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Praxx · 07/01/08, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Intermission

Unless the 0.5 cast time on autoshot can begin while another 0.5 second cast time is still in effect from the autoshot that is leading it.

Not saying that's the way it is, just throwing it out there.

I believe this is the case. We know it can start before the end of a steady shot so you have two auto shot cast timers overlapping when your attack speed drops below .5 sec.

Kasey · 07/01/08, 1:42 PM

So i was just wondering what do yall think would be a better trinket combo

DST + Madness

or

DST + Blackened Naaru Sliver

keep in mind i dont necesarily need the hit from madness and my ARP is around ~1100.

thanks

Space2050 · 07/01/08, 2:50 PM

How is my gear for the SSC and TK raiding levels? Currently I'm using a Wind Serpent pet, but others in my guild are worried that I'm leeching the Shaman "Stormstrike" with my pet's Lightening Breaths. If that is really happening, what would be the recommended pet change? And what would be recommended to improve my dps and overall raid effectiveness?

Sthellesta · 07/01/08, 6:42 PM

Originally Posted by Spearhawk

I'm having some problems with the AP gain from my [Void Reaver Greaves], I seem to get getting too much. They are gemmed with 24 AP, 8 Hit and 10 AP/6 Stam and have the 50 AP/12 Crit enchant, so they should have 37+50+24+10+4+88=213 AP. Yet if I equip them I gain 221 AP, where does the extra 8 AP come from?...

I have an enhancment shaman in my guild that has the same thing happen to him. He believes it is a bug in the +24 AP BOP JCing gem. I wouldn't complain about a free 8 AP though

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Gearknight · 07/01/08, 7:43 PM

Originally Posted by Sthellesta

I have an enhancment shaman in my guild that has the same thing happen to him. He believes it is a bug in the +24 AP BOP JCing gem. I wouldn't complain about a free 8 AP though

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Does the shaman in question have VR greaves? I have the greaves but don't have the JC gem (although I am a JC), and I'm getting 8 AP more than advertised too.

Spearhawk · 07/01/08, 8:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sthellesta

I have an enhancment shaman in my guild that has the same thing happen to him. He believes it is a bug in the +24 AP BOP JCing gem. I wouldn't complain about a free 8 AP though

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That seems to be correct, since I have replaced the pants I made a 24 AP gem to replace the 20 AP gem I had in my boots (yes, I know AP isn't the best, but the 20 AP one was free from quest) and my AP went up 12 instead of 4 as expected.

Now the only question is, is it just a display bug with no real gain, or do we get 8 extra AP for free?

Sthellesta · 07/01/08, 9:06 PM

Originally Posted by Gearknight

Does the shaman in question have VR greaves? I have the greaves but don't have the JC gem (although I am a JC), and I'm getting 8 AP more than advertised too.

I highly doubt it as he has T6 pants. Do you have the JCing gem in any of your pieces? Or do you just not have it socketed in at all?

Gearknight · 07/02/08, 8:17 AM

Originally Posted by Sthellesta

I highly doubt it as he has T6 pants. Do you have the JCing gem in any of your pieces? Or do you just not have it socketed in at all?

I don't have the JC gem at all, because as a survival hunter, 10 agi is better than 24 AP. In fact, even if it's bugged, 10 agi is better than 32 AP.

I just tested again, and my pants are giving the right about of AP. Maybe I had kings before and didn't realize it.

Genghiskhan · 07/02/08, 11:32 PM

I have been reading alot on the forums about hunters. Me and the guild are at the kara stage and I was told that I wasn't making enough dps. My spec 41/20/0 and my gear :

The World of Warcraft Armory

I use this macro:
#showtooltip Auto Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill command
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorFrame:Clear()

In combination with arcane shot while healing my pet. I have the aspect of the hawk and use the hunters mark all the time.

Can anyone give me some advise on improving my playing, stratagies or combinations.

Thanks

Xylene · 07/03/08, 5:45 AM

So, im curious if im using a good macro or if there is one better that i could be using.

Current Macro
#showtooltip steady shot
/castsequence reset=3 Steady shot, !Auto Shot
/castrandom [nomodifier,target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/Script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

I also use this macro for multiple things, if anyone has an alternate i could try i would be greatful
#showtooltip
/cast Bestial Wrath
/cast Rapid Fire
/use Drums of Battle
/use Bloodlust Brooch

Also ill link my armory to see if anyone has any suggestions or tips as for talents, gear isn't the greatest stopped playing for a year or so

The World of Warcraft Armory

And a WWS link. Again i'm curious if i should be higher dps, mind you the wws i still had 2 pieces of T4. I use haste pots and runes to make up the dps and mana while things are on cooldown and rapid fire when its up.

Wow Web Stats

Thanks for any help.
Xylene

Ivaldi · 07/03/08, 6:03 AM

Originally Posted by Kasey

So i was just wondering what do yall think would be a better trinket combo

DST + Madness

or

DST + Blackened Naaru Sliver

keep in mind i dont necesarily need the hit from madness and my ARP is around ~1100.

thanks

I was hoping to see an answer to this. My guild requires an "end game" list, and they've let me build it around a 3.0 speed bow, since once the legendary bow drops we'll likely have KJ on farm. With a 3.0 speed bow and DST, I plan to use the Sliver. Cheeky's hasn't modeled the proc yet, hopefully soon. It depends on your lag and playstyle of course, I decided 144 haste was about enough, which will put me at 2.00 speed or so for a good 3:2 rotation when unhasted (as rare as it will be), and as little clipping as possible while hasted.

