Uckheavy

Hi guys, need a bit of help here I think. Recently transferred my hunter from Thorium Brotherhood to Moonguard and am now getting into some higher content than I have seen before. Went into SSC the other night and my performance was not what I had hoped it would be. Check out the WWS . My hunter's name is Wargish.

I use Manito's 3:2 shot macro and have since changed my spec a bit to have 5/5 Imp AotH instead of Endurance Training and Efficiency instead of imp hunter's mark. Feel free to take alook at my armory profile as well. I feel that I should be well over 1k dps pretty constantly, and yet I find myself downin the 800's even 700's sometimes.

One other problem that I think I may have is frame rate. I noticed during boss fights that my frame rate was dropping to about 7 or 8 FPS. If this is causing a huge problem for me, I will have to get rid of my very pretty looking Mazzle UI I guess. Anyway, I hope you all can help me. I don't want to be a hindrance to the raid as we head into Hyjal, Black Temple and Sunwell.


*edited for my horrible typing

 

Airraid

Your spec now looks fine and with that gear you should be pushing 1000dps constantly with relative ease. You did that on Lurker (1062) and FLK (1209) which are both very hunter friendly fights.

I suffered from a similar problem that you appear to: you're not making the most of your cooldowns. I don't see rapid fire used on either FLK or Lurker - I can see Bestial Wrath, Bladefists and Abacus being used - but even then they could have been used more than they were. For example, Lurker went for 7'55 and you didn't die. Below is how many times you used abilities and then in brackets is how many times they could have been used:

Blood Fury: 2 (3)
The Beast Within: 2 (3)
Ferocity: 2 (3)
Haste (Abacus of Violent Odds): 1 (3)
Rapid Fire: 0 (2)

You had a wisdom up both fights and shaman in your group, so you could be using haste pots for some oomph and still be ok with mana, use Fel mana pots if not. I was doing the same thing, not using my cooldowns properly and clumping them all together which ended up negating the purpose of them. Use BW early and pop rapid fire and a non-haste trinket with it, like the brewfest one you have just got. You have FD there ready to use if you start smashing early aggro but you should use it every cooldown anyway. Then, use your next trinket. Once that's worn off, use a haste pot. You should then have about a minute of normal dps then you can start the rotation again (without rapid fire this time because it's on a 3 min CD). Figure out what works best for you, that's just my suggestion.

You should use every cooldown you have when it's up provided it's the right time to use it. If you use all the tools at your disposal, you'll see a big difference.

 

Uckheavy

Thanks for the advice. I will definitely try to be more aware of what cooldowns are available and try to use them more often. I honestly let myself get too wrapped up in watching those fights. that was my first time ever seeing anything other than Lurker.

 

Orinho

Hello, I just joined this forum yesterday and I'm so lost.... There are lots of information but some of them are so old... So I ask you guys to help me if you could. I need some help with what equipments I need if I want to do ZA and T5.
Here's my link to armory The World of Warcraft Armory .
Right now I'm trying to get hourglass, and the armor that drops from Mag. I need to know where to spend my badges also...

Besides that I would like to know some good macro for me to use.

I'm using this one I got from wowwiki:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast !Auto Shot
/castrandom [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();


But I find that sometimes it doesnt cast kill command. I also notice that sometimes it steady shot twice in a row...

Thanks for attention and sorry about my english.

 

Griffen

Won't give you a gear list as I'm not that well into gear that I know off hand what would be an upgrade for you.

For badges, you want to spend them on Crossbow of relentless strikes: [Crossbow of Relentless Strikes]

For macros, you should try out manito's 3:2 macro, it might help with the KC bug: Manito's Modified 3:2 Steady Shot Macros - INFORMATION STICKY

Make sure you understand how the 3:2 macro works. You can read more about it in this info compilation from EU WoW forums: WoW-Europe.com Forums -> <[FAQ]>All Common hunter questions answered!!

To put it short, spamming your macro, you should get a rotation like this:
auto steady steady auto steady auto steady steady auto steady auto steady steady auto steady and so on.

That is considered optimal for BM hunters, and your current weapon have a perfect weapon speed for it.

