Well, if you did use that arena spec in the heroic that would account for a noticeable drop in dps.
As for the macro, I used something similar up until a few weeks ago, when I switched to one that put KC before SS. Before that I noticed a lot of minor clipping of autos when spamming thee macro. After the switch, on advice taken from the BM thread here, I have yet to notice any clipping at all when just using the macro.
But also the difference betweeen focusing attention and just doing a relaxed run without maxing too much can be pretty damned significant, so I'd say it really is little reason to worry.
I need some advice regarding the Lady Vashj fight. We just put our first attempts in on her this week and I struggled with one of the assignments I was given. We were split into sections on the stairs, and each person was supposed to handle killing the elementals.
I fell behind quickly, especially when I didn't crit well, or often. The warlocks and the MM hunter didn't complain of this problem, so I am not sure if I am just doing something wrong, or if it's down time in running myself and my pet to the mobs before I can start dps on them.
I'm also looking for advice on what changes I can make to my gear right now that will help boost up the dps and give me a better advantage for burst damage when needed.
I need some advice regarding the Lady Vashj fight. We just put our first attempts in on her this week and I struggled with one of the assignments I was given. We were split into sections on the stairs, and each person was supposed to handle killing the elementals.
I fell behind quickly, especially when I didn't crit well, or often. The warlocks and the MM hunter didn't complain of this problem, so I am not sure if I am just doing something wrong, or if it's down time in running myself and my pet to the mobs before I can start dps on them.
Here are the WWS reports on it.
Wow Web Stats
I'm also looking for advice on what changes I can make to my gear right now that will help boost up the dps and give me a better advantage for burst damage when needed.
First off, How many sections do you divide the stairs into?
We divide the stairs into 6 sections. We use hunters and warlocks to kill the elementals.
If you place yourself in the middle of your area you should be in range for all elementals.
Save your Bestial wrath for when a tainted one spawn. ^^
As for the gear......I first got the +hit rating, then I got 27 % crit and rest I put on AP(BM specced). I do insane amount of damage. =)
Your gear looks pretty damned good to me. I'd just switch those +hit gems, since you seem to have more than enough + hit without them, and I'd probably smack a crit scope on the rifle as well.
As for Vashj, I hope I'll get the chance to see that fight for myself someday.:P
We have 4 sections when we set up, and we have floaters who are to handle any that sneak by, and also assist in dps'ing the striders. I was able to kill them, but it would take (on bad runs with no crits) the entire length of the stairs for me to get them down. By that time, another one would be halfway up the stairs.
And yes, I do mean to get rid of some of the +hit, I just got the new ring a few days ago and it bumped me over the 135 I try to sit at.
I need some advice regarding the Lady Vashj fight. We just put our first attempts in on her this week and I struggled with one of the assignments I was given. We were split into sections on the stairs, and each person was supposed to handle killing the elementals.
I fell behind quickly, especially when I didn't crit well, or often. The warlocks and the MM hunter didn't complain of this problem, so I am not sure if I am just doing something wrong, or if it's down time in running myself and my pet to the mobs before I can start dps on them.
I'm also looking for advice on what changes I can make to my gear right now that will help boost up the dps and give me a better advantage for burst damage when needed.
We have 4 camps. Myself and the other hunter always take north and south, while a lock(s) or Feral Druid handle east and west. We then have 2 magesbreak off from striders and run around to help when tainteds spawn, i'll elaborate later
Tricks I have developed over the maybe times killing her.
1. Bind Pet attack to a key, as well as your auto steady macro. I always use a cat on this fight. Start mid way down the steps, you being max range from the spawn area but not out of range and waiting for the mob to get to you. Start to DPS as soon as one spawns with an auto steady rotation and send your pet in via key bind, so within .5 seconds of the spawn your doing damage and your pets on the target as well with in a second. 9 out of 10 times the elemental should be dead before he hits your dead zone. If he's not and the next one is up let your pet finish the current mob, you switch and begin burning the other down. The trick to this is by the time your pet kills the one he's on his dash/dive will be off cool down and he can haul ass to the next mob that you are currently on and should have about 1/2 dead. Rinse and repeat this. If you DPS is to low weave in an arcane shot, but it was never and issue for me when I did this fight in tier 4/5 gear.
