I just got my second T5 piece yesterday, but had no time to try it out. The other hunter (MM) claimed that he got his second last week and tried if afterwards in a duel and it procced like 2 times in a minute.
I thought I read about a 45% chance. Can someone fill me in, before I get my own tries tonight?

read something about 10-15% chance but I could give you a WWS link to a Voidreaver Kill, there you can see how much it healed my pet (though it isn't an intelligent heal)


http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...045-12524&a=12

Hm, sad. If I read your WWS correct, your pet healed itself with about every 6th hit, which would come to the percentage you mentioned and yours is a cat or ravager, so you even have a very large advantage in number of hits compared to my wind serpent. Might really be the final reason now to let it go

Really sad, I had my hopes up for 45% as mention on thott, but this "value" thing was unclear from the beginning...

For me the Ashtongue Talisman of Swiftness is getting ever closer. Equip: Your Steady Shot has a 15% chance to grant you 275 attack power for 8 seconds. At first glace this looks quite amazing, however I'm beginning to wonder how it compares to the Tsunami Talisman, or even Dragonspine.

The thing I'm most worried about is a long hidden CD. Which wouldnt suprise me looking at the imba nature of most other classes trinkets. Any one else have thoughts on this?

This have been already discuised here.

And I can tell you it doesn't have hidden CD, it can proc while the proc is still active.

A proc while the proc is active simply refreshes the timer.

Can anyone confirm that 2pc Tier 5 procs off special attacks? Is Lightning Breath an exception? When I first got it I tested it for a while and never had a proc off of LB.

With that said, 15% proc rate is consistent with my experience, though this is a "gut feel" and comparing multiple WWS's will yield better results.

Note that a BM pet is going to attack at 0.89s speed most of the time, so even at a 15% proc rate with just normal attacks:

178 to 192 = 185 average hp healed per proc
1/.89 = 1.12 attacks per second.
Proc rate * health per proc * attacks per second = .15 * 1.12 * 185

2pc Tier 5 = 31 hp per second for your pet

Pretty awesome! On Naj'entus this averages out to ~1800hp healed between tidal shields. As a hunter in my guild said: "Tier 5 was made for BM hunters". The 4-piece bonus is also awesome for us.

While clipping could also be the cause, its also possible to end up with more Steady Shots fired than Auto Shots if the mob you are fighting dies after the Steady Shot hits, but before the Auto fires/hits. If this happens enough then the number of Steady Shots fired will slowly creep ahead of the auto shots, especially if the macro you are using uses Steady Shot to trigger the Auto Shot.

While that's true, you'd have to consistently have that phenomenon happen to establish a margin of 7 steadies more than autos. Lurker has adds, but not so many that you should be seeing that kind of margin (especially with a 2.1 attack speed - there's simply not that much deadtime in which you'd fire a steady but not an auto before a death - 0.6s window minus latency and reaction time before the steady fires).

Welshy was kind enough to send me a combat log and I put together a quick parser. His log was about 15MB but I'm able to parse it in just a couple seconds. It should provide some insight into how you are managing your rotations, if you are clobbering/clipping shots and outputs some other misc stats.

This is the output from his log:

To run it (you must have java installed):

1) Extract LogParser.jar from the zip I'm attaching
2) Drop LogParser.jar in your log directory or wherever you have a WoWCombatLog.txt
3) Double click LogParser.jar

Edit: A few notes
For the autoshot calculations:
-I keep track of your target, if your target changes between two auto shots I disregard that time difference.

-I set a maximum delay between auto shots to 3.5 seconds. Anything greater than this delay is discarded since that falls outside the range of weapon speeds and a back to back steady. If you try really hard you could have auto shots further than 3.5 seconds apart in a rotation but you would have to be screwing it up pretty bad

Edit 2: I updated the zip to include the source if anyone wants to play with it

Edit 3: Couple of fixes so it doesn't break on Dr. Boom or misses

Edit 4: Displays results in a simple window so you don't have to run it from the command line

I had to pick an arbitrary number to cut out time spent moving or doing anything besides standing still and banging out your rotation. 3.5 seconds might not be the right number for this but it's easily changeable.

The 258 shots that exceed the 3.5 second max I set is just a number I have in there for a sanity check. Shots will end up here when you are moving, probably if you spend time mending your pet or if you are badly clobbering your autos. If this number is too high the maximum time between shots you want the parser to consider needs to be raised.

