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Old 09/22/12, 10:58 PM   #61
Namarus
Don Flamenco
 
Orc Hunter
 
Demon Soul
Anyone else notice how it is impossible to use up a full stack of cobra strikes without losing one of them under ideal conditions.

15s duration, and it would take 18s to get 6 basic attacks off. I've placed a bug report for this, but this is something to be aware of when you get 6 stacks, you want to try and force a proc of cobra strikes at some point to refresh your duration. Ideally when you have 3 or less stacks.

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Old 09/24/12, 1:06 PM   #62
Nooska
King Hippo
 
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
A quick note before I get swamped in private messages on release; OP will be updated during the next 2-3 days with all the TBD stuff. The guide should be polished at raid unlock next week, and will, as usual, be under continued evaluation.

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Old 09/28/12, 3:51 AM   #63
Lunaboreal
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Galakrond
Hey, all! I'm a bm hunter trying to get the most I can out of this new expansion. On both my character stats and a few quick target dummy tests, I'm seeing a dps gain with crit + haste gear. For example in reverse, I had replaced my the Cinch of the World Shaman (281 agi, blue socket w/20 agi & 30 stam, + 10 agi bonus, 153 crit, 215 haste) with a Cord of Dragon Sinew (321 agi, red socket w/40 agi, blue socket w/20 agi + 30 stam, extra socket w/40 agi, +20 agi bonus, 205 crit, 227 mastery). I ended up keeping the Cord of Dragon Sinew for the ilevel and reforging some of my 30% mastery into haste, and gemming and enchanting for a little more haste. Windflurry cata (agi,crit, & haste) greens also showed more dps than Monkey (agi) and other combinations.

This is the opposite of what's in the guide above. Can someone explain this? Am I missing something? There is a reference to a simulation favoring haste. What simulation is it? Why am I not seeing the synergy between mastery & crit? And, also, please post tables for haste and whatever else there is.

I appreciate the guide! Thank you.

Last edited by Lunaboreal : 10/09/12 at 11:56 PM.

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Old 10/06/12, 5:54 AM   #64
Nooska
King Hippo
 
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
A large portion of the OP was updated yesterday, in addition to getting in some info that was yet to be done, cooldown descriptions have ben given an overhaul, thanks to Esoth commenting that he disagreed with me on uisng RF and BW together, I noticed that I never got that updated as a result of the discussion in the thread.

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Old 10/10/12, 12:56 PM   #65
Rookee
Glass Joe
 
Pandaren Hunter
 
Barthilas
Hi, coming back to hunters after a long time, used to play an MM hunter back in ICC. Does serpent sting refresh still work the way it did back then, as in if you cast it during a % dmg increase proc like our 4 set back in ICC and then refresh it via chimera for the entire fight, its damage would be increased. Does it still work that way with effects like bestial wrath?

Also another thing i'm not able to math out is if it is actually worth delaying bestial wrath each time by 30 seconds to stack it with lynx rush and rabid, all three together? If not is it better to stack rabid with lynx rush or with bestial wrath?

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Old 10/10/12, 1:35 PM   #66
Azortharion
Glass Joe
 
Pandaren Hunter
 
Ragnaros (EU)
Originally Posted by Rookee View Post
Hi, coming back to hunters after a long time, used to play an MM hunter back in ICC. Does serpent sting refresh still work the way it did back then, as in if you cast it during a % dmg increase proc like our 4 set back in ICC and then refresh it via chimera for the entire fight, its damage would be increased. Does it still work that way with effects like bestial wrath?

Also another thing i'm not able to math out is if it is actually worth delaying bestial wrath each time by 30 seconds to stack it with lynx rush and rabid, all three together? If not is it better to stack rabid with lynx rush or with bestial wrath?
Why are you asking MM questions here?

Well, today, Cobra Shot will be refreshing Serpent Sting for you if you play BM / Surv (which you really should), and Chimera still does it for MM as far as I am concerned. Bestial Wrath is not used in MM (as in, not available).

Dependent on the fight, yes, it is worth delaying BW, but only if you need the burst OR you are 100% certain that you won't be missing out on a BW by delaying it.

Rabid is not that major of a cooldown, stacking them all together is the most beneficial, BW + Rabid is good, but both are temporary buffs, whereas Lynx Rush is a damaging ability. Stack all 3 for extra pewpew.

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Old 10/10/12, 2:10 PM   #67
Rookee
Glass Joe
 
Pandaren Hunter
 
Barthilas
It wasnt an MM question. I was merely refering to the mechanic of serpent sting retaining dmg modifier as long as it doesnt drop off. I merely wanted to know to figure out an opening rotation, whether it mattered if you applied serpent sting while BW buff was active on you or not.

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Old 10/10/12, 2:57 PM   #68
Tsoni
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Orc Hunter
 
Outland (EU)
As a BM hunter, what is the best approach when you have cleave-kind of boss (e.g. Stone Guardians)? Is it better to just focus on single target or going in with MS and ExT?

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Old 10/11/12, 4:38 AM   #69
Nooska
King Hippo
 
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Argent Dawn (EU)
Multishot triggers Beastcleave, but with only 2 targets, you will most likely see a better damage output by going singletarget, and just keeping up SrS on both targets. If you want to max aoe damage, you should keep beastcleave active with a multishot every 3-4 seconds, and 1 or 2 CoS your primary target between each MS to keep up your focus. If you are using TotH for AoE, you can pop 2 MS between every CoS and keep it up for more AoE damage from MS.

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Old 10/11/12, 6:49 AM   #70
Tsoni
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Outland (EU)
Yeah, I was also thinking about using TotH over DB on the first boss there. One other thing, I know this is topic about BM, but would anyone recommended going Surv on fights like this?
Unfortunately, there isn't any simulation (or I'm not aware of such) which would mimic this kind of fight.

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Old 10/11/12, 9:01 AM   #71
Harrumph
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
Originally Posted by Rookee View Post
I was merely refering to the mechanic of serpent sting retaining dmg modifier as long as it doesnt drop off.
No, all modifiers have been dynamic since Cataclysm.

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Old 10/11/12, 9:56 AM   #72
NoGoal
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Hunter
 
Terenas (EU)
Is it even worth it to cast SrS on a second Quilen? Considering it will sometimes get the 90% damage reduction.

What I'm doing for now is put MoC on both Quilens at start, 1-3 MultiShot under BW as focus allows and single target rest of the time. My tanks move too much for ExT so I only use it on the pull.

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Old 10/13/12, 8:47 AM   #73
Nooska
King Hippo
 
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
As an update, to contradict my previous statements on it:
With the october 12th hotfix to rabid, changing it from attackpower to pet haste, my recommendation based on the analytical gains, is to leave it on autocast for all pets and no longer macro it to Lynx Rush or anything else.

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Old 10/13/12, 8:59 AM   #74
Pathemeous
Glass Joe
 
Pandaren Hunter
 
Thunderhorn (EU)
Originally Posted by Nooska View Post
As an update, to contradict my previous statements on it:
With the october 12th hotfix to rabid, changing it from attackpower to pet haste, my recommendation based on the analytical gains, is to leave it on autocast for all pets and no longer macro it to Lynx Rush or anything else.
Would you mind elaborating on your thoughts behind this? I'm curious to know.

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Old 10/13/12, 10:37 AM   #75
Nooska
King Hippo
 
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
The reasoning is quite simple, pet attack speed buff interacts with nothing, so it has no benefits waiting with it, apart from the already discussed "worth binding with BW" - which I will analytically say no to, as Rabid still has a 1.4 minute cooldown meaning you wast .6 minutes of it every 2 minutes, or 43% per 2 minutes.

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