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Old 06/01/07, 1:27 PM   #736
The Iron Colonel
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Mug'thol
Originally Posted by Chuu View Post
I am wondering, how much dps do you lose when you are on add duty when you go from a scorpid to a cat? As a BM hunter on Vashj phase 2 I'm always on the brink of falling behind, and losing a lot of pet DPS would defiantly put it over the edge.
I can't comment specifically about that fight, but there are definitely fights where a scorpid will likely hurt your dps on adds (i.e. Phase 1 Magtheridon would be a poor place to pump up your poison stacks with TBW, etc). At the risk of overgeneralizing, I would say go with a scorpid for fights where you can keep your pet on the main target for long periods of time, even if you yourself have to change targets (for adds or any other purpose).

Another scorpid question: do multiple scorpids share the same stack? I don't see why they wouldn't, but if they do it would definitely aid in keeping a full stack on the target dealing a retarded amount of damage over time. So many questions, so little time to test.

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Old 06/01/07, 3:34 PM   #737
aadric
Von Kaiser
 
Human Priest
 
Dark Iron
Originally Posted by Kirion View Post
KC is instant and doesnt not start GCD right? If so this one should work:

/cast Kill Command
/stopcasting
/cast Arcane Shot(Rank 9)
This was my understanding but I haven't gotten it to work. I have however been able to macro trinkets in before spells (Lower City Prayer Book -> Flash heal with 1 click). Although now that I give it more thought I haven't checked to make sure this is working since 2.1.

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Old 06/01/07, 4:37 PM   #738
Goreshot
Piston Honda
 
Orc Hunter
 
Eonar
Originally Posted by Fenrus View Post
Originally Posted by Ladwenae
And.. I am so annoyed by only having 3 stable slots, I have boar, owl and WS atm and all are loyalty lvl 6 and 70 and I really hate the idea to have to lvl a pet up from 63 ><
Not sure if you're specifically talking about leveling a scorpid here, but there are level 69 ones in SMV.

At any rate, I find it hard to fathom how making pets so difficult to level makes the game better in any way. I understand that Blizzard wants you to carefully think about what pet you select, but I've always felt that having to level loyalty is enough of a penalty for getting a new pet. For quite some time Blizzard has been making nebulous comments about "looking into pets" or some such, but it's wearing a little thin.
IIRC the main reason Blizzard doesn't allow more stable slots is because apparently hunter pets take up a significant amount of resources in terms of space. This is why they're so hellbent in finding a way to work around that limitation by giving hunters a chance to tame "temporary" pets or somesuch method to getting new abilities. At least this way we can actually use all three slots, instead of keeping one "free" just to get the new stuff.



PS - It's nice to see you all jumping on the Scorpid bandwagon. Too bad they're probably going to nerf the spelldamage stacking after everyone starts using one. =(

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Old 06/01/07, 5:31 PM   #739
Ladwenae
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Bronzebeard (EU)
So...
I ditched my windserpent since it was bugged anyway, and the highest level of the pets I had if I wanted to get one again and since my last post I have leveled a scorpid to 70 and level 5 loyalty so I had some training points.

Anyway I went to blasted lands and with my gimp RAP of 1738 ( hawk, major agi and 20 agi food included ) and 25.4% crit I was able to keep it on for 6 minutes with 522 ticking.
I didnt use claw since I didnt wanna risk loosing the stacks but with this the scorpid did 480 DPS for the 6 minute duration.

It had cobra reflexes and no buffs on other than spirit bond.

The only real issue I can see is that with raid bosses it will most likely miss so much that its not possible to keep it stacked consistantly, but I guess in certain fights it will do really well even with "only" 300+ / tick.

Edit: I still havent figured WWS out, so sorry for not posting a parse.

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Old 06/01/07, 6:12 PM   #740
Sienna
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Originally Posted by Ladwenae View Post
So...
I ditched my windserpent since it was bugged anyway, and the highest level of the pets I had if I wanted to get one again and since my last post I have leveled a scorpid to 70 and level 5 loyalty so I had some training points.

Anyway I went to blasted lands and with my gimp RAP of 1738 ( hawk, major agi and 20 agi food included ) and 25.4% crit I was able to keep it on for 6 minutes with 522 ticking.
I didnt use claw since I didnt wanna risk loosing the stacks but with this the scorpid did 480 DPS for the 6 minute duration.

It had cobra reflexes and no buffs on other than spirit bond.

The only real issue I can see is that with raid bosses it will most likely miss so much that its not possible to keep it stacked consistantly, but I guess in certain fights it will do really well even with "only" 300+ / tick.

Edit: I still havent figured WWS out, so sorry for not posting a parse.
480 dps seems a lot, which addon did you use to check pet dps?

