Still at Dr Boom, and just for kicks I threw in a Kill Command line. I cast around 10 to 15 steadies until an autoshot went off.


In regards to Uday's dps, yes it's huge! But in my opinion with same group makeup and gear (aside trinket/talent combo) with his group make up, two lusts and no scorpid stinging, a manual 1.1:5 could do quite a bit more damage.

It's just even more amazing that he did it using a macro.


25 times a second. This is my take on repeat speed:

edit: I just tried with 5 times per second and noticed the same amount of chaining (/cast !auto shot /cast steady shot)
editx2: I just tried with twice a second, and also simply clicking it at various speeds. It actually chain steadies far more when clicking slower (~3 a second) than it did when I clicked as fast as I could. I think it's definitely got to do with the server queuing the third and consecutive steadyshots after each other.

I've got tomorrow off work so I'll be doing a LOT of tests with different macros, repetitions, passive haste amounts, DST, and I'll even juggle my latency around a little bit by turning Lowerping on/off and regedit fix on/off. (to get 180, 260, and 450 latency).

If anyone has any idea why Blasted Lands doesn't like macros but Dr Boom does, please speak up. Pet attacking or not attacking makes no difference. Latency value is the exact same in both zones, so something to do with the Azeroth/Outlands servers.

I just find KC to be bugged in a way that it's not worth it to use as SV. Probably works with 20-25ms but anything above that triggers trouble that starts to chain steady shots. /shrug

Addition to my last post, I didn't use KC line when testing in Blasted Lands.

DR.boom test... Yesterday nigth i were DR.boom testing, this was in a SV spec, but without any kind of haste (passive,DST/IAoTH). When i looked at the numbers while spammin my macro, was a pure 2:1 with rare ocations of 3:1.. this was the same results with both a 2.6, 2.7 and a 2.9 gun.

This is Of course logical since you will fire 2 steadies 2x1.5 sec = 3 sec. longer than any of the mentioned guns auto shot speed. thus they will have the same rotation at excact same speed, and thus favourizing a slow weapon.

I do still miss to do some testing with DST+IAoTH, which is the haste i have. i was wondering if this would still favourize the slow weapon, or the fast weapon would get enough benefit to do 1:1, and what is the case only 1 of them procs???

How much passive haste is needed to get into a BM 3:2 Rotation as a standard, instead of 2:1, and is it worth it?? for this you would of course need Sunwell Plaetou loot and the cloack from ZA. i know 105 haste has been mentioned for 3.00 bows.. but can it be that 105 haste is the best, is it simply the haste needed for making the steady fast enough compared to the global cooldown to make the auto shots go off like cake??

any thougths?

Are Blizzard aware of this whole situation, really?

It is kind of ridiculous that our method of dps is so broken that we need to leverage bugs in the macro system and automated key clicking to keep up.

I haven't tested with just /cast steady shot, but I tested using the steady shot button out of my spellbook and it worked just like using the normal 3:2 macro. The /cast !autoshot line is telling your character to do something he does automatically, so I don't see any reason for it to be there.

Uday's dps is further proof of what we've already seen, that a /cast macro can do great things with constant haste effects pushing it to 1:1 speeds. What's more noteworthy is that he used KC with no problems. In my experience KC only causes a problem when it is at the end of a macro.

/cast Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot works perfectly.

/cast Steady Shot
/cast Kill Command will hang sometimes.

It would feel pretty strange to just smash one button and get gear upgrades from every item that has higher iLvl without thinking if x amount of haste screws y builds dps because I'm using z weapon speed and w rotation with v amount of latency and x macro.

Did I forget something?

It is amusing to see months later people Boom testing the idea of a BM rotation on a Survival hunter. I told you all months ago it worked and nothing has changed now. When you see a Survival hunter knock out 2100 on Brutallus, yeah it works.

I still read the board and look at WWS logs and I've yet to see a 1:1.5 rotation hunter post anything but average Survival DPS. At this point those of you still fighting tooth and nail to prove that you should be running a 1:1.5 rotation or that awful hybrid spec picking up multi-shot talents are going to just continue to fall futher and further behind the 8-ball.

