First of all hey everyone, as a long time reader this is my frst post here and i hope i picked the right thread for this.

I've been playing with Cheeky's spreadsheet for a while to see wich trinket upgrade would be worth going for most. Basically i tried any combos including the following:
[Dragonspine Trophy]
[Ashtongue Talisman of Swiftness]
[Berserker's Call]
[Blackened Naaru Sliver]
[Madness of the Betrayer]

Currently i'm using the Berserkers+Ashtongue, and replacing either of them with a DST seems to be the biggest upgrade with ~4.5dps tops.
Basically i'm having a hard time believing that both the Naaru sliver and the Madness can be such massive downgrades (- 20-15dps) as Cheeky's spreadsheet says. As when i look at other top hunters they mostly use some combination of madness/dst/sliver, am i overseeing some major point here?

1. they need the +20 hit from madness to reach the cap?
2. they need sliver's haste bonus to hit their speed "sweet spot" for their rotation

K.

On the subject of trinkets: In real world Brut attempts I've found I consistently do more damage using [Bloodlust Brooch] than I do with [Ashtongue Talisman of Swiftness], but the spreadsheet indicates the opposite. (my other trinket is [Berserker's Call]).

The only thing I can think, is that the sheet doesn't take into account stacking buffs, right, so perhaps that explains the difference? I generally stack the Brooch with a Haste Potion or Rapid Fire. Just curious if other people's experience is similar, and if that explanation makes sense?

What do you stack berserker's call with, if you're using Rapid Fire on the inferior Bloodlust Brooch?

For some unkown reason, my dps was way below what it used to be yesterday.


I'm pretty sure that the kalecqos meters are off, since there's no way I did 900 dps...
I've recently acquired some new items, but they should be an upgrade (t6 shoulders instead of shoulders of the hidden predator and t6 chest instead of badges chest).
Was it because my group setup got completely fucked (no drums next to mine, no bloodlust) and the fact that I was out of mana at about 20% (I was chain fel-mana'ing btw).


I'd also like to add that i'm using manito's modified shotmacro, since it should be optimal for my current speed (being 2.03)

Any suggestions?

This is a link to my WWS-report of that day: Wow Web Stats

Thanks for reading

Kalecgos metrics are always terribly off unless you've got a large portion of the raid contributing logs to the report, since demon/dragon realms seem to be separate. If you're hitting nearly 2000 dps on brutallus, 900 seems terribly low even if you're not getting a lust.

Hello there!
As far as i understand this thread is for questions and for those who are in need of some advise,so I've decided to give it a try.
As of late,i have started to wonder about two possible Macros in my hands.I'de like someone who is familiar and know his/her way with Macros to try and tell me the difference between these two and perhaps even spot the "better" one, assuming they are not the same...(my own logic said they are the same but i realy want to be sure for various reasons).

Macro one:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/castsequence reset=3/target !Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/castrandom [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Lightning Breath
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();

This is the Macro i've allways used and it proved to be very effective,at least from my own experience.

Macro two (the one i tried "upgrading"):

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/castsequence reset=3/target !Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Lightning Breath
/click [target=pettarget,exists] MultiBarBottomLeftButton7
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();

Now, as you can see,the line for the Kill Command is eliminated and replaced with a line ordering the Macro to "click" a certain button.At that button location there is an additional "mini" Macro :

/castsequence reset=4 Kill Command, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot

So basically,it removes the possibility the Kill Command clips shots at times while spamming the old Macro.
Other than that the two are identical.
Is there a practical difference between these two ways?
Can/Should one macro be better than the other?

Please,any comment or help is most appriciated.
Thanks in advance!

There's likely no major difference between the two, save that *supposedly* the second one with the seperate KC button should allow you to do things like feed your pet even if KC bugs.

Of course, both macros are wrong because you use cast sequence instead of /cast ! /cast.

Hehe,well as I said,I am not too familiar with such things,if you could enlighten me regarding the sequence removal,it'd be ace.
Thank you for spotting the 'difference',though.

Replace that /castsequence line with the following two lines:
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot

For more information search "Manito's macro", there should be a plethora of posts regarding the macro, often referred to as "3:2 macro" or some other variation.

Hi

How would you build up the standard /cast macro? I'm considering two versions:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Lightning Breath
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

or

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Lightning Breath
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()



As you see, the only thing that changes is the /cast KC line, do you think there would be a difference in clipping autoshots?

Hi guys another long (ish) time reader and first time poster seeking help!

I originally can here to ask about the [Crossbow of Relentless Strikes] for use as a Survival hunter. I have previously been using [Legionkiller] and a 0/24/37 spec with a sort of 1.1.5 rotation (spam macro with manually weaved in arcane and multi when off cd).

