We have a tank kite the mobs back to the NPCs. If you're kiting and not dpsing then obviously you don't need the mana return. I'm going full out dps in that phase usually keeping up with if not toping the AOEr's on the charts so I'm burning my mana very quickly.

In our guild melee has dibs on the feral druid and I've never seen a GoA totem, the best I can hope for is a shadow priest but I'm usually in the outcast group of random warlocks and if I'm lucky and priest with spellsurge . I agree though I'd take the Shaman with GoA and mana spring over any other class but it doesn't look like that's going to happen for me.

Good point about monster slaying, my guild is just 2 weeks into hyjal and I didn't realize that. While I agree having scatter shot is awesome, Readiness > Scatter shot for raiding purposes.

It's nice to have a spec that is good for PVE & PVP but really its optimal for neither. If you're doing battlegrounds spec doesn't matter because you're just honor farming (and half the people you fight are terrible anyway). If you're doing arenas you need to respec or you're going to get crushed. I probably respec 4-5 times a week for different arena teams and raids. Blizz really needs to lower the respec cost, 50g everytime I want to play an arena game is just retarded.

But I do agree that WS is an awesome PVP ability, especially when you have scatter shot as well, having that many CCs is just sweet.

We run a cookie-cutter DPS group of MS Warrior, 2 Rogues, Feral Druid and Enhancement Shaman - We put the 2nd enchancement shaman in the tank group to help aid in his TPS w/ a Feral Druid and myself.

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I did some testing of my own with regards to this shot rotation/macro mash, and the GCD behavior seems very 'awkward'. As some others have stipulated on these forums, being able to get 2 specials (in this case 2 steady shots) off in a 1.5 second window (talent build permitting) seems like very odd behavior with regards to how the GCD used to work. If this mechanic is still in place in 2.4, then it will redefine how the hunter class as we know it is played, but I remain skeptic. Judging from the hastened fix to rectify the initial /cast !auto shot, /cast aimed/steady there may very well be a lingering issue that remained uncorrected, and thats what we're currently witnessing. Call me a hater or what have you, but this behavior we're currently witnessing just seems 'out of place'.


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This is the image I have in my head every time I try and understand how what we're currently witnessing is actually producing positive results.

Here is my last Gorefiend attempt. Talk about a difference in DPS, maybe someone could enlighten me as to what I am doing wrong?
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I am using a 1:1.5 with 1:1 steady during haste (rapid fire since no shammy). Any help would be appreciated.

I did roughly 1.5 hours of trials using both the current macro of choice (/cast !auto shot, /cast steady shot) in addition to trying to manually get 2 steady shots in for every auto shot, both of which produced the same mental block. All I can picture is the above visually represented shot rotation and scratch my head in wonder.

Our feral druids are our main tanks, so they are always in our main tank group. I don't buff them, so I don't get to be in that group very often.

We don't have a GoA using shaman at all, so I don't even know what the buff icon looks like!

I agree that readiness would boost my DPS a bit in raids, but I doubt it would be a huge boost. Many of these fights last many minutes long. Using 2x rapid fires at the beginning won't mean too much IMO. We only ever run with 2x pallies so I never have salv. I am threat capped very often even after I use FD and 2x MDs (one from me and another from another hunter), especially in the beginning of fights. This is why we switched to feral druids for MTs as they generate significantly more threat than our warriors ever did. We only use warriors on RoS and Illidian. Our ferals tank every thing else (including Archimonde!).

As for arenas, yeah, it is not optimal, but it isn't horrible. Rogues and warriors aren't much of a threat when you have so much dodge, deterrence, improved wing clip and entrapment. I usually just keep them in front of me and kite or ignore them while DPSing the focused target. I rarely die while doing this unless my healer is CCed or runs out of mana. My 3v3 team is not very serious, but we got 1650 rating easily playing 10 games a week. We just switched our rogue for a warrior and went 8-2 this week and got a good deal above 1700 (can't remember exactly where it ended up). My 5v5 team is a joke, don't look at that one (5 DPSers, 3 of them are alts!).

Those numbers are not because I am sitting in 1 spot with a 2.61 weapon speed shooting Steady, Steady, Auto for 2-3 minutes.