Instead of theory crafting how much armor pentration you can stack on your Survival hunter while running 1:1.5, check how much haste you can get out of Sunwell. It is something around 325 on gear rating. Thats as much as a DST proc boys and girls which on a 2.56 speed Survival hunter is 2.13 speed. Add in a DST if you have been fortunate enough to get one along with 2x Rapid Fire, Heroism and a couple of haste pots while running a 50% raid buffed crit + Master Tact. Time will tell.

Here is a pro tip for the Foam Finger Fans.

Macro1= /run local f = GetMouseFocus(): if f then DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME: AddMessage(f:GetName()) end

Macro2= /castsequence reset=4 Kill Command, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot

Put macro 2 anywhere on your hot bars. Scroll your mouse over where macro 2 is on your hotbars and then hit macro 1. Write down what pops up in your chat box.

Macro3= #showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/click [target=pettarget,exists] PLACE NAME OF BUTTON YOU WROTE DOWN HERE
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

Then get rid of macro 1 and use macro 3 endlessly on your G11 or G15. Credit goes to the BM hunters on that one.

The walls of text are enjoyable reads but they don't change that the guys who figured out how to properly utilize a BM shot rotation while playing a Survival hunter are still the only guys competing with BM hunter DPS. You can beat the dead horse only so long before there is nothing left to hit with the bat. Accept it, use it, improve it so instead of competing with BM hunters we can beat the BM hunters.

Unforunately though, in 5-6 months I think the guy who will be blowing up the meters is going to be the one who got his haste set and decided to switch over to a 20/41/0 build.

Wll hmmz to put some pespective on these numbers, the World Top Ten DPS Raids against Brutallus contained these Survival Hunters. The numbers returned by Uday are phenomenal.

Uday aka Lesue did 2100

Elitist Jerks very own Gonktarget did 1826
Rylai did 1728
Arkat did 1860
Zhu did 1688
Vorian did 1837
Blyy did 1499
Volchenok did 1815
Ranira did 1810
Elonanda did 1467

So I would suggest its not a case of if a manual 1:1:5 weaver could get close. I don't think anyone could get close at this moment in time.

Amazing considering Brutallus is a high armour Boss

I think people looking at this dont look at the whole picture. Read where he stated that "With pretty much optimal group set up, I was able to keep up with the two BM hunters on DPS.". Then look at the WWS report under Buffs. He had at least, if not both, BM Hunters in his group, a Feral Druid and a Shaman. Thats +6% DPS (from FIx2), +5% Crit (from Feral), and GoA...as well as getting 2 Heroisms. This is not what I would consider a "normal" group make-up for a Survival Hunter...and I think a lot of people are missing those points.

Is the DPS impressive? Yes it is. But I pulled off around 1700 DPS last week with a 1:1.5 rotation (changed to 3:2/1:1 w/ Haste) in a group with 3 Mages, myself and a Shadow priest. For some reason, I have a feeling if I had gotten 2 Heroisms, +6% DPS and +5% crit as well as Drums up for most of the fight...my DPS would have been a little Higher.

I think it is also important to note that Uday is wearing around 70 passive Haste (Polearm and Neck), which is the "sweet spot" many of us have talked about in this thread. Its like having Drums up all the time. The problem with the haste is that if you look at the itemization for it, it is a HUGE iLvL eater for stats. You will give up sockets, agility, int, stam for around 20-30 haste, which is a pretty minimal amount. The questions, in regards to adding massive amount of haste to your set is, is it worth it? Your personal DPS will increase, but how much total agility are you loosing out on by stacking Haste? Less agility = less EW worth. Its a fine balance for sure, and I dont think anyone has really run those numbers yet. The haste gear I have been looking at has been pieces that dont cause us to loose a good chunk of Agility (like the neck/ring/polearm/cape).

Now then, having said all that, im not knocking the 2:1 rotation. Im using it right now (and have been for the past week), and will post my results with it tonight after Brut. I will assume I will be in the same type of mage-tastic group, so it should be easy to compare results.

Here's another pro tip: Those 3 macros can be replaced by 1 macro with 3 lines that does the same thing.

/castrandom [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

You can stick the old /cast !Auto Shot on there at the top if you want to make sure the auto happens first.

For a hunter that always gets a great group with a sha popping heroism and 3 people banging on drums, yes haste is the way to go. You'll be doing a 1:1 rotation most of the time anyway, and haste gives the most improvement for that rotation. For the average joe hunter like me things are different. I'm not saying a 1:1.5 is better for everyone, but I know it is better for me.

