Blaize

Thank you for the gear compliment, still missing a few pieces, but I'm getting close to my dream setup.

Yes, I was using Manito's Macro with a G15 keyobard. Group setup was 2 BM Hunters, Feral Tank, Resto Shaman and myself. 1 Bloodlust and 2 Drums (I believe the other BM Hunter ran out of drums just before we pulled).

I also found that lag and poor latency can put a large dent in our DPS, on my old computer I would raid with about 8 FPS on average, it wasn't fun at all.

 

DOOA

I just changed from BM (BRK standard spec) to Survival.
We have been setting records for kill times in bosses where EW really counts, but my personal DPS is down from 2-3 place in the raids to 9-11. The personal DPS does not really matter to me if we are killing more bosses, but from reading here I think I am missing some tricks.

The World of Warcraft Armory

the whip is usually a Tsunami.

Any suggestions for some easy agility? I am going with Comets and Agility. My hit is way too high with Surefooted and being a bow equipped Troll. But where to change?

 

Sympa

Not sure what your content level is but as is your agility is fine. Cannot really help you with-ought seeing some WWS. I would suggest reading through this forum before posting for such vague assistance.

My blog, about wow and the like.

 

DOOA

Sorry for being too vague. I read about 30 pages of this thread. some really helped.
WWS of last night's BT run
WWS Loading...
As you can tell, I am still learning to play SV.
Armory has my correct setup now.

Why does EW show up so few times in WWS? I have it up a LOT.

 

Kom

You may want edit that link to WWS, remove the jsessionid part like in my post. At the moment anyone who clicks it gets logged onto your account.

 

DOOA

Thanks - did not know it could do that

 

Kom

No worries. In relation to the actual post, I may be wrong here but I think WWS only logs when a debuff drops off and then is re-applied, i.e. if the debuff is up for the entire fight even if the user re-applies to refresh the duration then WWS will display 1. Again, may very well be wrong about that.

In any case with 3/3 points and a decent crit rate (>40% raid buffed), it should stay up around 90% of the time, minimum. When I go surv I only go 2/3 EW and get around a 95% uptime with 55% crit, good way to save a talent point if you can achieve that with raid synergies. Best bet is just to watch the debuff manually on boss fights where there is minimum time where you don't shoot the boss i.e. najentus, teron, bloodboil, brutallus etcetc.

 

Namarus

Personally I would drop most of your non-agility gems for just plain agility gems. Put two "Jagged" gems into one of your pieces of gear, for your meta, everything else can be converted to agility.

I personally would replace your neck with the SSO neck, it's cheap and relatively easy to get.

Your starting to get armor penetration on your gear, that is good, but you need to start thinking about stacking more. Drops the comets when you are able for daggers of bad mojo in ZA. While your in ZA see if you can pick up a cloak of fiends, you should be easily able to get the first chest from there.

Looking at your wws, I would recommend switching to a 1:1.5 rotation, throw in multis and arcane shots.

 

Jappse

Hi, my first post on EJ. I'm usually Beast master and i havn't played surv for a very long time.

I'm having problems getting the DPS that i'm after in my build and rotation.

Here is a WWS breakdown from our best try on KJ: LINK

Armory profile here...

I'm doing 2:1<3:2<1:1 rotation but i don't see it to work very. i'm using a /cast ! /cast macro w/ KC macroed and i'm using a ravager as pet since i'm not spamming the macro i took this pet instead to limit dps loss in lightning breath.

NOTE: On my 2:1/3:2 i always get my auto shot pushback .5, .6secs, this normal? i'm using big trouble addon to notice this.

Here is another log from M'uru with a Wind serpent pet: LINK...

Would you suggest keep going for the same rotation as i'm using or should i just start doing 1:1.5?

 

Drakbak

The troll's bow racial has nothing to do with chance to hit anymore. Back in the day it counted for a lot, but when they added Expertise rating to the game, weapon skill became obsolete and since mobs can't dodge/parry ranged attacks, the racial was changed to an ordinairy +1% crit buff when you have a bow equipped.

So, if you're 3/3 Surefooted you will need 95 hit rating to be capped against raid bosses.

 

DOOA

I am pretty much a raid spec, not sure how stacking armor penetration will help. I can see it helping personal DPS, but that is not what I need right now. I am not sure what amulet you mean with "SSO" Shattered Sun one for 24G?

Thanks Drak - I figured that out after the post. I will be hanging close to 95 for Hit.

