So I'm riding the BM bandwagon for quite some time and today I got really lucky and picked up the barrel-blade longrifle from Doomwalker. So with quiver and serpent swiftness I'm down to a 1,88 sec attackspeed.
Two pages back Glau mentioned, that 1,7 sec is a typical lower bound for an auto/steady rotation and now I try to decide, if it's feasible to take just 3/5 IAotH, going down to 1,72 sec (and maybe just ignore KC at all) or if it's possible to weave in a KC (sometimes behind the steady, sometimes behind the auto I guess) with an unhasted speed of 1,88.
Maybe some of you with this weapon or better personal experience with haste effects can shed some light on this.

Hello, I am a long-time reader of these forums but a first time poster!

Anyway, I am a BM Hunter. I recently plugged in my information into Cheeky's Spreadsheet, and was pretty surprised at what I found.

Currently I have Maulgar's War Helm. I was under the impression that this was essentially the best helm before the Riftstalker helm. However, its flaw is that it does not have a meta-gem socket. The Spreadsheet shows that I have 1140.62dps with a total dps of 1473.24 (I assume this number combines pet dps?).

Heres the what I wanted to get your opinion on:

If I equip Beast Lord Helm, (with +8 agi gem, and relentless earthstorm diamond) it shows that I have 1150.09dps and 1482.24 total dps.

Is this correct? Is a blue helm with a meta-gem THAT much better as far as dps than a helm that drops off of Maulgar?!

If this is the case, it makes any non-socketable helm pretty worthless. What are your thoughts on this?

its the agility. Try stalkers helm of second sight with 3 8 agi gems in it.

Also, make sure that when you go back to a piece of armor that doesnt have sockets you remove the gem option, as the sheet doesn't do it automatically... (made me spend some cash on a downgrade since i wasnt paying attention and the second piece didn't have sockets.

Does anyone know where Romulo's Poison Vial ranks in the levels of BM Hunter gear? I'm debating between it and Ogre Mauler's Badge - Items - World of Warcraft.

Thanks for your help.

Romulo's poison vial dominates that ogre mauler trinket. But id probably still take an hourglass over it.

I hate to say but your WWS log is corrupted. Tidewalker recieved 7 million damage in that log. He only has 5.3 million HP. The log's data must be tracking something else, porbably the previous attempt.

Hehe fair enough howitzer, i look at +hit a fairly unique way and almost never go out of my way to take the stat unless it comes as part of a package (say going from belt of the black eagle to belt of deep shadows).

You should not forget the adds. 7.0-7.8 million damage is possible depending on your AOE casters.

No he's right, it's corrupt, see

Morogrim Tidewalker - WWS

and things like:

05:22'06.270 Narakh's Auto Shot crits Morogrim Tidewalker for 1930
957 Spike gains 50 Focus from Go for the Throat of Narakh
05:22'07.278 Narakh's Auto Shot crits Morogrim Tidewalker for 1930

There seems to be some issues when merging reports.

My apologies, most every log my two guildies merge seem to be accurate, I guess this was just looked past since its just ssc.

Ok, 2 Autoshot in 1 second as a MM really seems a bit strange, but if the two mergers had different time stamps I dont understand why it didnt double the whole log.

Anyway, 7-7.8 million damage on Tidewalker is still correct. We do the same as do most guilds if you check the top 50. And I dont merge.

I've just returned to my hunter a couple weeks ago after about a 6 month hiatus, so my math may be whack, but...

24 agi gives us 24 AP and 0.6% crit
24 crit rating gives 1.09% crit

With 41/20:

24 crit == 1.417% dps (1.09% * 1.3)
24 AP + 0.6% crit == 1.714dps * (1 + (crit rate * 1.3)) + .78% dps

At 400dps (paper doll) and 25% crit:
24 crit == 5.668dps
24 agi == 5.39dps

That's actually pretty close to the breakeven point. Probably best to chart it really.

(Kings gives you 2.4 more agi, which gives you 2.4 more AP and 0.06 crit, making 24 agi and 24 crit almost exactly the same at 400dps and 25% crit).

I'm having some DPS issues as a raiding BM hunter currently working on Kael'Thas. My gear is 4/5 Rift Stalker, Arcanite Steam-Pistol, and various other tier 4 or 5 epics. On most fights, I'm almost always more than a few slots below a similarly geared BM hunter. I think the problem is something to do with the timing of my shots.

The macro I'm using for my basic shot rotation is this:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, Auto Shot

For the most part, I spam that macro and then stop spamming after an auto shot, fire an arcane shot, let another auto shot go off, then back to spamming as that shot fires. I do the same with kill command, use KC after the auto shot, then back to spamming the macro. If KC and arcane are both up, I use KC, then arcane, auto, back to spamming.

