[MoP] Beastmastery 5.2 - Page 9

Renato · 12/14/12, 2:42 PM

That doesn't make any sense. If Serpent Sting is more damage per global and more damage per focus than Arcane Shot then it is obvious that using Serpent Sting over Arcane Shot on any target would be a better use of your 1 global. Even if you do not maintain the Serpent Sting just applying it and letting it tick for the 15 seconds on a secondary target would provide a higher amount of damage per focus and per global than any other ability you can use.

Now the real question that comes up is how many targets before Multi-Shot every 4 seconds is better than just simply tab Serpent Stinging?

Whitefyst · 12/14/12, 3:07 PM

Originally Posted by Renato

That doesn't make any sense. If Serpent Sting is more damage per global and more damage per focus than Arcane Shot then it is obvious that using Serpent Sting over Arcane Shot on any target would be a better use of your 1 global. Even if you do not maintain the Serpent Sting just applying it and letting it tick for the 15 seconds on a secondary target would provide a higher amount of damage per focus and per global than any other ability you can use.

Now the real question that comes up is how many targets before Multi-Shot every 4 seconds is better than just simply tab Serpent Stinging?

You are indeed correct. As I stated in a reply in the Simple Answers thread, SrS on a target with no debuffs still does about twice the damage of an AS on a fully debuffed target and costs less focus by 5. Hence, almost anytime you can substitute a SrS on a secondary target for an AS on the primary target is a DPS gain and benefit to the raid. The exceptions include when it is important to kill the primary target ASAP, where any damage on the secondary targets is wiped away by that target being at full health when it becomes the primary target, or where the secondary target will die before the SrS ticks more than a couple ticks. Even in the later case, a SrS to kill the target is still more efficient focus wise than a AS, although it takes longer for the kill.

My analysis indicates that it is only benefitial to maintain SrS on up to 2 secondary targets that are grouped in AoE situation, but that it can still be beneficial to hit additional targets if they are spread out and you do not lose significant attack time from the switching of targets to cast the SrS on them.

For group AoE, SrS does not make sense to use if the group has 4 or more targets. The MS damage on the targets overweighs the benefits of spending GCDs to switch targets and SrS them up. If you have BW available during the AoE situation, then ignoring SrS for more MSs is even more important.

Thus, the situation is pretty similar to before the SrS buff. Use MS to AoE if there are 4 or more targets, otherwise you are better off doing single target DPS with the addition now of SrS up to 3 targets. including the primary target.

♦ Tobin · 12/15/12, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Vitaro

As of 5.1.0, Fervor is on the GCD again, so cannot be macro'ed together with another ability anymore.

Fervor still doesn't invoke a GCD, not that I find Fervor particularly useful for BM...

Artemisis · 01/11/13, 3:06 AM

I have a general question about pet damage. My pet seems to be doing about 1/2 as many melee swings and claw attacks as the other two hunters in the raid and it is severely hurting my dps. We cant figure out why. Two of us are using the same pet, I even have a slightly higher ilevel. At first I thought it may be pet focus, but that would not account for basic melee swings that do not cost focus. Its not haste as I have about the same if not slightly more haste. None of us can figure out wth is going on.

Here is a link to tonights loggs for H Zor'lok attempts

Damage Done - 10-01 20:48 - Thirteen Thirty Seven - World of Logs

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Edit, after looking at the pet logs more closely, it seems my rabid has gone off only 1/2 the time, yet it is on auto cast. Is there a bug which prevents it from auto casting in raids some of the time? I know it there was a bug reported back in Cata about this. Going to try macroing it into arcane shot or KC to see if it fixes the issue.

NoGoal · 01/11/13, 5:19 AM

Tibiron has the Glyph of Stampede hence the 8 more Rabid over 5+ mins fights (2x 4 pets with the same name). You get as much Rabids but spread over pet names.

Same for attacks, etc.

Nerec · 01/11/13, 8:21 AM

regarding the new presented t15 set boni: scaling with BM for hawks is already confirmed. But do guardian scale also with other things?! Or will the hawks also be scale like pets (same as DB)?

pichuca · 01/11/13, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Artemisis

I have a general question about pet damage. My pet seems to be doing about 1/2 as many melee swings and claw attacks as the other two hunters in the raid and it is severely hurting my dps. We cant figure out why. Two of us are using the same pet, I even have a slightly higher ilevel. At first I thought it may be pet focus, but that would not account for basic melee swings that do not cost focus. Its not haste as I have about the same if not slightly more haste. None of us can figure out wth is going on.

