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09/15/12, 5:50 PM
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Great Tiger
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[MoP] Best Possible DPS with Zeherah's Hunter DPS Analyzer (femaledwarf.com)
Last edited by Whitefyst : 03/10/13 at 11:40 PM. |
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09/16/12, 3:11 AM
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Last edited by Lilbitters : 09/16/12 at 3:57 AM. |
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Bitterst of <Void> on US-Mug'thol, <Ascent> on US-Thrall, and <Shadow Remains> on US-Earthen Ring
BittersUI (updated for MoP) - http://www.wowinterface.com/download...1920x1080.html |
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09/16/12, 3:25 AM
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09/16/12, 11:23 AM
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They also caught a lot of the settings that I stated to use but didn't since they must have gotten lost somewhere along the way when going back to the initial settings or undoing other settings. Now that I have saved versions (and backups) with the settings correct, they should not be lost again. Losing the 0ms latency setting and the Sha-touched gems made a big difference in the results. Concerning the LW "benefit", it is my understanding that the base bracer enchant is being increased to 180 agi to eliminate the extra benefit in agi for LW. Regardless, the extra 10 agi, as compared to over 18800 agi total, it really not that big of a deal. One observation that I made when doing the initial MM settings for this and which is was further clarified with your settings it that Aimed Shot does not scale well relative to the other shots (or has been nerfed since I did the normal gear analysis). It is now beneficial to cast GT and SrS and CS during the CA phase with the GCDs and focus spent on them costing AI casts. It is also no longer beneficial to cast AI outside the CA phase, unless you are stacking multiple haste effects. Even at about a 1.33s AI cast time during RFs, it is not worth using. This is one of the items that will be updated in the MM guide for MoP release. I had already felt that AI needed a small boost to increase our desire to use it under large dynamic haste effects (a small boost would have made it worthwhile during BL), but the current situation is going the wrong way with making AI undesirable even during RF and lower priority during the CA phase. This really takes a lot of the flavor out of MM and makes it so that dynamic haste effects are not nearly as beneficial as they used to be for MM. With only 3.9% haste from gear and the T14 4P, SS is already GCD capped during RF. It is GCD capped with 11.89% haste from gear during BLs. Hence, now the largest benefits for MM during dynamic haste effects are increased autshot frequency and focus regen. Last edited by Whitefyst : 09/16/12 at 4:07 PM. |
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09/16/12, 12:51 PM
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09/16/12, 3:45 PM
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Bitterst of <Void> on US-Mug'thol, <Ascent> on US-Thrall, and <Shadow Remains> on US-Earthen Ring
BittersUI (updated for MoP) - http://www.wowinterface.com/download...1920x1080.html |
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09/16/12, 4:46 PM
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09/16/12, 5:23 PM
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09/16/12, 7:00 PM
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Although a full 10% CA phase does benefit MM some, the benefit is not as large as it used to be in Cata. All of the extra CDs we have greatly reduce the number of CA GCDs and available focus that are used on AI. Over this long 44s CA phase, only 11 AIs are performed. I count 14 GCDs during the CA phase that are used on other shots that were not performed previously in the CA phase. In addition, MMs perform less SSs in the CA phase currently too since not as many are needed for focus or SF maintenance. Furthermore, relatively speaking, AI just does not currently hit as hard relatively to other options as it used to, even with including the 100% crit chance and the PS effect. This is why it is worth it to cast MoC, DB, GT, and SrS/CS in the CA phase now. So although it is true that an extended CA phase does benefit MM DPS, it does not benefit nearly as much as it used to do. Although the full KS phase benefits all 3 specs roughly equally since they are do about the same number of KSs and KS does about the same amount of damage for each, the extended KS phase helps MM the least of the 3 specs by a little bit. Removing KS from the priority hurts BS the most at about 3070 DPS, SV about the same at around 3017 DPS, and MM the least at approximately 2800. So on that point, you are actually misinformed about it helping MM most. Remember, these Max DPS simulations are never 100% realistic, even for a standstill Patchwerk type fight. How many people have 0 latency and human reaction time and always know exactly the most perfect shot to perform with wasting the minimum amount of focus and delaying critical CDs by the minimum amount of time. Furthermore, a lot of these DPS gains/losses you see in FD are do to shot shifting and may not necessarily be real. And on how many fights do we start with BL at the start? It happens on a decent number of them, but even more save BL for some other critical phase of the fight, which skews the CA and KS phase periods more. It is just as reasonable to point out that players almost never have 100% DPS uptime. It is also fair to point out that on many fights, pets have to switch targets or are stunned and that this simulation of 100% pet attack time and 100% hunter attack time (more GftT procs) unfairly benefits BM since they have not only greater pet DPS uptime but greater pet WH uptime. There are also situations in the simulation that unfairly benefit SV hunters as well. These numbers just provide a decent baseline of what each spec can possibly do under the scenario provided for the simulation. It is then up for the individual players to apply judgements on the results to decide what is the best thing to do for real game play situations for their characters on a particular fight. So unless someone can come up with better CA phase and KS phase estimates that fit every scenario in the game, I am going to leave these settings as is. EDIT: For the sake of posterity, I reran the sims with the extreme case of reducing the CA phase to 5% and the KS phase to 15% of the fight. Here is the resulting DPS loss for each spec. BM: -695 DPS MM: -2054 DPS SV: -642 DPS As expected, MM DPS was affected the most, but by only about 1.2% of overall DPS for the extreme case. Last edited by Whitefyst : 09/16/12 at 7:28 PM. |
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09/17/12, 12:01 AM
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Piston Honda
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Bitterst of <Void> on US-Mug'thol, <Ascent> on US-Thrall, and <Shadow Remains> on US-Earthen Ring
BittersUI (updated for MoP) - http://www.wowinterface.com/download...1920x1080.html |
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09/17/12, 2:25 AM
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09/17/12, 8:42 PM
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BM Racial/Profession Neutral DPS: 105692.58 -> 112356.92 (+6664.34) FD Link: Zeherah's Hunter DPS Analyzer Date: 9-17-2012 Changes: -Shot Priority: Removed Focus Fire -Minimum Focus to use Arcane Shot: 70 BM Max DPS DPS: 109876.62 -> 117130.28 (+7253.66) FD Link: Zeherah's Hunter DPS Analyzer Date: 9-17-2012 Changes: -Shot Priority: Removed Focus Fire -Minimum Focus to use Arcane Shot: 65 |
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Bitterst of <Void> on US-Mug'thol, <Ascent> on US-Thrall, and <Shadow Remains> on US-Earthen Ring
BittersUI (updated for MoP) - http://www.wowinterface.com/download...1920x1080.html |
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09/18/12, 12:31 AM
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Incidentally, we have the great fortune to have 3 different tools for hunter modeling right now. If you get a surprising result in one sim tool, it's worth verifying with another. In this case, it's straightforward to check with simc:  > simc ptr=1 Hunter_BM_T14N.simc copy=no_focus_fire skip_actions=focus_fire 86451 50.7% Hunter_BM_T14N 83925 49.3% no_focus_fire |
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