Most of us aren't concerned with how 3000 dps can be achieved with 3 Heroisms, 4 drums, and a solar eclipse, we want to do the best we can with the situation we've got. The highest damage rotation is going to be the one that fires the most shots, and I'm never going to average more than 1 shot per second because I don't have access to a pile of haste effects, so excuse me while I collect some ArP gear.

I agree that these MS specs are people shooting themselves in the foot. There are two specs a survival hunter should consider, 28/33 and 20/41. If you're not willing to drop TotH for RWS, don't go past Mortal Shots.

With SPECIFIC raid support, yes. I'm lucky to get a druid, let alone the luxury of a mana battery which facilitates the use of haste pots over mana pots, leatherworkers stacking drums, etc. etc. etc, which are REQUIRED to make your playstyle feasible.

I find it "amusing" that you belittle the majority of us that are not in your ideal situation.

I shoot for a 1.5:1 rotation at the moment. On Naj, I managed 1.3:1, which seems reasonable given the three rapid fires where I drop down to 1:1. But I agree with the point. I don't think I have enough haste (zero at the moment) to think about 2:1/3:2, so 1.5:1 is the way to go. I'll work more on perfecting the timing and see if I can get my ratio closer to where it should be.

Not to belabor the point, but I just double-checked these bows against the S3 in Cheeky. Bristleblitz is indeed better, but only by 4 DPS or so for my current gear and spec. I wouldn't turn it down if no one wanted it, but I'd let others roll on it first.

We're running BT tomorrow, I'll give the 0/28/33 spec a whirl based on the advice I've receieved. Hopefully Naj will drop the Halberd this week...

I posted, awhile back, of doing 1900 DPS on Teron with a 1:1.5 and being grouped with just a BM Hunter. This was before Haste drums were dropped like they are now, and before I was switching to a 3:2/1:1 rotation while hasted (Rapid Fire). The WWS report has long since died, but it was posted regardless.

In most raids, Warlocks/Rogues are still the #1 DPS. BM Hunters/Mages/DPS Warriors will come in second...so to try and argue that you can do as much DPS as a BM Hunter is pretty futile when the +3% DPS boost would be better suited for a class that does more base damage. Meaning, if you were going to increase DPS, it is more efficient to increase the DPS of your highest DPS outputters than of your mid to low DPS. Most raid leaders will see and understand this, and that is why BM/Ferals/Shamans will usually get put with Rogues/Warriors/Warlocks/Mages. Having a Survival Hunter in there would not increase Raid DPS as much as if that spot was given to a any of those other classes.

Looking at the Top 5 Brut DPS Kills, these are the numbers in the "Top 5 DPS" classes:

BM Hunter - 4
Rogue - 8
Warlock - 11
Mage - 2

So, if you were wanting to increase DPS on Brut, which class do you really think you should be stacking with +DPS classes?

Well, when you are being grouped with Mages and healers you dont really have a choice in the matter. You could drop your own drums, but you will still be missing out on a "full" Drum cycle.

I posted my "real" results of using the rotation through a week in BT. Look at the numbers and compare for yourself. If you look at the logs, my 2:1 was near perfect, I used hate pots when available, and used Rapid Fire and Readiness when they were up. I did not skimp on anything...and the results were less than "dramatic". I might be missing a DST but I hardly doubt that is the extra 300DPS difference between making 2:1 "average" and making it "amazing".

And, this, by the way, seems pretty average:

WWS Loading...

Not trying to knock you, but for someone whos throwing the punches, stating how much better they are because of the shot rotation they have been perfecting for 9 months, as well as the group make up they get, since it is the most important thing for a Survival Hunter...1700 DPS seems about average. In fact, it seems very close to the same DPS I got from Brut doing a 1:1.5 rotation in a mage group last week. I see youre using an owl (o.O), so I can understand that "excuse", but other than that, whats the difference?

You're absolutely right. I'll have the two BM hunters in my group drop engineering for LW to benefit my dps right after I drop a shammy out of my butt.....once we get into MH.

Yes, I covet your results. But they're just not feasible for the majority of us as they require specific support we don't have access to.

The DPS was average, I won't tell you it wasn't. I ran Scorpid, took no haste pots and I received no heroism. My group was Main tank, Feral Tank, Resto Shaman, Myself and a Healing Druid. The Shaman was swapped into the melee group for heroism.