2. Striders suck. Save your BW for when they spawn to avoid getting feared and falling behind on your adds. You can burn one BW in phase 1 and should be all set for the fear breaker in phase 2.
3. Rapid Fire. Save this until you get a tainted. When a tainted spawns break off from what ever your on and kill it quick, usual shot rotation is fine as long as you and your pet get on him quick. This is where the mage comes in. The mage assigned to your side, runs to loot the core, you are doing your best to catch up on adds that have run by while you kill your tainted. THe mage passes off the core to the healer at the top of the steps and then fires off a few blasts on your mobs has he runs back up the steps helping you get caught back up to only having 1 elemental up at a time, use rapid fire here if you really behind to get caught up. The mage will go back to DPSing striders until the next tainted it up and your back to an easily manageable 1 elemental at a time.
4. Your spec looks ok but the lack of Imp Mend Pet would be good to take. I have never had an issue with my pet losing focus for attacks and where you and your pet are out of LOS from your healer some of the time for phase 2 don't expect them to keep both you and your pet up from poisons and lighting. Imp mend pet is a life saver on this fight and you might want to consider a spec tweak.
Over all phase 2 should be a cake walk as a BM hunter as long as your quick on your targets. With a mage as backup when you get a core on your side its a very fun and stress free fight. Best of luck killing her.
(sorry for any spelling/grammar, i'm ninja posting while at work )
Note: we have not killed her yet (Reached phase3 one time last night, with 23 people dead at the start of it)
I also used to struggle with the add,s but for learning I decided to spec back to MM.
It was a breeze, I can deffinatly(spelling?) advice you to try it at least once
This means its the same proc as gronnstalker, so yes i presume it would work. But is it really a good setup to wield trackers blade and Boundless Agony?
Also Haste will be nerfed with Patch 2.2, I'd like to hear some Experiences from Hunters using Haste Rating. In BT, there are a lot of Items with Haste, for Example the "Band of Devestation" url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32526Band of Devastation - Items - World of Warcraft[/url], Random Drop Ring. I usually passes for the Rogues / Off-Warriors, thinking the Haste ist more effective for them.
But, there are also Mail Fists and Wrists (Plans for them) with haste rating, so I mentioned that those Items aren't only interesting for the Shamans.
So, with an Haste Rating of ( for example) 31 from the ring, is it possible to "fire" a clean rotation or will I get in trouble cause of the faster shooting? With even more haste Items, I will easily get up to a haste rating of 80, will it be more and more difficult for a clean shot rotation or does the haste effects ALL Shots, so there will be no Problem? Thanks for any Reply.
I would like to ask another Question, depending on my Ping. I usually have a Ping of 200, even with a quite fast Connection. I read in this Forum, that having a lower Ping will increase the Damage, because of a better Rotation. Well, I cant understand that, because my Rotation works ( What I think) perfectly, I have no Time-LAgs between the Shots (Steady - Auto - Steady - Auto - Arcane - Kill Command). All Shots get normaly out with no delay.
So, how can I increase my Damage with a better Ping? I could easily get a better Ping for a cost of €1,- each Month, but still hasitate because of domesic troubles while the Order costs € 30,-. What it a lot for "one klick" in their Programm for the Phone-Company...
first of all sorry for my bad english, its not my first language..
anyway.. at the moment we're facing vashj and she will go down pretty soon. so, the naga-lady is carying the nice Serpent Spine Longbow - Items - World of Warcraft with her. the bow looks like a pretty nice upgrade to the phoenix bow from prince malchezzar to me.
but theres also al'ar, which could drop the Arcanite Steam-Pistol - Items - World of Warcraft. 'cause i'm a dwarf hunter, i'll get some free hit/crit with my racial bonus etc. you all guys know that stuff already.
i personally think, that i will do better with the pistol. 'cause with the free hit/crit that i got, i'm able to change some of my gear. less hit & more pure dps-stats
to make it short: which of these two ranged weapons is better for me? as i said, i play a dwarf hunter, BM specced.
so long - madrok
ps. or another option: fuck these to weapons and wait till legionkiller off supremus drops?
Last edited by Madrok : 09/11/07 at 8:39 AM.