So, in "diagram" form:

Steady Shot, Auto Shot, Steady Shot, Auto Shot, Arcane Shot, Auto Shot, Steady Shot, Auto Shot
(replace the arcane with KC)

or

Steady Shot, Auto Shot, Kill Command, Arcane Shot, Auto Shot, Steady Shot, Auto Shot

I've talked to this other hunter, and he's doing the same thing as me. The only problem that I can think of is that I'm using my arcane shot or kill command at such a time that the delay between my next Steady/Auto is long enough that it adds up over the course of a fight and eliminates quite a large portion of damage. If there's a better time or way to use shots and kill command, I'd really appreciate some input.

Also, I'm sorry of this is the wrong thread to ask this in, but I didn't find any answers in other threads or this one.

Quick edit: The other hunter is at least a few slots ahead of me without pets merged on the damage meter, so it's not that his pet is doing more damage than mine. Also, his gear is slightly better than mine. He has about 100 more AP, 2% more crit. We're both at the hit cap.

Does MD use a charge if you miss?

I got the following log yesterday. I cast MD on the tank, and the following occured. (I've changed names and cut the log to simply include the relevant parts.)

Ato gains Misdirection
Main Tank gains Misdirection
Mage Tank's Pyroblast hits Krosh Firehand for 1894 Fire damage
Ato performs Distracting Shot
Ato's Auto Shot misses High King Maulgar
Ato's Arcane Shot hits High King Maulgar for 283 Arcane damage (283 resisted)
Ato's Auto Shot crits High King Maulgar for 1028

Dist shot was okay. First Auto missed. Arcane fully resisted. Second Auto crit. Maulgar aggroed the MT as usual just fine.

This leads me to believe that MD doesnt use a charge on a miss.

Dist shot is 900 threat (see Thott). If the miss counted, I would have 128 aggro on Maulgar, and he should have killed me. But he aggroed the MT as expected.

It looks like your arcane shot just partially resisted, so you gave the tank 1183 threat (900+283), which is greater than 1028.

This is wrong.
You're comparing final, pre-mitigated DPS. What I mean by this is that you're including things as hastes (included in Character Sheet DPS), as well as Crit. When you're including these things, 14 AP is not equal to 1 DPS.

+1% Crit does not give +1.3% more DPS. You have more than 0% Crit -- diminishing returns. IF you have 100 DPS pre-crit:
Going from 0% Crit to 1% Crit:
100*1 + 230*0 = 100
100*0.99 + 230*0.01 = 101.3
1.3% DPS increase

Going from 30% Crit to 31% Crit:
100*0.7 + 230*0.3 = 139
100*0.69 + 230*0.31 = 140.3
1.00935% DPS increase

The +AP from Agility and the +Crit from Agility also shift these numbers, due to affecting each other.
I.e. +40 Agility would not be:
Adding 40 AP to our base stats gives us +x DPS. Adding 1% Crit to our base stats gives us +y DPS. Total gain = x+y
You have to include how +Crit and +AP gained from +Agility affect each other.

Woops, I actually read 'mage tank' as 'main tank' and didn't stop to think :P
I'll edit that out now...

Anyway, MT threat = 1183, your threat = 1028.
Also, I still think you'd need 30% more threat than the tank to pull aggro.

Hi, i am new to these forums..so any answers would be swell...i am 41/20..BM/marks..i had a few quick questions about my gear...i normally top the charts..in the 1, 2 ,3 slot depending on the fight

The Armory


(that spec is my marks 5v5 spec)

i currently have 8 crit rating gems..after reading this forum i feel like a big time noob..should those all be 8 agi gems?


any suggestion would be awesome...ty

Right now I have a passive 1.91 attack speed and I have recently just been doing steady/auto/kc and not really using arcane or multi shot. Right now I have a 23.83% crit and one point in Bestial Discipline. I believe I am doing the math right on this, but please correct if I am wrong. Currently I am going to a 1.62 attack speed when hasted by imp AOTH (1.91 x 0.15 = .2865). I am thinking if I move one point out of imp aoth to fill out BD I will be at 1.68 attack speed. If my math is correct, I would assume filling out BD and dropping imp aoth to 4 points would be a pretty decent DPS increase but that's what I'm asking you for

The Armory

I think the majority of hunters out there would say 8 agility gems no matter what spec you are

so is 8 agility always superior to 8 crit rating????

No. There may be good reasons to get a crit gem instead. But over most of the ap/crit/agi space, for all builds, 8 agi does get you a bit more dps than 8 crit rating.