Oh, and enchant+socket your gear

Numquam catapultas allice, iram omnium concitabis

 

Suspiria

With a 3.00 speed weapon (Black Bow), I've find some trouble in Manito: now my rotation is auto steady auto steady steady auto steasy steady auto steady steady and so on, like a 2:1, no more 3:2.
How I can return to the old rotation? Now my speed is 2.17, too slow for the Manito, I think.

 

Orinho

Griffen thanks very much for the reply. I tried the macro you linked me... I seems to be pretty god, but now I need a place to test it... Should I try it on Doctor Bloom in Netherstorm?
Another thing... The link you gave me said it wont work with a high ms/low fps, is that true? My ms normally is 325~485 and my fps is like 20 only...Sometimes even less... What do you think?

 

Airraid

I found some passive haste very helpful when I got the Illidan bow. Try getting [Bindings of Lightning Reflexes] crafted to replace the Supremus bracers and [Cloak of Fiends] from ZA to replace your current back. Both of those should help bring your shot speed down to something a little more comfortable.

 

Suspiria

Loosing Agi and AP? Without my back, I lose hit rating very much, then I should re-socket my equip, Hit Rating istead Agi/Crit, etc.. Is really a good deal for remain in 3:2 rotation? I've tried using ZA cloak, but I've found the same speed issue (2:1, not 3:2).
I see hunters raiding through SWP, using a 3.00 speed weapon, without (almost) any type of haste: using all 1:1 or what?

 

Faerdael

@Suspiria:
Ideally speeds below 2.07 are most optimal for 3:2. 4 drummer groups will keep an additional 80 haste on the hunters and bring them down to effectively a 2.07 base auto shot speed without any other passive haste on a 3.0 second bow, which can make this viable, although ideally I think most BM hunters in SWP don't mind having a little passive haste on top of that as well. If you don't get continual drums in your group, then you really should consider some passive haste or a faster bow.

In reality, alot of these gear decisions are going to be best hashed out by you utilizing Cheeky's spreadsheet., although I may make a few observations. First, you may just want to consider the [Crossbow of Relentless Strikes] (if you armory me, you may see the BBB equiped but generally I raid with the ol' Chickenator). This addresses your proper attack speed as well as giving you the remaining hit rating you appear to lack. I am assuming you are in a guild no longer running Hyjal, resulting in your use of the badge gloves. The only problem with that is it requires you to wear the T6 Pants of the Eldar instead of the better off-set pieces (Bow stitched, badge mail/leather pants). If you are working on Brutalus, you should be able to replace those awful pants once you get the Tier bracers from Kalecgos, and perhaps get into some badge pants which also can give you some more hit. If RoS is not kind to you, you should consider perhaps the [Belt of the Silent Path] over your current belt.

What I am getting at here is that you have some replacements that you can make, and thus relieve yourself of your hit rating crutches ([Drape of the Dark Reavers], [Halberd of Desolation]) for some higher quality items ([Cloak of Fiends], [Shivering Felspine] or [The Blade of Harbingers]) which would tighten your rotation and likely increase your DPS.

Also gem-wise, you appear to have at least 2 +10 crit rating gems and 2 +10 hit rating gems. Those really should be 4 +5hit/+5 agility gems instead, no question.

 

Suspiria

Remove the BT's polearm for a "statsless" Blade of Harbingers? This is really a good deal? I think not. I shoul replace ALL my socket with Hit rating, loosing 50 agi only from the polearm (then AP and crit), and so... If i cant resolve this rotation's issue in any way, I remain in a "broken" 2:1 unhasted, I cant see other way =\

Testing at Dr.Boom reveal that even a broken 2:1 is better than a regular 1:1 with BBB =O

 

Felixalias

It's generally agreed upon that Blade of Harbingers is better than Halberd, because the extra crit and haste outweigh ~40 AP. Of course, as usual, you'd have to check Cheeky's spreadsheet to see which would perform better for you. Using Bristleblitz, you'd probably want to gear more towards haste, and using Relentless Strikes, you'd want to gear more towards armor penetration (although a very small amount of haste CAN be beneficial, as long as it isn't overstacked).

