@Teldra:

Since latency was the only variable I could think of between us, I tried using a 3:2 on a different connection (exact same Interface/WTF folders, of course); Perfect 3:2, due to only about 100ms lag. So am I completely screwed out of 3:2 on my normal connection because of the lag?

Thank you Elitisjerks....u have changed the way i played wow....

My main is a resto shammy well geared for our progress, (10 men content), our progress is slow and fun, we r a casual guild so no high content expectations.

I started to enjoy my hunter again after reading EJ, need some advice, please.

I am and will be MM since i play for fun and this specc is to me the most appealing.
The World of Warcraft Armory

1) wot macro should i use? (they seem to change so often i can keep trak of them), curently i do mostly manual labour and use 1:1 BM macro for grinding

2) wot wepon speed would be optimal for MM specc?

3)should i take in considration Iaoth at my specc?

4)curently have a WS as a pet, would other pet be better?

5)go all out on stacking AP gems and enchants or mix it with agi.


I read about 60% of all posts on hunter and 90% on resto shammy, part of the answers i have but lots have changed recently and pure MM answeres are rare to find.

Thank you in advance for your time, and u have realy made me in to a better player since i started reading this forum

May want to try the MM thread.

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t19497-m...raft_strategy/

K, trying to work on my dps and get a valid understanding of what im doing. Our guild just started using WWS and I am trying to figure out exactly what to think with it. Im also curious if I should just be maxing out my gem slots with agi? Like the pants I have, should I have gone with all agi? Or more how I did do it?
Ive played a long time, have felt confident in my dps for the most part, but I dont see the dps/numbers that a lot of people are talking about. I just want to know, based on the WWS and gear, should I be doing more?

WWS: Wow Web Stats

Armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

I currently have Drake fang equiped instead of the bloodlust brooch as I was lvling xbow right before I logged off. Thats the only change in gear.

It looks like you're almost at a solid 3:2 ratio, which is good. Not really sure what your overall uptime or pet uptime was. You probably could have squeezed another BW and drums into the fight, but other than that it's hard to tell from wws

Edit: Looks like you and the pet both had good uptime. So...couldn't really tell you. You might switch to a ravager or wind serpent, but I don't think that will necessarily generate the dps boost I think you're looking for.

Quick question, how does everyone use their drums without interrupting their shot rotations, or is that no possible?

My guild is beginning T5 in earnest (no SSC/TK attempts until later this week, but 3/6 ZA kills). I have past experience with all of T5 from my previous life as a warrior, so I am working hard to optimize my contributions this time around as the guild's SV hunter.

I am currently using the established 1:1 shot rotation macro, manually weaving arcane and multi following the appropriate steadies to produce a 1:1.5. I have < 100 ms latency and typically come very close to the optimal rotation percentages doing this, barring movement or other complications. My pet is a windserpent; both our shaman are resto, so there is no conflict with stormstrike. I am one of our top 3 highest performing dps (> 1100 dps, generally), and receive fairly good group support. In the 25-man environment, I will typically have Leader of the Pack, FI, and GOAT (from a resto shaman). We are light on paladins at the moment and I can only count on one blessing. I choose Kings for the substantial EW impact. The resto shaman is intelligent about his use of heroism, but I do not typically have a drummer in group at this time. I can and do haste potion when repeated use of fel mana is not necessary.

Gearwise, I am aware that my first trinket is dismal. It will be replaced with an [Hourglass of the Unraveller] or a [Tsunami Talisman] or something as soon as the loot tables are kind to me. I am a few badges away from the [Crossbow of Relentless Strikes]. Finally, as soon as the second one drops for me, I'll be switching to 2x [Breeching Comet] (for the dual mana oil and overall better stats) and retiring that spear forever.

