Hi there dear fellows hunters,

I'm not that used to ask for help since I put a lot of time into theorycrafting on my own side but this time I'm just ... clueless about something that has been driving me crazy for a while now. My character is pretty well geared (T6 gear including the new parts), my stats are around the average of any hunter from high end guilds currently in Sunwell.

Anyway, my character isn't the actual problem here it's all about my dear pet. We've been killing Brutallus for 3 weeks now and I was on scorpid duty on every downs except this one tonight so I decided to unload everything with precise timing on drums, trinkets and The Beast Within and the result is : a poor 1950 dps.
So I checked on the wws to see if there was something I did wrong or had a really unlucky miss combo and everything was definitely normal, nothing obvious. After a few others research over the wws site I discovered that my personnal dps (without the pet) was what any other BM hunter would get at 2300+ dps, the only difference was on the pet and worst of all : the sole "swing" ability.

Believe me when I say I've checked a tons of wws from hunter over 2k2 dps and the only difference was always about my pet swing, so I guess its the only ability dependent of gear and external factors like buffs and group composition - I'm not quite sure since I never looked that deeply into my pet abilities
From hunters with the same group (healer shaman), there is about a +100 dps on swing which mean roughly 30k damage more for them beeing the only meaningful difference I noted on every logs I looked on.

So here I am asking for help with my ravager, specced like any other : cobra reflexes, gore, bite and using Kc via a macro (all abilities at the higher rank of course) with a shy 187dps on the paperdoll unbuffed (788ap) and an average of 430 dps on the latest Brutallus fight when I've seen a lot of 550+ ones over the most wws I've seen.

To end the suffering of reading a so long post, I'm just wondering if respeccing the pet so often (fire for Archimonde / Illidan back when we were still raiding BT) and pvp is a cause of dps loss after all or just an urban legend and if having improved hunter mark will compensate the lack of dps by any amount close to the ones seen on the pre-said other hunters stats.

Any help would be most welcome and thank you for reading this far
Ps : I tried to do my best considering my english might be not perfect and if any unseen errors did pass through please forgive me !

Bladou,

Is there any chance your pet isn't getting fully buffed?

I'm positive he's been buffed with everyting : all dps blessings, food, druid, strengh totem. Thats why I'm wondering so much what would cause him to hit so low.

Could you post how hard he is hitting for? The line that shows its crit %, miss %, among the damage?

Yup, here's the line:
Landed Norm Crit Glanc All (miss)
258 180 49 78 35

Average dmg : 263 (max : 831)

Quick question. In the following macro (simplified) what value should i put in for the reset on castsequence?

#show Steady Shot
/castsequence reset=?? Steady Shot, !Auto Shot

I'm using a 2.9 speed bow, so my actually attack speed is 2.10 .. do i put that value in there or do i set it a bit higher to compensate for latency?

Well after a few raids and some testing, its something weird that happened indeed.. The totem wasnt in range for the most part of the fight because of the Bruta hitbox, so simple yet last thing I thought about :!

On the twins fight, the pet doing well over 180k with an enhance sham and shout, obvious to me I was wrong about the totem range from my heal sham back then, thanks for the replies tho !

Hi all. My guild is currently working on T4 content and i'm specced MM. I know BM can do more dps than mm but fun wise i very much prefer mm. I have a few questions though. First one, Am i better off with the sunfury bow or the new crossbow of relentless strikes? Since picking up the crossbow i haven't seen much of an increase in my dps.. although since its been less than a week since it became available on my server i just may not of had much of a chance to see enough data.

Next relates to my personal dps, now inside my guild i'm pretty much always top 5... on encounters like gruuls i'm pretty much always 2nd behind our best rogue (our bm hunter just now started raiding regularly, so i'd assume i'd fall behind him once he starts doing gruuls as well). My dps on average i would say would be anywhere between 850-950... i usually don't get very hunter friendly group compositions, its usually 3 hunters a druid and a lock. Now during our last ssc run i finished 3rd on overall damage and i'm not so much concerned with my in raid damage as thats fine compared to the rest of my guild but i'm just wondering if with my gear level i should be doing more. Here is a link to my armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

unfortantly we're more of a casual guild and don't always keep the best track of our wws logs so i dont have the most up to date stuff but here's a few things.