 

Antichristo

Hello,
I am currently confused with my dps. I just switched to the typical bm spec for raiding thinking it would up my dps from my mm spec. However my dps seemed to drop considerably. I was floating around 1200 previous to switching to bm. Now since the change im floating around 1032. I am using the typical manitos 3:2 macro and just spamming it. My frame rate is extremly low in raids around 9fps and ms is around 100. I have aslo tried not using the macro and that brought me to about 1100. I am not sure what is going on really and have researched extensivly all over looking for a problem. I assume that my dps should be around 1400 or so with current gear. Here is my armory link The World of Warcraft Armory - My hit is around 115 currently now I can change some gems around and get it to 143 pretty easy but I just dont think that my hit can be the only problem. Thank you for any help.

 

Nataliah

It would be largely helpful for us if you supply a WWS report so we can analyze what you are doing in raids. Just based on what you said, I think the reason you are seeing lower DPS as BM is because you are chaining too many steady shots, meaning don't fire as many auto shots as you should. Without a WWS report, it's hard to tell if this is actually the case.

On another note, use +15 agility enchant on your gloves instead of +26 attack power.

 

Conn

Suspiria, if you find your hit lacking a bit, you can try to find [Biznicks 247x128 Accurascope] crafter on your realm (I asked around in our realm forums and 3-4 came out). So after you find one, then spam some trade / AH for lava cores and you are pretty much done with that scope - it should be cheaper than 28 crit anyway. Best I have got is like 6 gold for a lava core - they may go up to 50 or even higher, you just need to snipe a good trade.

If you go the hit scope way, then I suggest making at least 2 scopes: one for the current and one for the upgrade.

 

Modran

Greetings people of EJ, I'm currently hoping to seek some advice and some pointers regarding BM DPS at SWP level, as I feel that the damage output I'm doing in raids is lacking and very worrying. I used to be Surv specd and its been quite a while since I returned to BM, so I am in a way, kind of rusty Nonetheless, I have the ideal ranged weapon for a range of suitable BM spec shot rotations and that should be the chickn xbow, as well as having a right amount of haste.

Well first off, here's a link to a recent Brutallus attempt: Wow Web Stats
Also a link to a full BT clear: Wow Web Stats

My group setup at Brut is as follows:

- Feral Druid
- BM Hunter
- BM Hunter
- BM Hunter (me)
- Prot Warr MT

Overall, I was content with the overall damage I managed to deal, but my DPS was definitely a cause for concern. I tend to focus on a 1:1 shot rotation alot and sometimes even weave in a few arcane shots, so its not entirely 1:1.5 either (I need to get this sorted straight for sure). I am more than willing to give 2:1 or even 3:2 a try if it's suitable, but atm, I am very unsure. My pet is a WS and I tend to be around 20 hit rating away from the cap; I understand the significance of reaching the hit cap, but is it likely that another contributing factor could be affecting my DPS to a much greater extent? Could the group setup be the issue? Much thanks in advance.

 

Squinky001

With the four piece bonus from T6 a 3:2 rotation becomes superior to 1:1 because of the higher damage on Steady Shot. The problem is that it is more mana intensive. I noticed that you only had a holy pally so no Judgement of Wisdom (which makes the fight so, so much easier on mana) on Brut and that you had to pop mana pots instead of haste pots. Obviously if you have the mana support for it using haste pots is a big increase in DPS.

Some things I noticed:
My raid group usually goes with Feral druid, BM hunter, BM hunter, SV hunter or BM hunter, Resto Shaman for the hunter group along with two heroisms given to the hunters to line up with two of the three BWs. We've only gone once without someone keeping JoW up on Brut, and for me having to pop fel mana pots instead of haste pots meant around a 400-500 DPS.

You're well under hit-cap, even if you regularly have a boomkin. With spicy hot talbuk and a boomkin with Imp. FF you'd be hit capped, but I didn't see a boomkin in that WWS from Brut.

As BM you don't ever use Arcane Shot unless you're on the move and want to get a shot off or with an MD. And you never use Serpent Sting. Ever. It's damage is just not worth the mana cost. (This will change in Wrath and patch 3.0, but until then Serpent Sting sill blows.)

I would suggest trying out the Crossbow of Relentless Strikes and see if it ups your damage. Weapon speed and haste tend to be very personal things that you have to test to find what works best for you. Personally, I prefer Crossbow with about 81 haste mostly because that's the point at which I drop into a 1:1 from a 3:2 when Quick Shots procs. (I don't have quite enough passive haste gear or a DST to make a 3.0 speed weapon do the same)

And a minor thing, but try using Elixirs of Demonslaying on Brut. The AP gain from it is better than a flask of Relentless Assault. (And you can pair it with an Elixir of Major Mageblood which will help with mana issues, albeit on a small amount.)

