If for nothing else, you're a prince for Open Office. I'm working with Cheeky's spreadsheet now. It indicates that my dps should be about twice what I'm getting (same for my pet), but I'll play around and ask about that on the spreadsheet forum when the time comes.

I am using a gun, the Wolfslayer Sniper-Rifle, and I'm a dwarf.

Prince Lactose.
Remember to input armor values.

You're probably able to drop quite a bit of Hit Rating without missing. Weapon Skill and its effects on Hit is still being researched, but some reports seem to indicate having 355 Weapon Skill drops the needed +Hit to 6% instead of 9%. This would be 95 Hit Rating.
I'm sure Cheeky will correct me if the Weapon Skill numbers don't match up with what he's seen/read/heard.

Lactose is correct, as far as I have been able to determine. Olgas is the real resource right now, and has been doing a lot of work to nail this stuff down.

I have seen plenty of anecdotal evidence to back up the new theory, and none to disprove it.

Does anybody have a good rule of thumb on what percent of damage a good hunter does with autoshot. And whether a bad hunter does more or less? I'd be using recount to look at this.

Depends on a lot of things - shot rotation being the biggest. A hunter using a 1:1.5 rotation will do signifigantly less autoshot damage than one doing a 1:1 rotation, for example. However, if a hunter is doing more than 50% of his personal damage with autoshots, something is probably wrong.

I think a easier check would be seeing amount of specials compared to amount of Auto Shots.
BM Hunters usually opt for a 1:1 ratio, while Marksman/Survival opt for a 1.5:1 ratio.
Other than that, look for Serpent Sting and Aimed Shot. Use of these usually show a lack of understanding of which specials to use.
Aspect of the Viper = bad
Only Steady Shots = bad (most of the time)

I'm 7/21/33 and I'm very happy with it. However, I go against the generally accepted view of Survival DPS.

Most people seem to think that random haste procs are bad, and you should use a 1.5:1 shot rotation. I have Imp. Hawk and a Dragonspine Trophy, so I'm hasted a good chunk of the time, and I stick with 1:1. I keep up with the BM Hunters without potting like mad.

Hi all,

I'm trying to accelerate (almost twink) the gearing up of my BM hunter. Am working on some craftable items and other rep upgrades that Fimbo and others in this thread have suggested for nub 70's. Thanks guys.

My question is about Don Santos' Famous Hunting Rifle. I have the gold to buy it if it pops up on the AH. Would you buy it now if you were me? Currently using the blue Valanos' Longbow.

In favour:
Instant awesome upgrade, the damage/speed/proc seems well regarded here
Achievable bullets have greater damage than arrows - I'm an Engi so can craft ammo too
The Prince just doesn't seem to want to give up his bow - trying for it every week
The arena crossbow would be painful to grind for given my entry-level gear - I'd die a *lot* and much prefer PvE as I'm crap at PvP

Against:
The upcoming expansion may mean maybe some green or blue weapon might replace it soonish
It's a gun - annoying sound & bows just seem to suit Orcs better
Lots of gold (~2500?) that could be used for twinking other slots - i.e. craftable armour

There are probably other factors I'm not aware of. What would you guys do?

wolf slayer sniper rifle is prety good

Crafting ammo can get expensive, especially if you dont have the tradeskills to support it. I remember when I was using the Timeless Arrow (1.8g/stack) I was spending about 75g in ammo alone every other day. And raiding 5 times a week didnt help, so I had to switch back to Cenarion Arrows.

Hey guys- thanks for making this thread cheeky!

My guild has made it's first attempt on gruul this weekend. I think I am doing pretty well, but I would really appreciate any comments that could help me improve my raid dps (I know 350k is good, but who doesn't want to improve?).

This was in my PVP gear because we were struggling with the shatters and I felt the added 4k HP would help keep me up when someone blundered into me >.<. I've heard there is a way to avoid getting moved by gruul before the shatters, but we can't seem to get behind the rocks on the periphery of the cave to avoid it...

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Is it feasible for me as survival spec to get much more dps out of my scorpid? I am trinketing and waiting for EW to be up before applying the first poison stack, and he usually lives throughout the fight...

Latest version is up to date with +hit.

Hey everybody,

I have a couple of questions regarding my BM hunter. This is my first raiding hunter, and I'm trying to make the right decisions when it comes to itemization and talents. Here's my toon's armory profile.