Here's a link to a wws of gruuls done on april 14(this would be before i upgraded my pants and to the crossbow): Soladel - WWS

And here's one done from a lurker kill, again a few weeks ago so before the upgrades: Soladel - WWS

Basically just wondering should i keep using crossbow of relentless strikes or go back to my sunfury bow, and second is my dps good and if its not or if theres things you can see that i should improve upon i'd appreciate any help i can get.

Oh and sorry as a final last question i'm close to another 100 badges, going off my armory should i go with the chestpiece or is losing the 5% extra damage to multi shot worth going for the gloves (i'd go for the ring, but untill i get something else with hit on it thats not an option unfortantly.)

Thanks again for any help/advice.

I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed any difference in how the 1:1 and 3:2 Macro are working since the patch. I have noticed in our WWS logs that my dps has dropped with the same gear and macros as before the patch.

Before patch, I would see a 34% Steady/32% Auto outcome when I use the 1:1 Macro and a 35% Steady/27% Auto when I used the 3:2 Macro. (Sunfury with 2.02 attack speed w/o buffs/procs)

I gave it a week for mods and WWS to be updated to get accurate info from the new combat log, and this last week in SSC, Mag/Gruul and a Kara badge run, I was getting 37% Auto/25% Steady using the 1:1 macro. Same gear, same weapon, same arrows, same macro.

I have looked on the WoW forums for any Macro changes and have found nothing. Does anyone know anything else I can check or tweak to see what's wrong (if it's not WWS still not up to sync with the new combat logging)?

Thanks,
Tokawulf on Eldre'Thalas

Jenkins: Given that you're wearing two peices of pvp gear, those numbers for your personal dps are quite good, especialy as MM. I wouldnt change a thing unless at some point your guild moves more into hardcore raiding and then you might have to spec BM to pull the max dps out of our class. Also, if you can convince one of the other active raiding hunters in your guild to try out survival, the buff to AP would bennifit you greatly.

If you want strictly 1:1, do it manually or use a /castsequence.
/cast/cast macro's produce varied results at the best of times.

Check your presence on WWS reports too. Since the combat log changes the values recorded are sometimes inaccurate.

I've been using this macro:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill command
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

And I've found that using it, the autoshot function won't turn off, even if I press the autoattack button to turn it off. Has anyone else heard of this/knows how to fix it? It's quite annoying.

Hi : )

me and my guild doing atm BT and have MH on farm atm .

I read some things about haste effect and makeing your rotation be faster. so you can shoot 1:1.

I am useing the badges Xbow atm and have 2 haste crafted items from BT trash drops.

by your opinion Should I drop those items for 'better' ones stats wise or stay with them as they makeing my shoot rotation faster ?

how much effective the haste become to me with this gear dps wise ?

please answer only if you know for sure ..

p.s Should I use haste potions / drums if I cant keep the 1:1 rotation very well ?

Here is a Link to my Armory
The World of Warcraft Armory

also if u can give tips by lookiing at my gear for upgrade or somth that will be very nice

thanks in advance.

Greetings All,

My guild has just started in BT/MH (3/9, 4/5) and I am finding myself in the position of having to replace my T5 set with upgrades. I have been using Cheeky's spreadsheet for some time now to evaluate and help make decisions when gemming, enchanting, selecting similar gear, etc. However, I am finding that if I replace any T5 set piece with T6 gear, my DPS still takes a significant drop when I lose that T5 4piece set bonus, according to the spreadsheet's calculations.

While I realize other things need to be taken into account, I can't help but notice just what a significant loss in DPS is shown through the calculations.

So, my questions are... Am I misunderstanding what the spreadsheet is showing me?
Do I just take the loss of the set bonus and just focus on raw stats and upgrades, or is it truly as nice as the data is showing it to be?
At what point do I just take the upgrades and lose the T5 set bonus?

My armory, in case it's requested: Malta
I won't make excuses/explanations for the gemming at this point unless it's asked for.

