Well this spec isnt optimized much for raiding. Your hit rating is way low so youll want surefooted. You would get more mileage out of 8agi gems than the green crit/stam ones you have.

Have a look at somethign more like this. Its my build modified to add surefooted since you need the hit. Expose weakness is really the whole point of going SV for your guild and it adds a good amount of personal dps as well. Monster slaying is largely a waste of points given how many of the bosses in kara/ssc/tk are humanoid. If you dont want to be nice to your raid you can move the points I have in imp hunters mark into efficiency.

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Gem wise, 8 agi gems are gonna beat out 4agi 6 stam ones. On your gear, dont work so hard to keep all the gem bonuses. e.g. the 2mp5 on your chest is not workth putting sub-optimal gems in for. For trinkets, bladefists breadth is an easy quest and Hourglass of the Unraveler is from black morass. You can get bloodlust broach form heroic badges. Might consider getting a thick netherscale breastplate crafted. Can put agi enchants on your boots and gloves but I probably wouldnt spend the money on those gloves. The boots you will have for a while so go ahead and put dexterity on them.

Very nice spec. Did my first raid today as survival and came to realize that I had an infinite supply of mana lol. So i'm tweaking some points around to the spec you posted. Very nice indeed.

No no.

From using Cheeky's spreadsheet, I've found weapon speed plays a much larger factor when your gear isn't quite end-game level. When you are sub 2000 AP, sbu 20% crit, your weapon speed is going to be a substantial part of your damage. Also, on something like the Don Santos, that AP proc is going to figure to be a lot more relative DPS to your current gearstate than to someone with better gear later on.

I do a lot of permutations (sp?) with the spreadsheet, and weapon speed is a factor/non-factor depending on what gear I've plugged in. Currently, I'm loaded up on haste gear, and find both the spreadsheet, and real life tell me that my Serpent Spine Longbow is better than my Sunfury. At one point, it told me that Sunfury was quite a bit better than Serpent Spine. So I tried it. Did I notice the difference? Sure, my rotation was a bit tighter. Now, I've got so much haste gear, I actually wanted to slack out my shot speed a bit and went with Serpent Spine. Plugging it into the spreadsheet told me it was a DPS upgrade. Was that my main motivating factor? No, I did it because I was more comfortable with a slightly (and I mean slightly) slower speed.

The people saying Don Santos, and Wolfslayer, etc. are the best BM hunter weapons have yet to show me any definitive proof that this is a the case. The spreadsheet tells me that it waxes and wanes based on what gear I'm wearing. My gut tells me that they're better for undergeared hunters, but no so much for hunters with high AP/Crit. Ultimately, you have to ask yourself if you think it's worth trying. But there's definitely no hard and fast rule.

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I have been sifting through threads for a few hours now, so I am just going to ask what I have to. What is your guys' opinion on Scaled Greaves of the Marksman vs Void Reaver Leggings for survival? To me, I think of them as sort of on par with each other and wanted to get some input. Also, I was curious as to how DPS and general usefulness would relate between a spec that utilizes IAotH and one that opts for 3/3 barrage and 2 points of fun. If you can help, do you have a link to something you can use as support for your opinion?

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I am a BM hunter and I am just trying to find the best talents for my pet in PVE circumstances. I have a lv 70 ravager and I want to spec him with optimum DPS and survivability. The talents I know to pick are Growl Rank 8, Avoidance Rank 2, and Dash Rank 3 (for pvp). The parts I am unsure of are whether to give him Cobra Reflexes so that Ferocious Inspirtation is up constantly, Bite or Gore since Gore is instant, and what Ranks of Natural Armor and Great Stamina should be learned.

On Illidan your pet is just screwed. =p

Nature resist is pretty irrelevant for SSC as Hydross shouldn't kill your pet if you keep mend pet up/JoL. Best bet is to max AR till Kael dies and then switch to SR. Hyjal trash has an SR damage aura and sometimes your pet might take a shadow bolt or two.

I'll prolly get mocked and called a noob, but what is JoL? Reason I ask is, my DPS on VR could be higher, if I didn't have to take my pet out as much for heals.

Judgement of Light. Your paladins should be debuffing pretty much every boss with it.

Nature Resist is handy for Vashj, it's the only thing you need resist for on your pet in SSC.

We're lucky to even see JoW up once a raid.

I think they put JoL up on Souls, once... in phase 1

dont get me started.


and yeah the NR I mentioned was for Vashj lightning+static.

Have been searching forums and still don't understand why a faster weapon is better for BM. I find that by the time my steadyshot has casted and fired my autoshot has already been clipped, so wouldn't a slower weapon be better then?