 

Lakron

The thing about wws is, whenever you over write a buff ( You proc EW before the previous EW wears off ), WWS isnt going to pick that up, so its only going to pick up the initial procs.

 

mrmr

Is there any way/addon to track the effective EW uptime for a boss fight?

 

Lakron

I have never looked for an addon that does it, because you don't really need it, If you are running without MT and your crit is above 35%(unbuffed) then with 2/3 EW or 3/3 EW its gonna be up all the time, if your crit is under 35% you should probably have MT and again probably shouldnt have problems with the uptime.

 

Namarus

I'm pretty confused by your statement. Increasing your dps increases your raid dps. In certain cases increasing your personal dps is preferable over increasing the raid dps.

For example.

Enchant Bracer - Assault is used instead of Enchant Bracer - Stats.

So you should be looking for things that boost TOTAL raid dps the most. If an item will give the raid an overall 1 dps increase, but give you a 2 dps increase, you should go with the personal dps boost.

 

Shoran

Hey I'm a survival hunter and recently I've been having extreme clipping issues while using the normal 3:2 macro, i.e. having strings of 7 steady shots or more. Here is a brutallus wws log.

Wow Web Stats

Currently i have a static 82 haste with [Shivering Felspine] and [Hard Khorium Choker]

The macro I'm using is:
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame: Clear()

I have tried using a /castsequence macro as well, but it gimps me too hard. I'm not sure if this issue is caused by lag, the amount of haste i have, or the macro I'm using.

I apologize if this issue has already been discussed, but any help would be greatly appreciated

 

Barradin

Shoran,

Armory doesn't seem to be working for me but I see you have the BBotB which is 3.0 speed.

As far as I know, with only 82 passive haste and no Serpent Swiftness, you're normal attack speed is way to slow to just spam the /cast/cast macro. You WILL chain steadies if your attack speed is above 2.10 or so.

I assume you have the 7/20/34 build (or something close) so you get the QS proc. You should be able to spam your /cast/cast macro when QS is up but when it's not and you have no haste buffs on, you need to manually time your steady shots so that you get the proper 2:1 ratio you're looking for (Or use the 1:1.5). Basically spam the macro right after the auto goes off and STOP spamming it as the second steady is going off so that the auto fires for sure. It takes a bit more attention but it becomes second nature very quickly.

Like I said, you're probably better off using a 1:1.5 rotation when you have no haste procs but it becomes difficult to transition in and out of that rotation when you've got haste procs going off randomly. Most people find that they get better dps using the /cast/cast macro all the time. Just make sure to let up on the macro before your auto fires if you find yourself chaining a lot.

Hope that helps.

 

QuiggyB

Add more haste until it stops chaining. You are at the haste level where people with ~150ms latency tend to get good results from those macros. If your latency is super low you will need more haste. sounds weird but worse latency reduces chaining, better latency increases it. Look at the cloak from the 1st ZA timed chest.

Here is my wws from last night. I had 77 haste and 140ms latency. Brutallus Death

Other things I noticed giving it a quick look. Your raids JoW uptime is very low which resulted in you drinking fel mana over haste. Get a mod from wowace called demon so you can see that and call out when it drops off. Chain chug haste pots and see if you can get another drummer in group. Finally make sure you are staggering out your haste throughout the fight. Here is what I do haste wise:

On the pull I MD the tank then hit drums. My group is not getting slashed 1st. After 10 seconds I pop a haste pot so its done before he turns to my group.

When he turns to my group I wait until my 3rd slash to pop berserking (haste scales as life drops and mob is now turning away again) then pop raid fire when that drops off.

Shammy pops bloodlust as soon as I hit my second drums. I pop my second haste pot as soon as the bloodlust wears off.

Stagger out remaining berserking / raid fire / haste pot through the remaining 2 min of the fight. Its pretty much a downhill coast by this point as you have 1.5 - 2 min to use each thing one more time. I try to use these during gaps in the drums rotation and preferably right after a DST proc has finished.

This really just depends on your latency. 78+ is good enough for many people with average latency values. The easy fix is to add in more haste until it stops. One more item should do it. Testing on Dr Boom until it works well is the way to go.

 

Shoran

Thanks for the feedback Barradin and Quiggyb. On a normal day I'll usually be running with around 150-200ms. The only time I start to chain clip is in a raid environment or a fight where there is excessive cast push back, on Dr. Boom I never have any issues. Here is a WWS Brutallus log from last week, which was much cleaner considering our Ret pally didn't die 20% into the fight XD, and as you can see there are some instances where I go into steady shot strings of 6-8.