This is why the /cast rotation is better and hopefully then you will understand what makes the rotation better then 1:1.5 since you apparently don't.

Steady Shot scales better with AP and speed better then arcane and multi. You also get a trinket from BT as well as a set bonus that are all focused off of using Steady Shot. Your gear is built to use Steady Shot. If you are running a _real_ 1:1.5 rotation you will see many arguments in this very forum that say you should not use ANY haste items because it messes up the rotation. If you don't believe that you can filter through these pages and read it for yourself and argue with those posters if you do not agree.

The reason they say not to use the hastes is because it forces you to lose shots in one form or another making the idea of a 1:1.5 moot. Also because maybe people such as yourself spec deeper into the MM tree then 20 points, if you are not using multi-shot in your rotation then you are essentially wasting talent points.

You are simply bound by cooldowns when you use a proper 1:1.5 rotation. You've already dictated which shots you will fire and when you will be firing them. Your castsequence macro also helps to lock you into this rotation. You are saying that you are going to get a bulk of your damage from Arcane and Multi-Shots. You rely on these shots and are forced to live off cooldowns.

The BM style rotation gets rid of these restrictions and the /cast macro self adjusts to your hasted situation. This is why it is so good.

And to just simply stop arguing about who gets better groups and who doesn't........ If you are receiving Heroism, DST procs, Rapid Fire, Haste Pots, Drums and also Quick Shots your attack speed changes so much (I know this because I did it w/ a 1:1.5 rotation which made my change to what I use now) it is very difficult if not impossible to adjust your rotation from 1:1.5 to 1:1. If you are running a strick 1:1.5 rotation and quick shots proc in this case even then it does not justify going from your 1:1.5 rotation down to a 1:1 rotation. You'd actually lose DPS.

The self adjusting steady shot macro allows you to benefit from ANY type of hasted state. You could have every single haste buff going at once to just having drums up and everything in between and the Steady Shot rotation will benefit. This means more attacks.... More attacks with Surv hunters running 50% crit means alot more DPS. Do you understand this?

So yes, on Brutallus I got DST haste and I self drummed a couple of times, kept scorpid up and used an owl that did a little less DPS and I basically produced the same results as a 1:1.5 hunter is going to produce. This justifies that the BM rotation is just as good as a 1:1.5 rotation with a guy spec'd past 20 in the MM tree.

You've basically said it yourself my DPS was the same as the next guy. The difference is when I am in a position on Brutallus to run at my optimal DPS and I start popping haste pots and getting heroisms my DPS is going to sky rocket like you see in Uday's WWS. This is why I have been able to produce big numbers on alot of the BT/Hyjal fights.

You running the 1:1.5 rotation will in noway have the same results as me for the reasons I've already stated in this post. It just can't happen. You can change your rotation or try to do it like I did when I was running 1:1.5 or you can just accept the fact that running BM the whole way in the end is better.

I hope I was able to explain and help you understand really why this rotation will out shine the stagnant 1:1.5 rotation.

Think about it - You ran 1750 on Brutallus and are spec'd for extra Multi Damage. I run 1713 spec'd specifically for a speed rotation and I barely got the speed required to optimize the rotation. That should tell you something. Our raid buffs were virtually the same yeah? You were doing scorpid, I was doing scorpid yeah?

Now think about Gonktarget. Go look at his WWS and his buffs. He runs the 1:1.5 rotation. He did 1850 DPS in what most of you would consider a great group. He also used an Owl. He ran 137 DPS better then I did. Now look at Uday who pretty much had the samething as Gonktarget did with the exception of a 2nd heroism. He runs 2100 DPS, 250 more then Gonktarget.

You can continue to theorycraft and test until the cows come home it isn't going to change the patterns that are being seen and pointing out my 1713 DPS on Brutallus pretty much reinforces what I've been saying this entire time.

So, youre saying with heroism (or even 2 of them), and with being able to use Haste pots and not having to be on Scorpid duty and being able to use a real DPS pet...you could have done better DPS?! What?! Theres also a difference between JUST using a 1:1.5 rotation, and using a 1:1.5 rotation with no haste, and then switching to a 3:2/1:1 rotation when you get the Haste to make it viable.


