dps from just that one scorpid poison might be large enough to make it viable. Hotfix incoming

Just a thought: Misery, Totem of Wrath, Stormstrike, Drums of Battle will all amplify the damage from it

Sapa · 06/01/07, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Bloodwrath

So i went out n grabbed the scorpid... It is possible to get that poison ticking for 600+ for a long time here's what u do (grab a friendly healer for testing)

Have the scorpid autoattack until ferocious inspiration procs
Activate all your attack power cooldowns and bestial wrath
Autocast Scorpid Poison
Gaze in amazement...

635 poison ticks for me with Scorpid kept up for about 30 seconds on a priest til the bugger dodged, Seeing as it is hit or miss rather than resistance based scorpid poison will do large amounts of damage. I havent had a chance to test this with more than one hunter but i believe that two scorpid pets could keep this ticking indefinitely on boss fights. While only one hunter would be accredited the damage at the end of the fight the boost in dps from just that one scorpid poison might be large enough to make it viable. Hotfix incoming

Did priest dodge 1x or 2x in a row? I can't get to wow atm. But please train scorpid with rank4 and test again if you can

Reipin Pillage · 06/01/07, 11:43 AM

They are hotfixing Misdirect!?

I told my friend who is survival to try out the scorpid and he had it ticking for, direct quote "yeah, I can get the poison to max out at 250 pretty regularly without hitting any trinkets or anything".

Bloodwrath are you saying that each scorpid does not have their own stack of poison? If there are two scorpid pets they will share the same stack of poison?

Bloodwrath · 06/01/07, 11:52 AM

Sapa: The priest only dodged that one time but the poison got re-applied after the last tick so any dodge of the poison and its gone - gonna make it pretty difficult to keep stacked on bosses solo which leads me to
Reipin: Yes i believe that's the case from tests back when they first got poison but it was a long time ago please feel free to prove me wrong :P

Glaurong · 06/01/07, 12:37 PM

Man, they need to find more stuff to keep me busy with at work. I wrote a really simple Java simulator for Scorpid Poison.

Results for a 5.6% miss chance:

Attempted applications:		1000000
Successful applications:	943975
Missed applications:		56025
Stack drop count:		52926
Average stack count:		4.455918
Tics at 5/5 stack:		1582584.0
Time at 5/5 stack:		0.791292
Tics at 4/5 stack:		94180.0
Time at 4/5 stack:		0.04709
Tics at 3/5 stack:		99894.0
Time at 3/5 stack:		0.049947
Tics at 2/5 stack:		105370.0
Time at 2/5 stack:		0.052685
Tics at 1/5 stack:		111774.0
Time at 1/5 stack:		0.055887
Tics at 0/5 stack:		6198.0
Time at 0/5 stack:		0.003099

Results for a 10% miss chance:

Attempted applications:		1000000
Successful applications:	900712
Missed applications:		99288
Stack drop count:		89450
Average stack count:		4.060437
Tics at 5/5 stack:		1303770.0
Time at 5/5 stack:		0.651885
Tics at 4/5 stack:		143084.0
Time at 4/5 stack:		0.071542
Tics at 3/5 stack:		159536.0
Time at 3/5 stack:		0.079768
Tics at 2/5 stack:		177146.0
Time at 2/5 stack:		0.088573
Tics at 1/5 stack:		196788.0
Time at 1/5 stack:		0.098394
Tics at 0/5 stack:		19676.0
Time at 0/5 stack:		0.009838

Results for a 15% miss chance:

Attempted applications:		1000000
Successful applications:	850451
Missed applications:		149549
Stack drop count:		127016
Average stack count:		3.629978
Tics at 5/5 stack:		1023784.0
Time at 5/5 stack:		0.511892
Tics at 4/5 stack:		179854.0
Time at 4/5 stack:		0.089927
Tics at 3/5 stack:		211088.0
Time at 3/5 stack:		0.105544
Tics at 2/5 stack:		248148.0
Time at 2/5 stack:		0.124074
Tics at 1/5 stack:		292060.0
Time at 1/5 stack:		0.14603
Tics at 0/5 stack:		45066.0
Time at 0/5 stack:		0.022533

The source is attached if anyone wants to see what I did.

Backpain · 06/01/07, 12:48 PM

I would like to thank all those who contributed to this thread. As an avid lurker in these forums, I was intrigued to see Howitzer put up such impressive numbers on Gruul. Upon comparing his gear to a friend of mine, I saw that with a little resocketing and crit - he could approach Howitzer's stats.

So yesterday I set my friend down the path to BM pve dps. Results?

His MM spec on prince 2 nights ago:
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...&s=13443,13740

His BM spec last night on nightbane:
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...ru&s=2312,2840

Now, its not a fair comparison - next time we kill prince I'll log the fight for a proper comparison. He put out some sick damage on Spite, but the damage multipliers make it hard to compare. Nonetheless, I think its a safe assumption that this respec has bumped his damage up by about ~100 dps. The resident shadow priest even sent him a tell regarding his newfound damage. I can't wait to see what he can do on gruul!

Thanks again!

Chuu · 06/01/07, 1:17 PM

I am wondering, how much dps do you lose when you are on add duty when you go from a scorpid to a cat? As a BM hunter on Vashj phase 2 I'm always on the brink of falling behind, and losing a lot of pet DPS would defiantly put it over the edge.