Wow Web Stats

After assuming haste was my enemy I went from 7/20/34 to 0/20/41, but that is false so I'll go back to 7/20/34. I will work on getting the Za haste cloak or making the jc haste ring.

P.S. Is their an alternate macro i could use or will the normal 3:2 suffice?

Thanks again

*edit* I just noticed that I have a [Cloak of Fiends] in the bank XD, probably didn't use it since i did not have sufficient hit at the time.

 

Cathzilla

Are you using the double macro setup or the normal single /cast /cast?

I use the macro below and I don't really seem to have many problems. The only problem I do have is that with no haste buffs up and steady gets pushed back they sometimes chain. Is there any way to avoid that?

 

Shoran

Actually, I'm planning on using Manito's macro tonight to see if that helps.

 

MrFrost

I'm following this thread now for some time. But didn't read the whole thread.
So I'm wondering if someone could post the attack speeds that are necessary for the next faster rotation.
e.g.
atk speed slower than 2.1 = rotation 1:1.5
1.8-2.1 = 2:3


And is there anyone trying permanently a 1:1 rotation?
With the barrel-blade longrifle (weapon speed 2.6) about 125 haste rating and IaotH and of course the 15% from the quiver its possible to come to a speed of about 1.84 I think. Though it maybe only a tactic for a static fight.

 

LuringShadow

This is my first post here. You all have been Immensly helpful for me. I am now usually in the top 3 dps on our runs! Figured I'll start contributing when I can.
Unfortunately, I'm not up to Brut yet (we're working on Kale atm) but I found this back on page 67 or so. Not sure if it will help..
As far as macros go, I'm using the macro that Sore82 posted (page 69). Set it up on the G15 (Sore82 shows how to set up on page 62) and I don't usually find chaining to be an issue. Even w/ non-ideal haste (I'm still waiting on the ZA cloak). Hopefully you find some of this useful

 

Skrunk

Hey all (first post), I am a long time BM 3:2 spammer making the switch to survival. I have done a lot of reading and am still a bit confused on which shot rotation I should go with - I just threw together my survival set this morning and as you can see from my armory link HERE, I do have my 4 piece t6 bonus, but the highest amount of passive haste I can get at this moment is 52 and I also no dragon spine trophy.

I do have a ret paladin regularly in raids and am a troll - so should I try spread of my haste pots, racial, rapid fire, bloodlusts and try to achieve a heavy steady rotation (stick with 3.2?). I am perfectly comfortable weaving my own 1:1.5 rotation as well (I am also chain drummed during raids as our normal group setup all are leather workers).

I am aware that I could get an extra 3 agility by putting the amethyst in my boots and have another spinel in my shoulders, but I would like to be able to respec back to bm if desired and have to re-gem accordingly. I also plan on eating hit food tonight to put me 1 under the cap.

My first survival raid is tonight! (Council,Illidian+hyjal) and I will post the wws from that for critique from more experienced survival hunters. Thank you for reading my nub questions and I hope I did not disrupt the discussion too much.

 

Abey

First, what an excellent thread. Thanks to all of you who have put so much effort into and so patiently answered hunters question about survival raiding. The depth of knowledge here is simply astounding.

Second, I have read over 50 pages (so far and from the end to pg 50ish) and have made changes to my character based on the information gleaned. Today will allow me to finish the first 50 pages!

Third, I have been a raiding BM hunter for a very long time and the hunter who was survival wanted a change. As we have near identical gear and stats, we decided to swap specs. I changed yesterday after carefully reading this thread

Now, given that, my question is if I have made any errors in spec based on the following criteria for Abey:

1) 7/9 BT
2) DOES NOT have 4pcs T6 gear (armory: The World of Warcraft Armory )
3) passive haste of 61, active haste of 325 (DST) = 386 HR
4) this thread recommended 0/20/41 spec (though I'd LOVE to go 7/21/33 but w/o 4pcs T6, this thread says no.
5) 2.8 bow, 1:1.4 shot rotation; lightning breath pet.
6) the 1:1.4 shot rotation SHOULD end up being: AS-SS-Arc-AS-SS-AS-SS-AS-SS-MS-AS-SS (is this correct)?

Please let me know if I've left anything out. Specifically, is the spec that I've chosen correct based on the above information? Does it need any tweaks?

I can't thank you all enough as I posted the same question on the hunter forums but all you get there is butthurt. Thank you all for being so responsive, insightful, and helpful. I'll try to pass on that tradition as a fellow hunter.

Abey.