Reason: fucked up typo ;(
Also Haste will be nerfed with Patch 2.2, I'd like to hear some Experiences from Hunters using Haste Rating. In BT, there are a lot of Items with Haste, for Example the "Band of Devestation" url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32526Band of Devastation - Items - World of Warcraft[/url], Random Drop Ring. I usually passes for the Rogues / Off-Warriors, thinking the Haste ist more effective for them.
But, there are also Mail Fists and Wrists (Plans for them) with haste rating, so I mentioned that those Items aren't only interesting for the Shamans.
So, with an Haste Rating of ( for example) 31 from the ring, is it possible to "fire" a clean rotation or will I get in trouble cause of the faster shooting? With even more haste Items, I will easily get up to a haste rating of 80, will it be more and more difficult for a clean shot rotation or does the haste effects ALL Shots, so there will be no Problem? Thanks for any Reply.
I would like to ask another Question, depending on my Ping. I usually have a Ping of 200, even with a quite fast Connection. I read in this Forum, that having a lower Ping will increase the Damage, because of a better Rotation. Well, I cant understand that, because my Rotation works ( What I think) perfectly, I have no Time-LAgs between the Shots (Steady - Auto - Steady - Auto - Arcane - Kill Command). All Shots get normaly out with no delay.
So, how can I increase my Damage with a better Ping? I could easily get a better Ping for a cost of €1,- each Month, but still hasitate because of domesic troubles while the Order costs € 30,-. What it a lot for "one klick" in their Programm for the Phone-Company...
Thanks a Lot, all the best to you.
Haste is, by far, the biggest boost I've given my DPS, ever. I was on the fence for a long time about haste, especially with the nerf coming up, but I've taken the plunge and must say, it's amazing for hunter DPS, to the point it makes me think it's hunters numbers, and not rogues, that are breaking the mechanic. I've given it some in-game testing, and as a BM hunter, I absolutely love it. I'm currently at a 1.94 shot speed with Serpent Spine Longbow. Haste affects all shots, from Aimed to Steady, so your Steady Shot cast time drops as well. I've had no clipping problems at all, and the only thing I'll say about haste is it makes Rapid Fire less than 100% effective. It doesn't make it suck, but you don't get as much out of it.
In that report you'll also see Rage Winterchill and Anetheron kills. I'm around 1400 DPS on all of them. My pet died around 15% on Teron, as well. The other thing you'll notice is my high miss rate. ~2.5%. I've sacrificed +hit for +haste, and to be honest, it appears to be a good tradeup. I look at it this way: I'm around 12% hasted. That means, over a long enough timeline (and tank and spanks like Teron, and Rage, are just that) I'm going to get 11% more shots in. That more than negates the 2% of shots I will miss.
I debate with my guildmates, anecdotally, the classes that benefit the most from haste rating. Personally, I don't think it's rogues, because it only helps energy generation to a very small degree (with talents.) Fury warriors perhaps, because it increases rage generation. I can agree with that. But because haste makes both steady and auto shot faster, I feel hunters get the most out of it because it directly affects our white, and yellow damage.
My fellow hunter Pyrodave, has a different itemization strategy, and he puts up real decent numbers as well. He loves haste, but wears 2x ring and the leather haste belt, only. He also stacks AP over crit, whereas i look to balance them. I outgear him a little, but I feel he outplays me a little more (he's more diligent with cooldowns, etc.) Recently, as we've gotten haste gear, we've both really pulled away from the pack DPS-wise, to where it's causing some consternation with some of our other members. We both agree it is the haste that has done this.
I, as well, hover right around 200ms ping in a full raid. I have no problems, but I do use a macro. I never really had an issue re: ping. As long as it's stable -- that is, stays around 200ms and doesnt fluctuate -- then you should be fine. What I found was a real boost to my DPS a little while ago was upgrading my system. I went from 10-15fps in a raid to 45-60fps by getting a new, modern computer. That made a huge difference, as it allowed me to be more precise on my macro use.
@Madrok
For comparing different items like you're doing, use the spreadsheet. There are tons of variables to take into consideration (e.g. shot rotation, stats, group compositon and buffs, etc), and the spreadsheet is designed to give answers to the question you're using - will I do more damage with this item or that item?
