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Old 06/03/07, 7:09 AM   #781
Osse
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I'll try that, and if it fails I'll only have to kill you. :P

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Old 06/03/07, 7:10 AM   #782
Odeanathus
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Hello there!

I've been roaming these boards reading all your theories and what not, Im not that much of a math genius myself but still enjoy reading/knowing the things debated on these boards.

I just now got myself rank4 scorpid poison since i have to agree it seems like the smart choice. The thing i wonder though.. is there an addon or something that allows you to manage pet skills? meaning.. that i can "safe" 30 focus for my scorpid poinson but i can still burn the rest (in case of a couple of crits etc etc) with Claw? Or is the focus regen so high that no matter what if i keep claw & poison on autocast it will use both and not get any delays on the poison (since it would be a waste to lose a good poison stack)

How would you deal with this issue?

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Old 06/03/07, 7:11 AM   #783
Odeanathus
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Originally Posted by Osse View Post
I'll try that, and if it fails I'll only have to kill you. :P
I just did it aswell.. worked perfectly for me atleast ^^

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Old 06/03/07, 7:19 AM   #784
Osse
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Worked for me as well.

Selfbuffed (no consumables) tests say that the damage difference is 16.85%.

Last edited by Osse : 06/03/07 at 7:52 AM.

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Old 06/03/07, 7:57 AM   #785
Lysander1
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Originally Posted by Odeanathus View Post
is there an addon or something that allows you to manage pet skills? meaning.. that i can "safe" 30 focus for my scorpid poinson but i can still burn the rest (in case of a couple of crits etc etc) with Claw?
Depending on your critrate, you may not need any sort of management. However, my solution (because my crit is rather low) is to set Claw to manual cast and Scorpid Poison to autocast. Then I put /cast [target=pettarget,exists] Scorpid Poison and /cast [target=pettarget,exists] Claw to my castsequence spammy macro so that Scorpid Poison came first. Therefore I have 2 ways to ensure that if I have 30-55 Focus, Scorpid Poison will be cast, but if I have 25-30 Focus Claw will be cast, and 55+ Focus will cast both .

My initial analysis is that this Scorpid really pumps out some really nice numbers. Of course, my gear isn't so great, but on Blasted Lands unkillable mobs I was seeing around 500 pet dps and 475 Scorpid Poison ticks when the initial tick coming from TBW and Lust for Battle on. (That number was with me attacking the mob as well to contribute to GFFT focus gen)

I'd love to see what kind of dps numbers Osse sees from Scorpids on Blasted Lands unkillable mobs..

[EDIT] @ Osse's edit: Is that 16% in favor of the Serpent or the Scorpid? Or do you mean 16% gain from Rank 5 Scorpid? And how is it parsed (Blasted Lands unkillables will naturally have a much higher reapplication rate for Rank 5 even with the "1 miss and you're out" thing, so the 10 sec duration on Rank 4 may not be as significant against them.)

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Old 06/03/07, 8:01 AM   #786
Lactose
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Originally Posted by Lysander1 View Post
Therefore I have 2 ways to ensure that if I have 30-55 Focus, Scorpid Poison will be cast, but if I have 25-30 Focus Claw will be cast, and 55+ Focus will cast both .
I thought the pet's global cooldown prevented you from activating 2 pet skills simultaneously?

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Old 06/03/07, 8:04 AM   #787
Lysander1
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You're right Lactose, I didn't think about that. Regardless, because Scorpid Poison has a cooldown (more than global), Claw will fire as soon as it can after Scorpid Poison, because I'm spamming the macro. Also the advantage of not just toggling Claw/Poison both on autocast is that if you have to stop DPS, your poison charges won't drop. You'll lose some Claw dps if you stop your own attacks, though.

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Old 06/03/07, 8:05 AM   #788
Osse
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Bah, you tricked me into it now. Of course I had to do a WWS yesterday so here it is, rather short one but crit rates are what they are supposed to be. (in total)

Had BoM to get the scorpid poison up, then I clicked the buff off. Highest I get unbuffed with rank 5 is 617.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=b4ej3ctsuapow&a=50

I'll make a little movie in Blasted Lands today with the group buffs I manage to get, wont release it before they nerf that pet.

I'll see if I can get that claw macro to work....

Last edited by Osse : 06/03/07 at 9:36 AM. Reason: :|

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Old 06/03/07, 8:20 AM   #789
Trieste
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Originally Posted by Lactose View Post
I thought the pet's global cooldown prevented you from activating 2 pet skills simultaneously?
There's a global cooldown and that's very annoying when you have the poison and claw on autocast. Sometimes he decides to do claw over poison and it's a problem to keep the poison up even with rank because you loose the cooldown.

On Mag, I put claw on manual to be sure.

For me scorpid is really amazing against static target like mag or morogrim, but I prefer my windserpent on fight like vashj or leotheras...

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Old 06/03/07, 8:29 AM   #790
Odeanathus
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well how high would your crit rating need to be in order for you to safely be able to keep both on autocast?

Last edited by Odeanathus : 06/03/07 at 8:35 AM.

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Old 06/03/07, 9:09 AM   #791
Trieste
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Originally Posted by Odeanathus View Post
well how high would your crit rating need to be in order for you to safely be able to keep both on autocast?
I think there's no answer!
Because if the scorpid uses claw over poison (Or use it 0,1 before poison is up), it triggers the global cooldown, and you will have only one chance and not two with rank 4 to apply the poison.

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Old 06/03/07, 9:17 AM   #792
Lysander1
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There really ought to be a way to set priority for pet skills so that, for example, the pet would use Scorpid Poison over Claw whenever both were available. Ah well.. we can put that with a "Pet Move to Location" command on the wanted list.

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Old 06/03/07, 9:27 AM   #793
Breakerone
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Originally Posted by Osse View Post
up the scorpid poison, then I clicked it off. Highest I get unbuffed with rank 5 is 617.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=b4ej3ctsuapow&a=50
eeeew!

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Old 06/03/07, 9:34 AM   #794
Osse
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Lets not edit words out of that sentence.

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Old 06/03/07, 10:14 AM   #795
Bloodwrath
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Sorry if this has been covered before - But mark of conquest does it have a built in cooldown like some rumours would have me believe and how is the proc rate i could really use the mana regen on this over the longer fights as my wallet will not support fel mana potions forever

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