During the first 20-25 seconds of the fight you are putting up mark, moving around, distracting shots whatever, you aren't in a true stand and shoot rotation yet. The next 1.5 minutes after that you are balls to the wall 1:1 which has been used as a viable shot rotation for a longtime.

When this controlled haste is over if you aren't over 2k DPS at that point you won't be over 2k DPS for the fight. You have maybe 2 minutes left in the fight at that point and all you need to do is sustain the DPS you have already achieved.

Now whether you do that w/ 2:1 or 1:1.5 it doesn't matter. Either way you are going to lose some of that DPS you created during the hasted state. The question is how much? On Anetheron for instance I posted something like 2135 DPS. I was slept towards the end of the fight when all of my haste was down where I was doing no DPS at all. Obviously that is going to effect your DPS since you aren't doing damage and even with that I still put up over 2100 DPS.

The point is the 2:1 or 1:1.5 for that short period of time should not cause your DPS to plummet. You can still expect to take a DST proc or two, quickshots if you are spec'd into that and the first guy in your drum order is going to be popping those again too.

Look at the shot chart for all of the fights in the logs. You don't see it read anything like 80 Steady Shots, 40 Auto Shots.

Drums makes a big difference and I can't stress enough getting your guild to jump on the bandwagon and go LW not only increases your personal DPS as a whole but the entire raid's DPS.

It is pretty simple - Every DPS class has trinkets and cooldowns they pop to do a large amount of DPS in X period of time. Any DPS class obviously will hit their peak damage capabilities when that happens. After that happens it just slowly diminishes the longer the fight drags on. The faster the raid boss dies, the better you look, your fellow DPS'rs look and ultimately your raid looks. Drums is an inexpensive way to push your raid to its DPS limits and the faster you can get your raid team on board with it, the faster you can benefit from it.


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I think we are all trained and set to think everytime a special goes off an auto-shot goes off or we are doing it all completely wrong. The real raid world as you know is not the same as posting what you think it should be on a board or pounding arrows at Boom all day long. While I do not for a second want you to think that those tools are invaluable to the success of our class/spec they have to be taken for what they are. Theories and tests.

Somebody posted that if you use a 2:1 rotation or a 1:1.5 rotation pretty much in the end you shoot the same amount of shots in that period of time. You shoot X amount of total shots, you just take 2 different roads to get there.

In a situation for a hunter that is wearing PvP loot and Khara loot favoring steady shot may very well not be in their best interest. For a guy with optimal raid buffs and a 4 piece T6 bonus which is right out of the box 10% Steady damage increase, Steady shot is going to do more damage then auto to merit pushing back the auto shots and losing some so that they can gain more steady shot damage. Your gear is similar to mine and in our cases we both should agree that this makes the most sense.

Your spec I believe has imp arcane, and barrage. Your Steady is buffed from your T6, you buff your Arcane, you buff your Multi. This is fine, again there is more then one way to skin a cat.

I on the other hand choose to play to the strength of my Steady shot which means a 2:1 rotation and obviously keeping myself hasted to run a 1:1.

For me a typical non-hasted rotation with my current build is:

Auto - Steady - Arcane - Auto - Multi - KC - Auto - Steady - Arcane - Auto - Steady - Wild Card (Mend Pet, Mark, etc.).

I agree that when hasted, 1:1 is without a doubt the way to go, regardless of spec/talents.

I'll try and throw some WWS reports up for comparison after this week's clear.

Your guilds DPS in general on Teron is low so your numbers fall where they do. You can't expect to hit 1900+ DPS on Teron while the rest of the raid is 1500 dps or less.

As your guilds DPS increases you will see your personal DPS numbers go up as well.

Ok, just making sure I am not doing anything wrong.

Hey guys, for my alt hunter I am interested in trying the 0/20/41 build, but was wonder at what agility level/gear level I could do this relatively successfully. I have mostly pvp gear/gruul's/kara gear and a 3.00 speed bow (blue and crappy). And I can re-gem and re-enchant most of my gear for more agility, to about 500-550 agility.
armory= yarii on argent dawn.

Also, without the really nice haste trinkets and drums access I'd also like some advice on a shot rotation, from what I gather a 1:1.5 would be best? And is a spammable macro better than manual?