The maximum time listed is the maximum time between shots that falls under the absolute maximum. In practice this number isn't really useful because there is undoubtedly a time when you move from one target to another with the same name and take a few seconds (or a similar event). From the parser's point of view they are just auto shots that are really far apart.

I only include auto shots that are closer than the absolute cutoff of 3.5 second in the back to back auto shot number.

As far as the discrepancy between your log an WWS I can't explain that. I take any line that starts with one of the following strings:

"Your Auto"
"Your Steady"
"Your Multi"
"Your Arcane"

They get included in the shot count, overall damage, and average damage stats.

Thanks for the answers - I admit I had an initial moment of panic when I was looking at the numbers and saying "holy hell, I'm terrible at my rotation and didn't even know it," so my initial post probably makes less sense than it could (or should). However, when you put it in context the results make more sense. As for WWS, I'm unsure why it's different, but I'm not going to worry about it. I'm using your tool for timing information, which it seems to do very well at.

I updated the original post with a new jar.

Beast Mastery Bible

I changed the max time between autos to consider to 4 seconds. A bit better outlier if you consider the case where you fire an auto shot, wait till it is casting, then clobber that cast with your steady. You will end up with auto shot - 0.5 + steady delay.

At the suggestion of Welshy, it also generates a LogParserDetails.txt file as well that looks something like this:

You can paste that into excel and generate graphs if you wish. I've attached an example.

Couple of notes on that distribution: It's slightly bimodal. The x-axis is in 100 ms intervals (so 1/10th of a second). You see the second, smaller clumping around 0.5s after the first - this probably reflects me inserting kill commands prior to auto shots, and delaying them. Of course, I can't be certain, but it seems like a reasonable guess. Much to my relief, most of the auto shots fall around the 2.1 second mark, which is my hasted speed. I clip more than a few by a bit, but by and large (much to my relief) it appears I'm not clobbering the majority of my shots.

Thanks again to Glaurong, again he provides a great tool to the community.

So something unexpected last night happened while downing Mag. I was grouped with a Shadow Priest, Shaman, Lock and a Mage. There was only 1 Pally in the entire raid so both my Scorpid and I had Might. I was sitting at approx. +2100 RAP, +27ish Crit at the time.

Anyways my Scorpid was doing 820 damage/tick and at about 27% Mag turned and 1-shotted him. I did not expect that! I did quickly res'd my Scorpid and carried on although scorpid poison ticks did drop to about 600ish for the remainder of the fight.

Any ideas why my Scorpid was targeted by Mag? Growl was off. Could poison cause that much threat? I don't remember seeing my scorpid at the top of the damage meters at all.

It was quite funny in vent at the time.

If it really doesnt proc on anything but white melee damage, then its actually almost a 30% chance, looking at his log and at my own testings today, cause I also cant find a single proc directly after LB, but that might be different for claw and bite.

In any case its quite nice, sadly in no way removing the need for constant mending in difficult fights.

Here is a Void Reaver kill where my pet was attacking the boss for the entire duration of the fight w/o a death.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...4276-4640&a=53

The 2pc T5 bonus in the DPS time of: 5mn procced 76 times and healed for a total of 15,538 health. Thats like 30 something pet mend ticks. Its definitely a great set bonus especially for BM hunters.

I have Claw turned off when Scorpid Poison is ticking.

Glau,

I hate to sound like Java noob, but I downloaded your jar and I haven't been able to figure out how to run it. I have Sun Java on my system and I can bring up the console through IE 7by selecting Tools, Sun Java Console, but it doesn't look like that's what I need since I don't get a command line.

I changed it to display the results in a simple window, all you have to do now is drop the jar in the same directory as your WoWCombatLog.txt and double click the jar.

I updated the original post: Beast Mastery Bible

Well then you have even less TPS on your pet then the tank. Though you should practice using claw with SP. With Steadyshot and KC macroable to 2 button presses that you spam (some use one button press but that often throws the KC after the steady before the auto delaying it, i use 2 macros one auto/steady the other auto/KC/Steady so that i don't delay auto's.) there isn't much to be paying attention to, so i turn claw on autocast every 3 seconds and then off just for as long as it takes for SP to cast. If that SP is missed/dodged etc then i keep claw off for the second time to app SP.