Last night I got my T6 4piece (and new boots) and have dragged out my DST, respecced to 5/20/36, found a /cast /cast macro and was thinking about getting the lower speed xbow to tighten the rotation a bit. However a bit of searching I found and read Whitefyst's posts (http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t12346-h...98/#post815398 and http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t12346-h...95/#post808100) in the SURVIVAL Raiding in 2.1 thread and now I'm rather confused. Is the xbow any good to me? Is my new spec the completely wrong one? Help!

P.S. HR of 0, and I have no haste kit currently. Any recommedations here also? (BT 8/9)

Edit: I forgot to say part of my confusion is due to the 1.1.4 rotation he is talking about. I never heard of this before!

To answer your easy question, the 1.4:1 rotation is a 1.5:1 but with an extra Auto-Steady inserted because Multi isn't off cooldown fast enough (thus, you switch to 1.4:1 when your attack speed is faster).

To answer the hard question - the result of Whytefists research was that, if you live in a perfect world and are the best hand weaver ever, you should never use a 3:2 as a survival hunter, and should instead use 1.5:1 and 1.4:1 until you reach 1:1 speeds.

It's my opinion, though, that this really never happens, and you are better off with the spec you've chosen and just spamming the /cast /cast macro for a 2:1/3:2/1:1 rotation, so you're on the right track.

As for getting there - you do in fact *need* some passive haste, or you will chain steady shots. Easy options are the [Cloak of Fiends] and the badge fists. The best option is probably the [Shivering Felspine] if you can get into a SWP farming group.

Whether to switch to the xbow or not is just a question of plugging it into the spreadsheet or testing it and seeing if it gives you better raid dps.

Well, I'm about to hit 70 and are trying to gear-up enough to get into Black Temple as quick as I can (trying not to miss much before the xpack). Right now, I stand with Leatherworking and Engineering maxed out, and have access to both sufficient hearts of darkness and sunmotes.

70 Orc Hunter

That's my current "ideal" pre-raiding set. I was trying to stay away from things that required badges, other than the cross-bow.

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions? I realize I have a lot of haste, but I can't seem to find any good alternatives. Thanks!

T4 has no place in BT, even pvp gear is far superior at this point.

Couple things you should change.

Rings: Are you really expecting to be carried through ZA for a primal wrath? Badges ring is slightly better and relatively cheap to acquire. Best case, use primal wrath and angelista's. Don't waste funmotes on that garbage haste ring, especially when you're oozing haste out of every orifice already.

Gloves: T4 = unacceptable. Badges gloves (either one) are good choices, as would be S4. If you're going to dump a lot of money on motes, get Immortal Dusk leather gloves crafted instead.

Pants: Same deal as gloves. S3/4 or Badges is like night and day compared to that T4 trash.

Boots: Craft the bop ones from SSC/TK since you're a leatherworker.

Chest: Heroic MGT chest is better. Should be just as easy to acquire as the regular one. Alternatively, picking up one of the sunwell patterns (leather or mail) would be far and away the better choice. I imagine if you can get surestrike 3.0 you have a chance at the chests as well.

Also, Hourglass is terrible and you'd be better off grinding badges for bloodlust brooch.

I'm not sure on others' experiences with this, but I've found, in practice, that I have fewer occurances of steady chaining with the KC line above Steady Shot in the macro.

Try to stack the 1st and 3rd BW with Rapid Fire. It provides more haste than either of the other 2 haste buffs and has the same duration as BW (others are 10 seconds)


~30 seconds - BW + RF
~45 seconds - Haste Potion (If 3rd slash <10 seconds away use Berserking first, if threat is not an issue consider using haste potions before BW and move them to 10 seconds before each BW in the timeline)
~55 seconds (or whenever the 3rd slash is in the case of Berserking) - Haste/Berserking (whichever you didn't use)

~2:30 - BW with Bloodlust up
~(bloodlust down) - Haste Potion

~Whenever Berserking is off CD and slashes=3 - Berserking

~4:30 - BW+RF
~Haste Potion when off cooldown

Hello, my questions generally revolve around the use of trinkets in combination with various cooldowns after reading Sarutobi's post.

BM Specced troll hunter with a ravager pet, guild is currently in SSC/TK so that limits my gear a bit. My current trinkets are the DST and Bloodlust Brooch, although I'm hoping for a berserker's call or tsunami talisman in the near future.

What I'm curious about is when to tie some of my cooldowns in with drum usage. Currently I am the only drummer in my group, assuming the use of haste potions how would I want to be popping cooldowns with mana/threat not being an issue?