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Haste is definitely a very big dps upgrade for hunters, but it is pretty difficult to quantify who benefits the most from haste rating. It is just like all the AP/Crit/Hit items in the game too. Realistically, there are several classes that would put any of these stats to good use. At least unlike rings and trinkets, a lot of the haste gear in the game is based on armor type so there is less competition. Most of the theory discussion I hear says that dps warriors would in theory gain a lot from haste, but have no innate threat reduction, so they have to meter themselves and the haste is essentially lost. This probably depends on your warriors (ours is good, but does tend to die a lot). The argument for rogues is that they really have no haste cap. They can manage their threat, and they have a faster global cooldown then us hunters. All the classes benefit, it really just comes down to the player.
In terms of hunter theory, I would examine the potential gear combinations before stacking haste blindly (which I am sure you have done, I just don’t want newer hunters throwing haste everywhere). As a BM hunter stacking haste you are probably going for a tight 1:1 rotation with very little dead time. Obviously, you probably wouldn’t want to drop below a 1.5 second average auto shot speed (which would be difficult, but don’t forget to factor Improved Aspect of the Hawk). The other thing to consider is if you decide to go for haste, you will be firing more shots but the average damage per shot will probably decrease since you have to sacrifice some AP, crit, hit to get more haste.
If you have some haste gear, that means you are pushing BT and Hyjal, and so it seems that you would want to get your 4 piece bonus from Tier 6, and then probably stack haste from the other slots like bracers and belt. I haven’t done any number crunching but I doubt there is enough haste itemization to overcome the +10% damage to steady shot set bonus. Some of the better hunter theorycrafters might have more insight into that.
I've found, in my itemizing for haste, I am not sacrificing AP at all when it comes to haste. What I seem to be giving up is a little crit, and hit. The AP on some pieces is in fact more than on the pieces I replaced.
More poor math:
Raid buffed I'm over 30% crit easy. Hasted I get 10% more shots in on a boss. Lets say a boss is 100 shots. Haste, I get in 110. I've lost crit, sure. But I have 10 more hits in on the boss. With 30% crit rate, 3 of those theoretically crit. I've upped my effective crit rate on the boss by 3%. This is why I like haste so much; it just makes everything that much better. I haven't lost AP at all from going haste, and to me, that's the biggest stat needed to make haste work.
4pc. Tier 6 looks to be a bit of a ways off for me; not just getting the bosses down, but getting in line DKP wise, I'll be waiting a bit for Tier 6. That's fine. The offset pieces, with haste, really work out for m. When it gets nerfed to 15.7, I'll probably want more pieces to get me to where I am now, but I'm definitely happy at 12% haste.
MANY Thanks to all the Answers referring my Question to Haste Rating, thanks a lot - Seems, I have to overthink Haste and the haste Items.
Edit: I Overthinked all the maths. I believe you and your maths, but comparing the three Items from the first Bosses in BT with haste and the stats I will lose by changing those items, ist hard to math that. I will try to do the math as easy as it goes, poorly I only have the German Items.
I would change Writsts, Ring and Hands fpr haste rating (Stamina and Int are out of the math:
Wrists: 18agi, 58 ap, 19 crit
Ring: 25agi, 50 ap
Hand T5: 34 agi, 19 hit, 68 ap
Summary: 77agi, 176ap, 19 crit, 19hit (253 rap all in all, 2.9% Crit)
With the haste rating Items it would look like that:
Wrists: 21 agi, 27 haste, 56 ap
Ring: 31 haste, 66ap
Hand: 25agi, 37 haste, 76 ap
Summary: 46 agi, 198ap, 95 haste ( 244 rap all in all, 1.1% crit, 95 haste ( ? % more Speed)
So, 95 Haste opponents 1.8 % Crit and 19 hit.
I'd like to compare this ingame, but this will nuke my DKP I think, specially because Im looking forward for Bow / Najentus Weapon :-/
All in all, thanks a lot for any comment. Wish you all the Best!
I'm(Nyoron) about to enter Karazhan with a guild that's already semi-farming it. I'm getting Fel Leather Leggings once my slacker LW comes online. A few questions, if I may.
1) My health. Will I be able to survive everything or should I get a set for swapping in stuff? I'll be at about 5.7kish unbuffed once I get my fel leather leggings with a clefthide kit.
2) I'm using a boar currently. Would switching pet produce a massive DPS increase and if so what should I switch to?