My questions regard haste and its effects on rotations. When I rapid fire or haste pot, I drop all the way down to a 1:1 rotation. Via readiness, I will generally get 3-4 of these per fight on bosses. I am less certain how to approach the math for less extreme haste and the 3:2 rotation. The changes in mechanics that made it possible occurred while I was away from game and between characters and I probably still do not fully understand how it is being implemented from a timing perspective. In particular:

1. Should I be looking at 3:2 during heroism, outside of rapid fire? Our shaman players are on limited time compared to me, and so it has not been practical for me to drag them off to Dr. Boom and answer the question the real way. Currently, I drop multi-shot for 1:1.3 during heroism, but I question if that's ideal.
2. Assuming the badge crossbow, where is the breakpoint on haste rating to make the base rotation drop to 3:2? I know these numbers are well-established for BM, but I've seen a couple different answers for SV, many of which also involve iAotH in their builds. I don't need to be told whether (no haste + 1:1.5) or (haste + 3:2) is the better dps yield based on available gear options -- that much I can figure out on my own -- but I do not feel confident in my understanding of the 3:2 breakpoints to know where it would be.

Well, looks like it. Sorry guy. You might try manually weaving your shots with Quartz, or trying some differnt macro setups. I know I went from 240 to 110 by following these steps listed here.

yeah those numbers arent impressive, with your gear u shouldnt have any trouble doing 1500 on first 3 bosses of MH even without a single group buff(kazrogal will require a shadow priest and JoW), im not so good at reading wws reports, but during a 5 min fight like anetheron u should do 2 rapid fire instead of just 1, and 3 TBW instead of just 2, use your brooch TBW and rapid fire at the same time(atleast the first time since rapid fire got 1 min longer cooldown) and your max crits are barely 2k, are your warlocks keeping CoR on boss and druids keeping faerie fire up at all times? and most important are 5x sunder armor on boss at all times?


use the 3:2 macro, you got a really good weapon speed for it
/cast !Auto shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exist] Kill command
/cast Steady shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
/cast [target=pettarget, exist] KIll command

also your guild arent using a retri paladin(or atleast not this raid) they also add like 100-150 dps or so for u so get one, your dps will get alot higher

wws from our 2nd rage kill Zimmeyeah - WWS this is before the badge vendor opened so i still used wolfslayer and i still got way higher numbers then u

also u did 81 steady shots and 46 auto shots, i take it that thats some serius clipping with your macro(i was using 1:1 there and after going to the 3:2 ive had a really big dps upgrade)

also u just had 23% crit there which is way lower then you should have so i guess u were a little unlucky

So I have two options, to use Bristleblitz Striker which would put me at a ranged speed of 2.1 or to use the Crossbow of Relentless Strikes for a ranged speed of 1.97. My latency is usually around 100ms and I have been using the 3:2 macro. Which yields higher dps? I have also seen many top dps bm hunters at only 2.17 ranged speed using 3.0 ranged weapons. Why are these 2.17 weapon speed hunters' dps so high? Shouldn't your ranged speed be 2.1 or below it?

Hello. First time poster, been reading for awhile. I'm currently in a guild farming Kael/Vashj, that's 3/5 MH and 3/9 BT. Here is my armory: The World of Warcraft Armory
[I know the shard is terrible, I just can't get anything else to drop.]

Unfortunately, I don't have any recent WWS reports to post.

Oftentimes, I can get really ahead on the meters. I guess when I joined my current guild, I was a little overgeared compared to most of the members. However, there are times when I feel like I should/could be doing a lot more as far as dps goes. I use a 1:1 rotation and a macro I got from this thread a few dozen pages back. Though, I find myself throwing an arcane shot or multi in, out of old habit (is anyone else a little disappointed that the key to doing the best DPS is by spamming steady over and over again?!). I also often forget to either.. Turn on AotH. Or, if I have that on and get low on mana, forget to turn on AotV until I'm already really low on mana.

I've worked on fixing this, and will continue to do so.

About my gear/gems. I recently went from stacking AP gems to stacking agi. The 2 blue gems and 2 yellow gems you'll see there are to keep my meta active. I'm about 12 points over the hit cap.

My pet is a ravager, highest bite and gore ranks.

What am I looking for?
1. Gear suggestions. Upgrades, gems, enchants, whatever.
2. General DPS tidbits from what I've listed here. I'll try to get someone doing the WWS reports again.

I'd really like to use Cheeky's Spreadsheet, but I'm really stupid when it comes to numbers and crunch. I can research, like coming to these forums, but when it comes to trying to use a program other than WoW, the internet, or an MP3 player, I may as well be a chimpanzee. (when I try to open microsoft word, it tries to install the program, but I don't now nor did I ever know where the disk is...)