Currently I open with Bestial Wrath, Bloodlust Brooch, and Rapid fire. Upon cooldown of BW and the Brooch I use both bestial wrath, brooch, berserking, and haste potion. I feel as though after this cycle things seem to fall out of place between haste potting and drumming. If I were to continue a set rotation of cooldowns in total involving
-Bestial Wrath
-Bloodlust Brooch
-Rapid Fire
-Berserking
-Drums of Battle
-Haste Potion
what would I want that to look like? While we're also on the subject, will either a DST proc or Quick Shots proc affect my shot rotation while a haste potion/drums/rapid fire are going? My current macro is Manito's 3:2

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
/click [target=pettarget,exists] MultiBarBottomLeftButton12
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

/castsequence reset=4 Kill Command, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot

With a drawspeed of 1.97 like you have, popping beserking and a haste pot at the same time is probably not a good idea. At the least you waste some of that haste and at the worst you can screw up your shot rotation due to clipping. Generally you want to spread haste buffs out, not stack them because there is a limit to how much haste we can benefit from at any given time. (Because steady shot is on the GCD and our GCD is not reduced by haste)

He's stated he is attempting to go straight to T6 level content. Hourglass as a BM hunter is simply not going to cut it, regardless of if he's at 5% crit or 50%. It was a good trinket prior to the excessive instance nerfs and the addition of two additional tiers of badge gear.

Not stacking bloodlust brooch with TBW because of Berserkers Call doesn't devalue the trinket at all. It's still stackable with drums, rapid fire and/or a haste potion (assuming you use a pot or rf with the initial tbw/bc) so it's value over hourglass is significant enough to warrant the upgrade.

I'm not saying it isn't better, just that it is the least important upgrade on the list. You have more or less sent him to spend 335 badges already for upgrade that were vastly better. Leaving the Brooch for last is the most sensible. It is around 6-8 DPS better, compared to the double digit of the other ones.

And the Hourglass doesn't suffer aditionally because there are two more tiers of badge gear as there is still only one trinket, and it remains first tier. Unless you can get a droptrinket the comparison remains quite even throughout content.

In any case this is moot since he has gone and mostly crafted gear for BT. Which should mean he should have badges for the Brooch.

Wondering where my dps should be at, 1 t6 item (hyjal bm shoulders), 2 t5 items (netherbane, vr legs) the rest is kara / t4 gear. 41/20/0. The boots that are equipped right now are what I got off teron, I was wearing the kara boots, 12 agi enchant, 8 agi, and 4 agi 6 stam gems, along with the S2 helm with same meta as the t4 with a 10 agi gem. Had to juggle a little bit of gear around to keep the meta bonus with the new boots, but wondering where my damage should be at, with 0 group buffs, only agi elixir along with draenic wisdom, also had 2 superior mana oils.

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I cant quite figure out the spreadsheet, when I set it up to my gear, I can get the buffs to work out right, as if I wasnt getting any group buffs, so without a good group makeup, what about should my dps be at? I was spamming a 3:2 macro, and blowing cooldowns when they were up, along with AOTH for about half the fight.

Andyzxsixr

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What can I fix? I know the helm is lame, trying to get s3, s4 just working on getting the point, thanks.

Most of the improvements you can make are going to be with straight gear upgrades, but as far as improvements you can make with the gear you currently have there are a few things.

1. You are lacking in hit rating. If you aren't already, start using [Recipe: Spicy Hot Talbuk] and replace your [Item not found!] with a [Item not found!].
(The 2 [Design: Jagged Talasite]s should also be replaced with [Design: Shifting Nightseye]s

2. Optimize your cooldown usage. In that Teron parse, you used 3x TBW and 2x RF, which is what you should have had. However, if you had waited 1 more minute on using RF and combined it with your 3rd TBW you could have pumped out a bit more damage.

3. [Recipe: Elixir of Major Mageblood] > [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] More mana while casting steady shots and using AotH will do more for your sustained DPS than gaining more mana while AotV is active. If you aren't using mana oils already, apply them on both of your weapons. If you can do it without wasting tics, use your [Recipe: Fel Mana Potion]s slightly earlier in the fight. You could have used 3 there instead of 2 and avoided having to switch to AotV. And beat it into your paladins' heads that they need to use JoW. There's really no excuse not to on Teron. They should be in range to do it the entire fight unless you use some awkward positioning.

4. Pick up a second profession. Leatherworking (drums), Enchanting (ring enchants), Jewelcrafting (epic jc only gems, trinket, neck), or Engineering (helm, battle chicken (haste buff)) all have the potential to help you pump out that littel extra DPS.