 

Kamaa

Has anybody had trouble lately with pulling aggro while not being anywhere near the top of threat meters? I almost never pull aggro. It's just something I avoid at all costs, but lately I've been pulling aggro a LOT, on trash and bosses, but my threat always shows me well below the tanks when it happens. I haven't changed anything as far as addons/macros or anything that would cause this. We did change main tanks, but their slightly lower TPS doesn't appear to be the problem.

I'm at a loss. I FD every time it's on cooldown without fail. Even if I'm nowhere near the tanks on meters, I just do it. My paranoia isn't paying off. Sometimes I'm still pulling even near the end of a Brutallus fight. This wasn't an issue until just two weeks ago.

Is anybody else having a problem?

Omegatron has arrived.

 

Khassandra

Yes, its been happening to me a lot lately. And I mean A LOT. Everyone will be watching Omen and I'll be nowhere near the top and pull. Some have chalked it up to people having different versions but once we all updated it, it was still happening.

 

Kamaa

Thanks for the response. Did you pull much prior to this, or has it been only a recent change? Also, I love your neck. Story or mistake? A warrior, known as "New Guy Tank", tried to tell me today that I needed to pull my pet off of my target before I FD for it to work. Apparently it's been like that since SSC/TK according to him. I nearly flipped my lid.

Omegatron has arrived.

 

Khassandra

Hahah, I get more comments about my neck, I swear. Most of them are pretty rude. It was a gift from a very dear friend but I don't use it for raiding (unless I forget to switch it, which has happened more than I'd like to say). I have the Shattered Sun neck for raids.

Its just a recent problem. The only time I've had issues before this was in my previous guild with shitty tanks whose TPS was in the toilet. Or when I get the 100% threat on Kalec and there's a shot in the air already and my FD is on CD. Otherwise I'm very good about my threat management.

Oddly enough, I actually had someone tell me I had to dismiss my pet first or FD wouldn't work. o.O

 

Fragsrus

I logged my first run at Dr. Boom and was wondering if I could get someone here to look over my WWS report and give any constructive criticism .

Armory
WWS

Also, is there a way to get my pet into this fight? My WWS report isn't quite complete without my pet's dps and the Ferocious Inspiration the procs when he crits.

Thanks for any help you all can give,
Zuljitak

 

Faerdael

Get better gear, enchant your gear? Not alot to say about that. Spec is fine. Hit cap is 142, work on that. Best thing could point out is 62% steadies with a 1.96 auto speed is horribly off. Find a 3:2 macro and start using that (I'm guessing you are trying to manually weave?).

In short, no you cannot use your pet there. Not to sound flippant, but its Dr. Boom you are up against there, a level 68 mob with all the applicable armor and chance to hit, excetera. He isn't going to give you a true representation of the DPS you are going to do in a raid. Its more about hashing out rotations and gear, a compare X to Y type of thing, not "this will be my raid DPS".

 

Fragsrus

I am using a 3:2 macro:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast !Auto Shot
/castrandom [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();

As well as combining the use of Beastial Wrath with the brewfest trinket and then combining my other trinket with rapid fire.

And I haven't enchanted my gear yet b/c I figure it not worth enchanting most of it due to the expansion so soon to release.

I guess I was not clear as to what I was looking for form this forum. I'm not really asking "Am I raid ready?" But more, Am I doing the damage that I should be doing with the gear that I have? And if not, what do I need to change as far as my use of abilities. Other than the obvious, "Get better gear" answer.

 

huntcaudata

You look good. The 62% figure for steadies is the damage, not the number of shots. Shots fired was 50:39 which is about 2.6:2 - I'd expect to see something less than 3:2 anyway because of rapid fire. If you want to see if things are working correctly (and they appear to be - I only saw 1 string of 3 steady shots), do a session without using rapid fire and make sure that ratio comes out right. Then do one with rapid fire and make sure it ends up very close to 1:1.

Edit: Oh, I guess you didn't use rapid fire. The non-3:2 ratio can probably still be explained just by quick shots. A visual inspection of the shot order sure looks good.