3) Gear to farm that's not replaceable in Kara? I guess Hourglass of the Unraveller and Bloodlust Brooch, anything else?
4) Necklace of the Deep. Some people say it's the best hunter neck before BT or something, others switch to Worgen Claw Necklace or something immediately. Assuming I stay BM(standard raid 41/20/0), what's the bottom line on this very sexy neck? The reason I ask is because I don't really want to invest in rare gems in something I'll just replace in kara.
5) Glaring errors? Yell at me please.
You might need more stamina for Shade of Aran. In theory the healers can keep you alive with less, but being able to take an additional hit from him can make a big difference in survivability. Could just swap it out for that fight.
Okay, so that's my guild's WWS for tonight's raid, Al'ar and Void Reaver. I'm sick to death of looking at damage and dps numbers like this and I'm not really sure what's wrong. The only thing I can think of is that my latency is 500-600 the entire raid and that may be killing my dps, but I'd appreciate any help I can get. What am I doing wrong?
Right now I'm using the Steady Shot macro because trying to time shots with a latency that often climbs into the 700s during a raid is an exercise in futility. In contrast with tonight, here's a WWS of a few FLK tries: Wow Web Stats
On virtually every attempt on FLK I'm 1-3 on the damage/dps meters and I was manually timing my shots because I had a ~200 latency the whole raid.
Okay, so that's my guild's WWS for tonight's raid, Al'ar and Void Reaver. I'm sick to death of looking at damage and dps numbers like this and I'm not really sure what's wrong. The only thing I can think of is that my latency is 500-600 the entire raid and that may be killing my dps, but I'd appreciate any help I can get. What am I doing wrong?
Right now I'm using the Steady Shot macro because trying to time shots with a latency that often climbs into the 700s during a raid is an exercise in futility. In contrast with tonight, here's a WWS of a few FLK tries: Wow Web Stats
On virtually every attempt on FLK I'm 1-3 on the damage/dps meters and I was manually timing my shots because I had a ~200 latency the whole raid.
Help?
I think you are doing it backwards. With high latency you are better off manually timing your shots, not using the macro. Use a cast bar mod like Quartz to judge your instantaneous latency and try to precast as best as possible. 500 ms latency and a macro is a recipe for piss-poor DPS and a lot of Auto Shot clipping.
When your latency is really good the macro could allow you to relax and focus on other parts of the fight. I recommend everyone always hand time their shots, but I'm an elitist asshole who thinks it's part of what makes playing a Hunter challenging.
I'm currently using a KC/SS macro and two separate SS and KC macros (I'm specced BM). The reason for this is that when I set my pet to attack a target, and KC is able to be used, if I use my standard KC/SS macro my character will wait for either KC to time-out or my pet to get in range to use it. This would become especially noticeable on fights such as Vashj add duty, where my pet is constantly moving from target to target.
I find on fights like Vashj where there is a lot to stay aware of, I have trouble noticing when KC is up and using the macro without messing up a rotation. Is there a way to set up my macro so that if my pet cannot use KC immediately or if my pet is out of range, it will cancel the KC?
I need an intervention here. I don't know what's happening, but the more I gear up, the worse I seem to get. Last night was a prime example, my dps fell through the floor. Wow Web Stats
Now, I know I was having issues with my rotation. Part of it was my being extremely tired, and part of it was my fighting with quartz. Sometimes the quartzbar itself would lag and not show up until halfway through a shot or cycle. I'm also trying to relearn the timing of my KC. It should go after an autoshot, right? Is there something I can macro it to so that it goes off at the right spot?
My Crit hovers around 25% raid buffed, but it looks like I only ended up with 20-21% of my shots critting. I am also really confused as to why my damage still looks sooooo low per shot. I know the MM hunter's shots will hit harder than mine, but even the other BM is averaging much higher hits on their auto/steadies.
Has anyone else ever gone through a break down of their rotations? I went on vacation for two weeks, and before that I was usually around 900-1000 dps on most fights. Now I am struggling to stay at 700. I've gone back to a cat (preemptively since scorpids are getting nerfed) - so I know that some of my dps was going to drop, but I shouldn't be this low.
Please halp! (lol) I don't wanna start sucking all of a sudden.
09/10/07, 6:04 AM