Im always open for criticism...so if you have a reasonable way of suggesting I can increase my DPS, im all for it. This does not include being in a better group or anything like that. I dont get the luxury of getting a Heroism every boss fight, or a Feral Druid or even a BM Hunter (this last week was the first time in about 5weeks I was grouped with a BM Hunter, and thats because we had a shortage of Rogues sign on)...I dont even get drums 90% of the time because the people I am normally grouped with dont use them (healers/caster). The shot rotations, in both cases, were "standard" of the rotation I was using. As I stated before, I did not skimp on any pots on any of the fights, and I also posted my issues I was having on fights like RoS/Teron where the macro would keep getting stuck casting Steady over and over again anytime I took any direct damage. So again, any input is on what I could do differently is well appreciated. This is what this forum is for right?

I haven't seen anyone claim that.

Then you are talking to the wrong people. While I haven't armoried every player, I know there is not a surplus of hunters from world class guilds posting here. My guild only killed Illidan a month ago. I'm not posting WWS reports because I know nobody gives a damn what dps my inferior gear and groupings produce.

Nobody is saying 1:1.5 is the ultimate rotation. We're simply saying it is the best for some people. You are seeing insults where there are none, and acting belligerent for no good reason.

Edit: Except for those silly macros you posted. I don't know why anyone would try to make something so complex out of something so simple.

Just read my edited post above yours Sore. If you still don't get it I don't know what to tell you.

I use Bongos for my bars and that Macro 1 I posted works with it. If you are using different bar mods it may not work. If you look in the BM Bible thread there is a post that allows you to set-up that style of a macro no matter what bar mod you use.

I understand the usefulness of the 2:1 rotation..which is why I am trying it out now. The problem comes into play when all those +haste modifiers you use to get your DPS so high, are not available to everyone. I dont have a DST (despite doing Gruul just about every week), I am not placed in a Shaman group often enough that I can rely on getting a Heroism, I also am rarely in a group with people who drop Drums at a rate which keeps them up through the whole fight. I am also not wearing any +haste gear because none has become available to me yet. So, do I understand the value of +Haste? Yes, I do...but at the same time, to utilize it to its "max" potential, you have to really get EVERYTHING - Drums, Haste Pots, haste gear, Heroism...all of which Uday had. I can not reasonably reproduce that same set up right now, so its not an option for me.

Using a 1:1.5 rotation in itself can be a loss of DPS, BUT, if you know when you are going to get Hasted, then being able to swap to a 3:2/1:1 rotation is not difficult. This is ideal for the people who do not get Drums, or have 5/5 iAotH or a DST...those things can be random and mess up the 1.5:1 rotation and make it hard to switch. But, if swap rotations when you use Rapid Fire, or get a Heroism or pop a Haste pot...it is controlled Haste, and makes it easy to swap rotations.

The biggest problem with 2:1, that not many people seem to understand, is that despite it being so good, it does not work for everyone. Depending on your latency and computer and if the moon is full or not, the macro will sometimes just get stuck chaining Steady Shot. BM's have experienced this issue, and even that macro you posted is not a guarantee that it will work for everyone (as someone posted in this same thread that it didnt work for them). I even posted that just being in Blasted Lands (as opposed to Netherstorm) caused my 2:1 to chain more. Theres not much that I can do about that. While going though BT this week, I was watching my casting bar the whole time to see when it would chain, and if it did, I had to release the macro and wait for Auto to start casting again...something you dont ever have to do with a 1.5:1.

I think its great when I see a Survival Hunter come up with such high numbers...I really do. We are often seen as the "outcasted" Hunter who doesnt need to be in a DPS group since our Raid Buff works on everyone regardless of what group we are in. But at the same time, the people who come up with these high numbers are in ideal situations. To buff your DPS, they are essentially taking away DPS from someone like a Warlock/Rogue who would benefit more from things like +5% Crit/+3% DPS or even Heroism. Yes, they increase our personal DPS...but are more useful on other people. I love getting a Heroism, but the fact of the matter is, at least for my guild, Warlocks/Rogues rule the DPS charts...so I would much rather they get it than me. But maybe thats just me. Let me put it into a little more of a perspective:

Say there are 3 DPS classes. Each one is a full DPS class, but there max potential is different. Max potential = what there DPS is under normal, non-buffed circumstances. So, this is how they look:

Class 1 = 2000 DPS
Class 2 = 1800 DPS
Class 3 = 1500 DPS

Now then, you have an option to give one of these classes a buff that will increase there DPS output by 3%. WHich one do you give it to? Some might say "Give it to the lowest DPS, because they need the boost". Well, you would be wrong. Since the buff is % based, you would want to give it to whoever will do the max potential DPS with is. A 3% increase in DPS to Class 3 is 45, making it 1545 total. Where as a 3% increase to Class 1 is 60, making is 2060. See the difference between 45 and 60?