I guess I'm a words guy and not a numbers guy, haha. Anyway, enough about my computer illiteracy, and onto the hunter help!

@Nakaya_kilrogg:

The easiest upgrade to solve your hit rating overcap situation is probably to replace [Ring of Deceitful Intent] with [Angelista's Revenge]. That will put you 5 hit rating below cap, which you may either ignore, cover with food, or correct with regemming, at your option. It should also be a nontrivial dps increase.

Thanks for the other suggestions, as for this, man I'd love to. Many BM trips, no hourglass. Leo won't drop the TT. Zul'jin is very stingy. Before that, I was using the trinket from Al'ar and figured at least the AP proc would be better for 1:1.

Can anyone post a good 3:2 macro? I have about 100-200 MS, if that most nights.

I may trade in the last AP gem on my shoulders for a +hit/+agi gem, and then get an Angelista's Revenge, once I get a few more badges coming in.

Thanks for the suggestions so far!

I'm also considering taking the Don Alejandro's Money Belt (leather) from Anth in MH, as it seems far superior to the belt I have, and the next upgrade seems to be a bit far away on the Reliquary of Souls. Any other hunters doing this?

There are several versions of the 3:2 macro but at the core of each are the following 2 lines:

/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot

If you're like me and don't remember to set your pet to stay at the kalecgos platform or something so it despawns from distance, just mount up at the lip of the pit before jumping down (you can mount on the edge, but not inside the room), and jump down mounted. Pet will come back when you dismount as usual, saves some dismiss + feeding time as well as a bit of running time.

Agreed, however don't get rid of it entirely. It is a most awesome no-brain solo trinket if you haven't any other no-brain trinket for the second slot. I use it for grinding and questing. The usual downtime between fights leads to a most impressive uptime during combat. But naturally never use it for raiding.

I'd love to get rid of it, however I'm at a loss for trinkets until something I can use actually drops for me.

It really is a terrible solo trinket. Half of the itemization is of no use to you unless you melee... which, if you do, well, you're Huntering wrong

Here are some better soloing/grinding trinkets that are guaranteed (requiring farming or quests, but not random drops):

[Skyguard Silver Cross] (useful for Vashj elemental duty, too!)

[Power Infused Mushroom] (quest reward)

[Mark of Conquest] (so-so)

The key to good soloing trinkets are either regeneration of mana or health or permanent procs. Random procs are less useful since killing a mob in one less hit usually doesn't make a huge difference.

Hi.

First post, bear with me ...

The tanks in my guild has started to yell at our hunters cause our pets sometimes hits from in-front on bosses like RoS and Illidari Council. This causes parries and parries causes tank deaths.

Is this true, does pet hits that are parried cause the boss to counterattack the tank? Because if it is, it feels stupid to have your pet attacking on certain fights where the tank needs to move a lot and the pet can't sit in one position behind the boss.

I used to use the Silver Cross and found it to be less useful for the simple reason that it spends most of it's proc in transition. I barely use it anymore.

I use the Hourglass if I feel the mana is not a problem, and the Mark of Conquest if I need the manaregen.

The Shard however procs quite fast on hits leading it to be up for a more substantial time than it's usual uptime would otherwise indicate. Sure the Expertise is wasted, but I'm willing to take the 60% uptime during solo I get from it over the Silver Cross (yes I know that it doesn't have a 60% uptime but in solo most of it's cooldown is spent on transition anyway). And because it lasts for a nice amount of time it is not really wasted on multimob killing.

Just because part of it is wasted doesn't rule it out as an awesome trinket for solo, it is after all a superior itemlevel so the loss compared to other trinkets is not felt as heavily.

Unfortunately anything that is parried can cause the faster attacks from the mob/boss, including our pets.
If they are so furious over that, then I guess it is up to you to figure out if the risk of losing the tank to counterattacks overcomes the 30% DPS the pet does. If you are struggling to do handle the fight in time, keep the pet in, if you are generally walking all over them, keep the pet back.

I don't know if pets actually cause a lot of parries on mobile fights, or if perhaps the melee DPS might also contribute to that in more significant numbers than plain stationary fights. But the fact is you don't want to anger the other raiders by being too stubborn.