Here is a link to tonights loggs for H Zor'lok attempts

Damage Done - 10-01 20:48 - Thirteen Thirty Seven - World of Logs

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Edit, after looking at the pet logs more closely, it seems my rabid has gone off only 1/2 the time, yet it is on auto cast. Is there a bug which prevents it from auto casting in raids some of the time? I know it there was a bug reported back in Cata about this. Going to try macroing it into arcane shot or KC to see if it fixes the issue.

Also differents usages of focus fire will end in different # of melee swings for different hunters. tibiron used FF 82 times while you used it 95. that will mean more melee swings for his pet (before haste)

Artemisis · 01/11/13, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by NoGoal

Tibiron has the Glyph of Stampede hence the 8 more Rabid over 5+ mins fights (2x 4 pets with the same name). You get as much Rabids but spread over pet names.

Same for attacks, etc.

I will try that out also. I read somewhere that Rabid's were reading the cooldown of the pet that was currently out with that glyph. I guess I am not understaing the mechanic too well then. Since I dont have the glyph wont my other pets have rabids when the ability is used? Or am I dumbing it up and the log is just reading the stampeded pets as one on the log hence the increased amounts? Any other possibilities?

Thanks much for the response.

Nooska · 01/11/13, 2:40 PM

It was confirmed earlier in this thread that the "bug" (?) with Glyph of Stampede copying the CD of the pets rabid (etc) has been "fixed". It used to be in the OP as a warning, but has since been removed. The cloned stampede pets have the same unique name and identifiers so for all intents and purposes they are identical, and world of logs cannot distinguish between them.

Regarding 2t15 bonui as currently known and including the answers the thunderhawk will scale with mastery for damage done for BM only, but has a lower proc rate for BM (0.7 RPPM) as compared to SV (1 RPPM)and MM (1.2 RPPM). Since its on the RPPM system, it will also scale with haste by increasing the amount of procs (so at 42.86% haste we will get 1 PPM). Basically since the amount of attacks etc do not scale with haste as currently known, 2t15 further devalues haste for BM, as any haste amount to increase amount of procs would give more damage by going into mastery. 2t15 will likely also tip the scale making mastery clearly superior to crit.

NoGoal · 01/12/13, 6:43 AM

Originally Posted by Nooska

2t15 will likely also tip the scale making mastery clearly superior to crit.

GC said 2 and 4 bonuses can crit. Would that change your statement? If not, why would it change now?

Nooska · 01/13/13, 4:50 AM

I am not sure; My statement was made before I became aware of GCs statement.
My gut instinct is that it will still tip the scale in favor of mastery (since they are already averagely equal, dancing around eachother), with 5 attacks from 2t15, and a crit rate at 20+% we should averagely see 1 attack crit, and sometimes a second (in a vacuum). Mastery will add to all of those attacks linearly, while crit will only sometimes help, and only consistently (on average) help in intervals of ~20% crit being located at the break points +/- 10% (so 10, 30, 50, 70 and 90) where it will tip the balance towards the next attack being a crit more often than not. This is still evolving though, so I will reserve final judgment till we actually know a bit more and/or have some tests to work from.

Nooska · 01/22/13, 5:29 AM

Originally Posted by nicocba

Which is currently the shot priority after i've done my full openning rotation?

I can't believe that I've missed out on actually writing down the priority/rotation all this time (and noone asked specifically about it). That section of the guide is now done.

nicocba · 01/22/13, 7:41 AM

Originally Posted by Nooska

I can't believe that I've missed out on actually writing down the priority/rotation all this time (and noone asked specifically about it). That section of the guide is now done.

Thanks for the update, looking at that priority I think that I'm using a lot CoS and not that much AS. I'll work on that

Escort · 01/29/13, 1:10 PM

I have been skimming through the forums to try and catch up - but have a question that I did not see addressed. The Female-Dwarf dps calculator suggests the use of a Murder of Crows as opposed to Lynx Rush. In the beginning of this forum, Lynx Rush is suggested. Anyone able to help me clarify and, maybe, explain the rationale.

Thanks!

Nooska · 01/30/13, 4:17 AM

The Lynx Rush recomendation was made before it was reworked, and the current description of LR is wrong - I will look into this. LR was originally recomended over MoC because MoC is a 30 second nonstackable dot, meaning you don't get the full benefit of readiness with it.
That being said, I suppose Rivkah may explain why MoC is suggested - though the suggestion seems to be spec independant, meaning that the suggested talents may just be to give a quick start that isn't "wrong".