Yes, your goal is to put as many shots down range as possible while you have the 10% damage bonus from The Beast Within. I would also throw in any AP trinket you might have such as the [Bloodlust Brooch] or [Berserker's Call]

#showtooltip
/cast Bestial Wrath
/cast Rapid Fire
/use Berserker's Call
/use Bloodlust Brooch

Putting both trinkets in the macro will not allow them to fire at the same time but you can press the macro again to fire the Bloodlust Brooch once it is available.

Beastial wrath and rapid fire are great together, and throw in any "use" trinket that increases AP as well.
You mentioned also popping a haste pot right then too, and that would effectively go to waste when coupled with rapid fire.

Shot Rotation

Ive been haggling over my shot rotation for months. My speed rating is 2.52, I use a modified 1.1.x rotation such as this:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castsequence reset=2.52 !auto shot,steady shot,
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] kill command
/castrandom multi-shot,arcane shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()

Here is a link to my armory:The World of Warcraft Armory

I am currently survival specced, I want to be able to squeeze every available dps I can out of my spec. I know my current rotation is a huge manawhore, but I can usually conteract it with pots and with the raid setup I am in. My main question, is this the right rotation for me? When my quickshots and DST proc I am down to a 1.9 speed, should I be switching to a true 1:1 during these proc times and during rapid fire? Or is my macro auto-adjusting for any haste buffs? Oh, and my current lag is between 50-150ms.

Thanks for any feedback or insight you guys can provide.

anyone?

Ok, I have been going over these forums for a little while today, trying to discern my answer without posting.
I found some likely answers but they were severely outdated.

My Character is: Machinesgood Armory

I am trying to discern with the amount of haste gear that I will be running into, in sunwell, how much am I really looking to get? my current attack speed is 1.96 unmodified by buffs and becomes 1.4 with rapid fire, and 1.34 with rapid fire and drums stacked. My latency to the server is about 40ms at any point in time. I use the 3:2 macro, Haste rating is 53 (3.36%)

So my question is, how much haste rating is too much?

Here is a parse from my most optimal raid conditions on brutallus to help:
Brutallus

Well if you are having a string of steadies without auto shots, you may want to look at Manito's two part
setup Manito's Modified 3:2.

Seeing as you had 48% steadies and 30% autos, ie. a 3.2:2 ration, I am guessing this may be an issue. The 2 macro solution exists to address this. At a 1.96 base speed, you should be seeing less than a 3:2 using /cast /cast.

I have a quick question on boot enchants.

I'm butting heads with my guild leader on the fact that he wants me to put Cats Swiftness whilst I want Dexterity.

His reasoning for Cats is:

"Let D be your dps without a boot enchant. For the run speed to provide more benefit, we need:
(D+12A)(T-t) < (D+6A)(T-t/1.08)
which simplifies to
T < [(1-k)D + (2-k)6A]t/(6A)
where k = 1/1.08. For example, gives A = .16286, and so we have
T < (.07581D + 1.074) t
Using some actual data, a class that does betwen 900 and 1000 dps will have T < 76.88t
For 5 minutes, we would need t > 3.90 seconds and for 6 minutes we would need t > 4.68 seconds.

Basically if you spend 4 seconds during a 5 minute fight moving to a spot instead of dpsing, run speed is superior dps. This is ignoring the side benefit of being less likely to die to ground herpes (Death and Decay, Flame Patches, Consecrate, Fire Nova Totems, Wrath, Void Spheres, Gaze, Storm, etc., I could go on like this.) Not to mention kiting.

There is a very good reason run speed is a required enchant in this guild."

I have no idea where he got this formula and I have never seen it before nor has any searching dredged it up for me.

I also agree with him about avoiding the ground effects, but isn't it like a ~5% speed increase at the most?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cat's Swiftness is an 8% run buff.

For me the spread sheet dps for hunter only breaks down as follows with the various enchants.

None: 908.10
CS: 910.85
Dex: 913.61

You are looking at an increase of 2.76 DPS boost from Dexterity vs. Cat's Swiftness. I would not think it worth a fight with your guild leader for a 3/10 of a percent DPS change. I would just go with his recommendation in this case to keep him happy.