Ivaldi · 07/03/08, 6:12 AM

Originally Posted by Genghiskhan

I have been reading alot on the forums about hunters. Me and the guild are at the kara stage and I was told that I wasn't making enough dps. My spec 41/20/0 and my gear :

The World of Warcraft Armory

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In combination with arcane shot while healing my pet. I have the aspect of the hawk and use the hunters mark all the time.

Can anyone give me some advise on improving my playing, stratagies or combinations.

Thanks

You're missing quite a bit of information from this post. Making enough DPS is relative, how much are you putting out, and how much are other people in the guild putting out. Do they build parties around you? Or throw you in the caster group. Are you going OOM? Do you have good pet management skills? Are you putting mend pet up every cooldown (not necessary)? If you have resto shamans you should let their chain heal take care of it on most fights. The biggest thing would be your macro. Are you spamming it or still weaving 1:1? What pet do you use? Is it trained max skills?

Your gemming/enchanting leaves a bit to be desired but that won't make a huge difference. Your axe is unenchanted, and that axe will last you a very long time. Your helm's meta needs to go, grind dailies and get yourself a Relentless Earthstorm diamond. Get rid of non-DPS gems (int) and gem Agi, Crit, and Agi/Stam.

He is not the end-all of hunters, but you should definitely check out BigRedKitty and look at the articles on the right hand side under hunter training. Feel free to ask more specific questions :]

Nicks · 07/03/08, 2:13 PM

So here's the WWS of brutallus last night (our guild is currently on M'uru, but tank healers were not on the ball on brut last night).

My character armory is here

NOTE: this toon is a re-roll since I lost my old hunter due to reasons i'd rather not disclose. Even with a lack of gear, the best alliance sunwell guild on my server knew I was fairly competent and let me in, so that's why my gear has ridiculous gaps in it.
NOTE2: I know i'm over-hit capped. This is because in the past day and a half i received a massive amount of gear with +hit so I haven't changed my gems yet, will do tonight.

My question: Kayva is an alt hunter that we brought in just for this fight, and while on paper he has about the same (or maybe slightly better?) stats (2139 AP and ~30% crit vs. my 2042 ap and ~29% crit), he put out alot more dps than me. This bothered me, because I figured I generally know what I'm doing. After looking at the WWS (specifically for Brut Try 10) I noticed that he fired ALOT more shots than I did in the same amount of time.

He said he uses a 1:1 /castsequence macro with handweaving depending on his haste procs. He also said he wasn't doing anything special, just using 1:1 and trying to stay hasted down.

I've been going through the WWS logs and it appears that, on average, he fires 1 steady and 1 auto every (roughly) 1.4 seconds. I fire 1 steady every 1.3-1.4 seconds, but my auto frequency is not as fast. (I'm using 3:2 /cast/cast)
If I try to use a 1:1 /castsequence macro, my shots fire about once every 2 seconds, rather than once every 1.4 seconds.

I can't figure where it's coming from. We were in the same group, and he's using the badge crossbow whereas I'm using the BBS. His pre-buff draw speed is 2.00, mine is 2.14. I'm just stumped. I always try to stay hasted by staggering drums, rapid fire, haste pots, and (if we're lucky enough to get a shaman) heroism, but I was just not shooting as fast. The only major difference I can come up with (other than the fact that he used one more rapid fire than I did) is the fact that he has a DST. Is the DST going to make up that much of a difference?

Any advice?

Mattaos · 07/03/08, 3:15 PM

I have been searching though many various threads looking for more "theroycraft" type inforamtion about Armor Pen. I have not been able to find anything solid, which leaves me to basically test out different gear configs to see what is the optimal DPS build. My confusion comes from the huge difference in DPS reflected on Cheeky's spreadsheet when comparing a high ArP/fast attack speed build vs. a lesser ArP/slower attack speed build.

My Armory Link

My armory shows me wearing my high ArP/Fast Xbow build. I have been comparing it to a build that swaps the Shiv and Mounting Veng for my Felspine polearm and swapping the Xbow for my Illidan Bow. In theroy, the Illidan Bow will hit much harder using a standard 3:2 rotation at 2.07 attack speed (81 passive haste). On the other hand, my people swear by ArP and would say that my current armory build would be best....1246 ArP and 1.99 attack speed.

When I compare these to builds in Cheeky's spreadsheet (zero buffs, just the gear) the Felspine/Illidan Bow (910 ArP) is far superior. The spreadsheet shows me 1458 DPS. When I switch out the gear for the duel-wield Shiv/Mounting Veng and Xbow, Cheeky's shows me 1378 DPS. In both cases I am using the 3:2 rotation model on the spreadsheet (1:1 rotation w/ the Xbow didn't make much of differnece) and my avg latency is 100ms.

I am wondering if my latency is low enough to get a smooth 3:2 rotation with the slower bow build if it is going to yield a larger damage number due to Steadies hitting harder....harder than the %increase from ArP.

So, frustrating when trying to plan out future gear options and even using the best possible gear avialable to me now. The fact is I could use eitehr build and still do my job in the raid effectively, but I am hoping some more hardcore data is going surface to shead some light on adding in ArP.

Help please.

Bikiniwax · 07/03/08, 3:46 PM

Nicks,

Is your pet running out of focus? I noticed that you don't have 2/2 Bestial Discipline and your pet did ~9k less damage to Brutallas than Kayva's did.