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Old 06/01/07, 7:01 PM   #741
Ladwenae
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Bronzebeard (EU)
Originally Posted by Sienna View Post
480 dps seems a lot, which addon did you use to check pet dps?
SW stats.
Remember its a very low lvl mob, so white DPS is way to high compared to normal on these.
But getting scorpid poison to tick for 600+ seems easy doable if you are raidbuffed and click trinkets and such to get max AP since its the first poison that desides how high the following stacks will be.

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Old 06/01/07, 7:48 PM   #742
Sienna
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Originally Posted by Ladwenae View Post
SW stats.
Remember its a very low lvl mob, so white DPS is way to high compared to normal on these.
But getting scorpid poison to tick for 600+ seems easy doable if you are raidbuffed and click trinkets and such to get max AP since its the first poison that desides how high the following stacks will be.
Yeah I know it's low lvl mob but windserpents on that mob do 380 dps max with my gear at least, 480 seems extremely high. But I'll try it myself tonight.

Edit: I tamed a lvl 69, did 350 dps for 2 minutes, poison ticks for 324. Weird thing is poison doesn't seem to receive the 50% more damage from wrath. For me it ticks for 314 with or without wrath. Is my scorpid bugged?

Last edited by Sienna : 06/01/07 at 9:06 PM.

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Old 06/01/07, 9:50 PM   #743
AndrewCarr
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Mal'Ganis
I think Ladwenae pointed it out in his post. It seems like the poison's damage is based on what it first ticks for. After that I imagine the only way of changing how much damage it's doing would be to let it wear off and then reapply it.

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Old 06/01/07, 10:03 PM   #744
Trieste
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Hunter
 
Archimonde (EU)
Originally Posted by Sienna View Post
Yeah I know it's low lvl mob but windserpents on that mob do 380 dps max with my gear at least, 480 seems extremely high. But I'll try it myself tonight.

Edit: I tamed a lvl 69, did 350 dps for 2 minutes, poison ticks for 324. Weird thing is poison doesn't seem to receive the 50% more damage from wrath. For me it ticks for 314 with or without wrath. Is my scorpid bugged?
It works for me. I had really awsome results tonight in raid (especially on solar). Poison ticks for 604.

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Old 06/01/07, 10:51 PM   #745
Sienna
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Originally Posted by Trieste View Post
It works for me. I had really awsome results tonight in raid (especially on solar). Poison ticks for 604.
I tamed another one, same with this one. Poison damage doesn't increase under wrath. Really weird.

Edit: Like you said the problem is the first tick, if the first tick happens under wrath the rest gets the multiplier. And funnily even after wrath ends, if you ended up with 550 ticks, you continue that way. Weird mechanics really. I wonder how long you can go with 5 stacks on a raidboss though without missing any, actually I might consider getting 2/2 animal handler for this.

Last edited by Sienna : 06/01/07 at 11:14 PM.

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Old 06/02/07, 12:38 AM   #746
Talyx
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Hunter
 
Mannoroth
Originally Posted by Sienna View Post
I tamed another one, same with this one. Poison damage doesn't increase under wrath. Really weird.

Edit: Like you said the problem is the first tick, if the first tick happens under wrath the rest gets the multiplier. And funnily even after wrath ends, if you ended up with 550 ticks, you continue that way. Weird mechanics really. I wonder how long you can go with 5 stacks on a raidboss though without missing any, actually I might consider getting 2/2 animal handler for this.
Does animal handler effect the chance of resisting scorpid poison? I was under the impression the poison gets resisted, not missed/dodged/parried.

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Old 06/02/07, 2:58 AM   #747
The Iron Colonel
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Mug'thol
Scorpid Poison is applied as a melee attack - it's dodge/parry/miss not resist. It may be possible to resist the DAMAGE from the poison (I'm not sure though), but the application itself uses melee rules.

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Old 06/02/07, 8:16 AM   #748
Equalizer
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Crushridge
Originally Posted by Sienna View Post
I tamed another one, same with this one. Poison damage doesn't increase under wrath. Really weird.

Edit: Like you said the problem is the first tick, if the first tick happens under wrath the rest gets the multiplier. And funnily even after wrath ends, if you ended up with 550 ticks, you continue that way. Weird mechanics really. I wonder how long you can go with 5 stacks on a raidboss though without missing any, actually I might consider getting 2/2 animal handler for this.
My pet with 2/2 Animal Handler had a 13.7% miss rate on Gruul. Just to give you an idea.

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Old 06/02/07, 8:34 AM   #749
Lactose
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Tauren Hunter
 
Talnivarr (EU)
Originally Posted by Equalizer View Post
My pet with 2/2 Animal Handler had a 13.7% miss rate on Gruul. Just to give you an idea.
13.7% miss, or combined miss + parry + dodge?

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Old 06/02/07, 8:42 AM   #750
Yippy
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Barthilas
Originally Posted by Lactose View Post
13.7% miss, or combined miss + parry + dodge?
Sounds about right if it's miss + parry + dodge, since just browsing my WWS logs shows about 16-17% miss + parry + dodge (0/2 Animal Handler for me).

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