If you do want to fight it out with him then he needs to consider the number of stand and shoot fights vs moving fights where your DPS will be higher with dexterity period. Also, perhaps for classes that don't have a run buff that works anywhere available the boot enchant makes sense but with aspect of the cheetah we can easily kite and move into DPS position quickly.

Thanks for the info Praxx.

I'm hesitant to take even the slightest loss in dps, especially since I'm not retarded and know when to switch aspects for occasions and since that +8% doesn't stack with the aspect. Being relatively new to the guild makes me not want to pick a fight with the guild leader but also maintaining the best dps I can currently is warring with me.

Did some quick math with my own setup:

1070.69 (Dexterity)
1067.84 (Cat's Swiftness)
_______
2.85

That's what I lose, so roughly 3 dps and for example a 10 minute fight that's 180 damage per minute so a grand total of 1800 damage. So no much unless I really wanted to fight over 1800 damage.

Hello Elitist Hunters!

Long time reader first time poster here so please bear with me for the time being. I've been reading this thread for a while now and I found answers to most of my questions, allthough some I have still.

Links:
Armory profile
WWS of our last Najentus kill

Now my questions:
1. I am at 130 haste now, 1.88 paper doll attack speed with Xbow of Relentless Strikes, but I am getting the feeling that many of my haste buffs are going to waste now. From what i gathered here Heroism affects the GCD aswell, but QS, RF, Drums etc do not? My latency is usually around 150ms but due to my old box fps will drop as low as 15 in gfxheavy fights.

2. Trinkets, I am using Darkmoon Card: Wrath and Bloodlust Brooch (I have had a streak of bad luck with trinket drops ever since TBC). But what confuses me is that while I was using Wrath with kara level gear Cheekys spreadsheet told me trinkets like the hourglass would be an upgrade. What I also thought is that Wrath gets worse and worse as base crit rating goes up. I am now at 25% base crit and the newest Spreadsheet put wrath above trinkets like Madness of the Betrayer and Tsunami Talisman. I'm really confused as to the why of that. Cheekys Spreadsheet says I have 1178 dps unbuffed with Darkmoon Card: Wrath and 1174,46 with Madness of the Betrayer or 1174,94 with Tsunami Talisman. Also, I always considered the Hourglass to be a great trinket but now supposedly it would reduce my dps by 10 to 1169,78 I'm confused and not sure what I am missing here.

Those are my 2 major questions, if any of the regular theorycrafters here would be so kind as to have a look at my gear/talents/logs and make suggestions for improvements or point out any blatant mistakes they find I would really appreciate that also.

@ Kargos:
The formula mentioned by your guild-leader seems to be the one from the shaman enhancer-thread in this forums.
There was posted a formula like this to prove that for enhancer-shamans the faster running-speed will result in a dps-increase.

I don't know how much such a thing affects us, since we are able to shot from range and therefore can stay and shoot, even if the boss is moving.
Nevertheless, the argument about getting faster out of death and decay (or similar effects) cant be counterd.

As a guild officer and hunter CL, I find it encouraging when I'm challenged on my opinions.

I would take these stats to your GM and, ever so kindly, point out that you're not a Shaman.

I push my hunters hard, very hard and I would never ask them to sacrifice one ounce of DPS unless absolutely warranted or somehow would ensure their survival beyond reasonable doubt.

Look, in my blunt opinion - if your GM is forcing ranged classes to enchant run speed to their boots to avoid D&D or RoF - surely this is indicative of larger issues with raid awareness...

guys i need some other hunters thoughts on a few things here. I have just started running some 25 man content and my gears not bad. I use Mantios 3.2 macro...and right now I have a Ravenger pet. there have been other hunters in my raids that I know I outgear...but seem to get out DPS'ed more then I should. Iwant to post a few WWS stats , If anyone can just take a look and maybe see something that I am missing.

Wow Web Stats

Wow Web Stats

Im just looking for something that I am missing, I shouldnt be below these other hunters.