So for things like Heroism - instead of giving it to 3 or 4 different groups, what you should be doing is chaining it through your highest DPS classes by swapping Shamans in/out throughout the fight. Brut does not "enrage" at a certain %, he is timer based...so there is no reason to wait to give it to Rogues or Warlocks until sub 20%. If you look at the top WWS DPS, which is Might - Turalyon (Wow Web Stats), that is exactly what they did. The Rogues/Warlocks/Mage each got 2 Heroisms, The BM Hunters got 1 and the Survival Hunter got 0. Thats how you maximize your DPS.

Seems like some people are getting a bit flustered about this...

I think we need to understand the point that Kurkis is making, that being, from a theorycrafted point of view, BM rotations outperform 1.5:1 rotations.

The unusual thing is that Kurkis has been able to put his theorycrafting into practice thanks to his group setup (leatherworkers, heroisms, Readiness for 2x Rapid Fire).

As for me, I'm further back progression-wise and I get a raw-deal with group setup so I'm rather stuck with the 1.5:1. I'm lucky to get a feral druid and GoA comes out once in a blue moon with our guild. More shamans recruited lately so maybe I'll get my GoA eventually.

Anyway, I digress, my point is

Theory says 3:2 / 1:1...
Practice for Kurkis says 3:2 / 1:1
Practice for most of us says 1.5:1

It's not the best but it's the best I can do with what I've got which is, in the end, all I can do.

Kurkis does make a good point though regarding Sunwell & haste gear, that being that we will be able to attain passive haste easily and might be able to come to his rotation style with a different approach to reaching those rotations (passive instead of transient haste). It does beg the question "how much will that haste gear gimp us" but I'll leave that debate to someone else.

I am going to sound stupid and probably catch another infraction. Since this is my third, I may even be banned, but oh well, atleast keep the post here.

I know you people (EJ posters in general) don't like to specifically isolate your references, however saying something like 'check the BM thread, the answer is there' is ...sparce to say the least. Now I am sure that had I read the last 10 pages of both threads in one sitting I'd know exactly what you are talking about. But for not only setting up a good SV macro (actually BM macro as I HAVE read the last three pages in one sitting) during RoS P2, but other references, would it kill for a little specifying?

More than that, let me make sure I have what you are saying clear;

-You have passive haste of around 80 (T/F?).
-You regularly have the haste (not talking about crit/agi/ap yet) benifits of bloodlust (lol heroism, i was confused for a minute until I saw you guys are alliance), and drums of battle, with DST/IAOTH/Haste Potions thrown in (T/F?).
-You utilize a single macro that conforms with no alteration no matter what your current shot speed is to either a 3:2 or 1:1 form (T/F?).
-Taking away your spike haste (DST/IAOTH?/Potions?) is responsible for dropping about 380DPS(T/F?)

Before I actually get into trying to deconstruct these lastfew pages for yet another attempt at being SV for Sunwell, I just want to make sure that I am understanding what I have read correctly.

I am currently trying this since I am unhappy with my damage and Kurkis/Uday's reports are really promising. The usual 1:1.5 rotation is really limited and does not benefit from haste much where steady shot spam rotation is really great with haste. I can try to answer you, but keep in mind I am still new to this myself (and undergeared compared to Kurkis/Uday)

- The 80 haste rating is from Drums of Battle rotation. It's not likely you'd get it on trash (unless your guild is REALLY SERIOUS), but it's great on bosses. Four person with 350 Leatherworking required for it to be up all the time (30 sec buff, 2 minutes cooldown).

- The longer you are hasted the better. A shaman bloodlust/heroism is a big deal since it's a long haste.

- Any /cast macros are auto-ajusting to haste. Some get stuck so be careful.

- I can't really answer this one since I'm not experienced enough. A steady shot spam rotation (2:1->3:2->1:1) greatly benefits from haste, your aim should be to get hasted as much as possible.