You want the fastest shot speed in which you do not clip. If 2.7 hasted with hawk/serpent's swiftness/quiver is too fast for you, then opt for a 2.9 weapon.

The reason is, you want to be able to cast every global cooldown. When you fire a steady shot with a slow weapon and a 1:1 rotation, you often wait .4 or more seconds for your autoshot to fire before you can use another special. If you drop that wait time to .2 seconds and comfortably do not clip, then there is less wasted time.

Good post, but keep in mind SSP will be buffed from ilevel 138 to ilevel141 next patch, thus bringing it on the same level as legionkiller.

From then its just a fight between 0,1 speed and better hunter stats on SSP.

Yeah I forgot about the upgrade. With your current hit rating I probably would not use Legionkiller over SSP until I got some more hit rating. You can always just use the spreadsheet and if the dps difference is within 15 the one with the hit will surely be 'safer' to use.

Well my armory profile was how i rolled moments ago in WSG. Normaly i use heroic badges neck, sonic spear and sometimes i swap in prince ring so i hit around 130 HIT. And i can always swap in the cloak of aran.

My biggest problem at the moment isn't my ranged weapon but my melee weapon(s). Sonic spear is a decent weapon of choice but sadly after:

10+ ozz kills
7+ kael kills
5+ Naj'entus kills

We ended up with zero legacy's, zero twinblades and zero halberds of desolation. Talk about bad luck heh!

Managed to pick up trackers blade tho, now waiting for 2.2 for the + 20 agi enchant. Cause dual wielding trackers blade + any other decent one hander with + 20 agi will rival the above 3 weapons with ease.

I dual weild as well, for much the same reasons you outlined above. I have yet to see a Halberd, Twinblade, or Legacy (post 2.1) drop for me. I passed a Legacy a long time ago, before the buff was known.

Currently I'm Rising Tide + Netherbane, with another Netherbane in the bank. Statistically, they don't compare to the twinblade or the Halberd, even after +20 agi enchants, but there's a couple of things I really like about Dual Wielding:

Mix and Match stats. Having two weapons affords me more options when I'm trying new itemization setups. The rising Tide is nice for the +hit, but once I've got that covered on other gear, I can swap in my second Netherbane for a DPS boost. Also, once my rogues have their Hyjal daggers/swords, I can swap those in for a big boost to stats.

Dual Mana Oils. Dual Wielding allows me to double up on Mana Oils on the longer fights, getting twice as much mana regeneration out of my weapon slot than other classes. If Adamantine Sharpening Stones still worked on range, you could cite that as a rather large benefit as well.

There is a real lack of Hunter 2Hers going thru SSC and TK. The need by Blizzard to put +str on everything is really frustrating. I used Felsteel Reaper forever, and that just doesn't seem right. However, it looks like Zul'aman will be fixing that, with the release of the Zin'Rokh clone (I believe it has haste on it, even!)

I smiled at the numerous illidan killshot pics with hunters using Sonic spear and thrallmar's revered weapons while the 23 other people wielded sick epic weapons. The lack of weapons isnt that bad overal for hunters with 3 very well itemized items IF your guild reached BT. However if you compair it with lets say rogue weapons and healer weapons, they have 1/2 choices PER instance.

I dont know what your source is for the Zin'rokh clone, but it sounds awesome. Lets hope for a hakkari warblade clone as well! But its also my fear of with Zul Aman will become(a place to go to 7 times for that one uber item while u see 94 downgrades drop from BT loot) but lets not derail to much.

Dualwielding trackers blade + a decent one hander? What race got 3 arms?

Tracker's Blade + another weapon.

I think its pretty obvious what i meant to say. Everyone knows you can't wield 3 weapons so please contribute with useful information instead and i try to write a bit more tidy!

5 of us just did a heroic mech to test start WSS. The results can be found here:

Hotsushi - WWS

It was a pretty relaxed mess around run, so maxing wasnt ever what we were trying to do. However I noticed that on Mechano I did 900+ dps while on the others I was doing 600+ dps. So I figure my shot rotations are messed up. I use a fairly common maccro as my primary.

Macro: /castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/castrandom [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command

Is this macro my problem? I just pound it over & over with an occasional arcane or multi. However I do see those ugly red "action failed" bars alot.

I'm sure my gear should allow for pretty decent dps. To that end I was thinking I could get 900-1100. I'm just not sure where the error in my ways is.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Edit: todays spec is 41/5/15 for arena rather than my normal 41/20/0 so please take that into acct.