Basically I started the character just a while ago, and decided to go with Leatherworking, since it seemed like a reasonable way to get a gear boost before raiding. My guild has Karazhan and Gruul's Lair on farm, and we're making attempts on Magtheridon; while Karazhan loot can be rolled on by anybody, Gruul and Mag are on DKP.

I was wondering whether, given the places we are raiding, I made the right gear decisions. I'm looking for upgrades, but except for the T4 helm nothing else looks particularly appealing at the moment (the T4 legs would be nice, of course, but I am low on DKP). On our last Karazhan run I finally managed to get my bow, and on Illhoof I was doing about 1.1k dps (fubar dps figures, I wasn't logging so couldn't use WWS) using a scorpid as a pet. I generally shoot a 1:1 rotation, with KC macro'd before the steady.

I'm looking for suggestions on what I can improve, or any constructive criticism.

EDIT: I know that in theory the Wolfslayer might put out more DPS than the Sunfury bow. However, I sometimes have latency issues and the 2.1 auto-shot speed is a lot more forgiving. I would rather shoot a tad slower, but not clipping any autos.

Here's a question for you guys. Has anyone played around with the BT tanking gun (Rifle of the Stoic Guardian, 1.9 speed) using a 1:1 marks or survival rotation?

I raided last night and my DPS was only 456 sustained. I don't understand why my dps is so low compared to similarly geared in my guild. I am throwing Auto, and Steady and a few arcanes out there but can't seem to crack 500. What am I doing wrong?

The Armory

I apologize for the noob question, but searching through this thread hasn't given me an answer to this. Numerous times in this, and other hunter DPS threads, Steady Shot macros such as the one below pop up, and I've yet to see an explanation as to what purpose, exactly, the inclusion of 'Auto Shot' in the /castsequence does for you. Is it merely just to make it so that you can spam the macro without firing a second Steady Shot and clipping your Auto Shot cast?

just wasnted to say this is my first post in a while. i had a few questions about hit rating and hunter pet dps. i am a BM hunter 41/20/0. Armory Link. i switch in the ebon netherscale bracers for my HR gear. on my guilds mag kill the other night i had 138 HR (one more than the supposed cap for hunters that i had read). according to my guildies WWS i had a 2.8% miss on autos and a 2.4% miss on steadys. did the HR cap get raised or am i missing something?

secondly, according to cheekys spreadsheet my cats dps as a BM hunter should be 425. however according to wws im only getting a dps of 253 for my cat. my personal dps is right inline with what cheekys ss says i should have, but i dont understand why there is a almost 200 dps difference in what i am actually getting and what the spreadsheet says i should be getting.

Hi guys,

From what i understand from reading here, +8 agi gems are still the best way to gem your gear for a BM hunter since it adds armor, crit, and AP.

Why do I see so many hunters with better gear than I do with less than 400 Agi and mass stacking +16 AP gems then?

Is there a cutoff on AP where it is more beneficial to start stacking that and ignoring other stats somewhat?

Armory The Armory

Im getting the Merciless shoulders next week to replace my current ones and gemming them with Agi for pve, also im hoping for The Armory
Soon to also gem appropriately hopefully putting me close to the ~1750 ap and 630 agi, I know my crit could be worked on but from what i gather its fairly normal for a BM hunter with the gear i have availible.

Any thoughts? Any feedback appreciated,

Regards Diadems

The hit cap is actually 142. You got unlucky in seeing as many misses as you did, but you weren't capped.

The pet DPS factors in that you'll use KC each and every time you can, which is unrealistic. I'm not sure how to account for that, so that's part of the problem. Also, pet attacks are effected by target armor, which would be anywhere from 20% to 30% decrease. There are also flaws in how often Bite gets used if you have both that and claw. Since the pet's GCD doesn't allow for a single cast every 10 seconds. (You can see if your pet is missing/critting differently than the calculated rates as well - luck plays a major factor in those things.)

Don't assume that a Hunter with better gear always makes the smartest decisions. I've seen logs of guild killing T5 bosses with Hunters that aren't doing DPS you'd expect in Karazhan. Gear =/= skill or class knowledge.

Yeah Good point,

Any Advice on my gear/gem and stat choices?

Im using the standard bm 1:1 rotation mixing in arcane and multi for steadies when I feel i have the mana to burn, im chain potting right from the word go to maximise the ammount of mana i have to dump into DPS also,

From my testing I have found KC to be a waste of time in my rotation as it always seems to throw my auto back, anyone else share these sentiments?

KC isn't part of a rotation. You use it immediately before a steady shot, after the autoshot fires or use it immediately after an arcane/multishot.