I mean, you're losing 5% crit on what should be ~50% of your damage when you break the set bonus. It's not difficult to see, even without the specific math, why you can't make up for the loss of that crit with a marginal stat increase from picking up one or two pieces of T6. I'm not sure at what point it'd be worth breaking the set bonus, but it'd be more than 1 piece T6.

Also, you're fairly over the hit cap. Replace two of your hit/agi gems with agi gems. I won't tell anyone about the crit gems.

That's pretty much what I figured. Thank you though for helping me to remember to trust my instincts. I am under the impression that it's not worth replacing the T5 pieces until the T6 gear makes up for the DPS difference in raw stats (or until I hit that T6 4piece bonus).

*Laughs*

Thankfully I already have the agility gems made in preparation for fixing some stats, just need to log on to do it. I make no excuses for the crit gems. Chalk it up to a moment of severe stupidity over "Crap! I need 3x blue, red, yellow!"

Here's part of last night's SSC run. I'd appreciate any insights or critique on improving my dps.

Ok, so I finally broke down last night and picked up the badge xbow and had a so-so raiding night with it.

I started off the night with a shot speed of 2.0 and tried the 3:2 Manito macro on Rage. I ran about 400 DPS less then previous 3:2 vashj bow weeks (mind you I forgot to change to Hyjal ammo until about 1/2 way through the fight - ya, im cheap on easy trash - and was lacking a druid which I had weeks previous). The rotation didn't feel bad but the numbers were low so I thought I would move on and try 1:1.

I bumped myself up to ~60 haste (bracers + 1ring - now at 1.97) and tried 1:1 with similar results as weeks previous 3:2 vashj bow for the rest of the night.

Now, I enjoy hand weaving my shots and know that it yields the best DPS but also know that raid awareness is more important at times and rather then run into a Doomfire watching quartz, I want to figure out how to best macro a 1:1 rotation.

I tried the old /castsequence 1:1 which seemed to be working fine but I know the magic macro will also make 1:1 during hasted states lessening the lag factor hurting my DPS. So I tried /castsequence during non-hasted states and /cast/cast during hasted states and it was ok. Most of the time the transition between macros was seamless but sometimes it would hang.

I guess my question is .. when heavy raid awareness is required and you run a 1:1 macro(s), do you just stick to the old /castsequence? Do you mix the old /castsequence and the new /cast/cast?

Use multi shot and arcane shot more. Include Kill Command in your macro. (doesn't appear as though you're using it at all) If your pet is capable of learning bite, train it. Consult the spreadsheet to see if a 3:2 macro would provide more DPS with your gear than a 1:1 priority. It does not appear as though you're using BW as much as you could (3 in an 8 min Hydross kill). Get rid of the AP gems and the 18 stam gem, you only need 2 blue gems for your meta. Try to replace the Violet Eye ring, you only need 127 hit rating to be capped as a Draenei. ([Angelista's Revenge] is an excellent choice for 60 badges)

Thanks Sarutobi. I haven't been using KC for since it started borking and locking up autoshot and pet feeding. It used to be in my macro, but I deleted that line. I know there's a 2 part macro that supposedly helps with this, but I've also heard that it doesn't help and haven't had time to try it myself. Any ideas?

I have 59 badges and have been eying that ring for some time, I'll be sure to pick it up.

I'm currently using the /cast auto; /cast steady for my macro. Isn't this the macro that usually does a 3:2 ratio?

I'll look at the gems too, thanks for the advice.

Sorry for being a jackass, but you should be able to easily answer your own question. You're saying the spreadsheet predicts breaking a very good set bonus to gain a few stat points is not worth it. Given that common sense agrees with this judgment, there's no obvious reason to post on a forum asking "Am I misunderstanding something?" No, you aren't.

At what point do you take the upgrades and lose the set bonus? At whatever point the spreadsheet tells you it's no longer a dps loss to do so.

Another dumb question but I really could use some help on this one.. I'm almost fully geared with kara / few other items and in 10 mans with my guild my DPS is still barely 600, I'm a BM hunter and I use the autoshot steadyshot killcommand macro..

Any tips would really be appreciated, I want to improve badly.