The thing that springs out the most is how few steady shots you make. You seem to do a very strange 1:2 rotation (steady:auto) on all of the bosses. You might want to go to the blasted lands and use the servant (and recount or some such) to see exactly what is happening. Shoot for exactly 1 minute and count your autos and steadies. Don't use any variable haste effects. You should be somewhere between 1:1 and 3:2 with your default haste.

Al'ar's not a very BM-friendly boss anyway. Got a Zul'Aman WWS?

The last ZA attemp I have in WWS was may-30
Wow Web Stats

I apologize if this has been covered anywhere else, but i couldnt find anything on it so here goes.

I have been assured by several other hunters as of late, that using Adamantite Weight Stones adds the +12 dmg and +14 crit rating to your ranged attacks. I am rather skeptical of this so i would like confirmation as to the validity of this claim.

If this claim is true, then is this a bug that is mostly likely going to be fixed?

The reason that i ask is that without the weight stones, I plan to spend my 150 badges on the Blade of the Harbingers, however, if the use of the weightstones is valid, then according to cheeky's spreadsheet dual wielding Vanir's Right and Left Fist of Brutality becomes a higher dps option. Any input would be most appreciated.

ok on the elixirs I would use a major mageblood instead of the wisdom.
your parse looks fine, as far as shot rotations go.

I would look at perhaps getting the Choker of Vile Intent from the badge vendor, to get your hit up, and then perhaps re-geming some of your gear, a tad bit to get more damage there. try to keep your hit cap if you can, and perhaps a little more agi, or ap.. you could also perhaps buy some of the epic gems to put in your gear and replace the rares. But if you guys are raiding Hyjal, and there are upgrades for you in there, then hold off on the stuff you are up to replacing in the near future. You should be getting more shots off on some of those fights than what I am seeing though. Are they putting you in a group that helps your synergy? I know a lot of guilds dis hunters on that, but perhaps someone else that has drums of battle that you can get with?

The fights in your parse though are kinda hard to go off of, I don't see you on the lurker fight at all.
The Leo fight, you have to stop DPS on him when he whirlwinds, and Vash you spend more time on the adds than the boss, so not a lot of focus DPS to see what you can do. So that's all I can suggest for now.

Ok, so I chug Fel Mana pots like they are going out of style. I use mageblood and mana oils.

I read that at least one hunter in a run, should have imp mark. Now, I see the advantage to the melee and hell, even my own DPS. However, is it worth the loss of mana savings? S-Priests in my group is a rare thing, and a Ret Pally in the raid is even harder to come by.

OK, I compared yours against my ZA Nalorakk Thursday. You've got more haste than I do, you got Bloodlust, I got Heroism.

You took 123 auto and 94 steadies for an average of .85 shots/second.

I took 88 autos and 89 steadies for an average of .98 shots/second.

There's something wrong with your shot rotation. Are you moving around and interrupting your steadies? Do you have high latency? Are you hitting your shot macro once every 2 seconds?

Here's a clip from your combat log

What were you doing for 6 seconds that you got no steady shots off? Simplest answer is, you weren't pressing your shot macro at all during that time.

Actually, no stomping should be expected. My kid plays a survival hunter; her dps is nominally 250 less than mine, but that's assuming equal group buffs. She gets to be in the melee group so gets +5% crit as well as Grace of Air and Battle Shout. So on Shade of Akama, she hit 2K dps, just slightly ahead of me. A well played survival hunter in a good group will pump out very high dps!

hmmm I try to mash the macro key as fast as i can. I also have it set to my mouse wheel so that I just scroll it. My latency is anywhere from 70 to 160

As far as Lurker goes, I wasn't actually invited to the raid until afterwards. As far as gems go, would it be better to get the epic hit gems, or save up badges for the axe? I've been using the drums of battle when popping bestial wrath, unless I have rapid fire up. If that's the case, I wait for the Rapid Fire to expire before popping them. As far as synergy goes, there's none. I have nothing buffing my dps. Unfortunately, neither did the survival hunter. Thanks for your help!