Help me please - Page 24

Intenso · 09/02/07, 2:56 AM

The best way to test these macros is the mob that can not die in Blasted lands in the area around Dreadmaul Hold. A lot of people are binding this macro on their scroll mouse button and just spam it by rolling the wheel.

My opinion is that you can do better without macros, you just have to test a lot your rotations and merge your latency/fps into them.

And i have also a question, are the buffs modifiers been calculating when you start casting a shot or when it goes off your weapon? For example, if i enable a trinket, start casting an aimed shot and before the aimed shot is fired the bonus of the trinket is expired, do i get the bonus on the shot or not?

Lactose · 09/02/07, 5:56 AM

Originally Posted by spaten

1. I do not own Excel, I will not bootleg it (sigh), and Cheeky's spreadsheet is too big to upload to Google spreadsheet (I am not terribly computer savy, so maybe there is another way to access it).

Open Office will work. And it's free.

3. My pally is good and will BoK my pet

I know this isn't your question, but I seem to remember Blessing of Might being better than Blessing of Kings (if you can only get one) for pets.

6. I realize that my current HR is high, but I believe that my current gear will only allow me to switch from 145 to 123, or thereabouts. So, I am taking the over until i get the gear to allow me to be at 139ish with better trinkets.

Unless you're using a gun there shouldn't be any need tinkering too much with your current Hit Rating (if it's at 145).
Previously we used 8.6% as the needed amount of +Hit to never miss, but newer testing has put this value at 9% instead, equivalent to 142 Hit Rating.

Originally Posted by Intenso

And i have also a question, are the buffs modifiers been calculating when you start casting a shot or when it goes off your weapon? For example, if i enable a trinket, start casting an aimed shot and before the aimed shot is fired the bonus of the trinket is expired, do i get the bonus on the shot or not?

I remember testing this with stuff like Furious Howl and similar things. I believe shot damage is calculated as you fire (cast finishes).

Asmolicious · 09/02/07, 9:26 AM

Originally Posted by Lactose

I know this isn't your question, but I seem to remember Blessing of Might being better than Blessing of Kings (if you can only get one) for pets.

This is true, might is an absolute buff while kings is proportional. Because your pet won't have massively high stat levels the benefit of kings is less than that of might.

Rhoi · 09/02/07, 10:34 AM

just wondering what an average amount of armour to add to bosses for cheeky's spreadsheet would be? It seems kinda odd to just plug in a number that makes my damage match ingame autoshots average.

is there a fixed number or is that the only way to figure it out?

Lactose · 09/02/07, 10:42 AM

This would be better suited in the spreadsheet thread.
I'm working on getting armor mitigation values for bosses, there's no other resource for this, as far as I know.

spaten · 09/02/07, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Lactose

Open Office will work. And it's free.

Unless you're using a gun there shouldn't be any need tinkering too much with your current Hit Rating (if it's at 145).
Previously we used 8.6% as the needed amount of +Hit to never miss, but newer testing has put this value at 9% instead, equivalent to 142 Hit Rating.

If for nothing else, you're a prince for Open Office. I'm working with Cheeky's spreadsheet now. It indicates that my dps should be about twice what I'm getting (same for my pet), but I'll play around and ask about that on the spreadsheet forum when the time comes.

I am using a gun, the Wolfslayer Sniper-Rifle, and I'm a dwarf.

Lactose · 09/02/07, 12:38 PM

Prince Lactose.
Remember to input armor values.

You're probably able to drop quite a bit of Hit Rating without missing. Weapon Skill and its effects on Hit is still being researched, but some reports seem to indicate having 355 Weapon Skill drops the needed +Hit to 6% instead of 9%. This would be 95 Hit Rating.
I'm sure Cheeky will correct me if the Weapon Skill numbers don't match up with what he's seen/read/heard.

Cheeky · 09/02/07, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Lactose

Prince Lactose.
Remember to input armor values.

You're probably able to drop quite a bit of Hit Rating without missing. Weapon Skill and its effects on Hit is still being researched, but some reports seem to indicate having 355 Weapon Skill drops the needed +Hit to 6% instead of 9%. This would be 95 Hit Rating.
I'm sure Cheeky will correct me if the Weapon Skill numbers don't match up with what he's seen/read/heard.

Lactose is correct, as far as I have been able to determine. Olgas is the real resource right now, and has been doing a lot of work to nail this stuff down.

I have seen plenty of anecdotal evidence to back up the new theory, and none to disprove it.

Peekaboo · 09/02/07, 1:58 PM

Does anybody have a good rule of thumb on what percent of damage a good hunter does with autoshot. And whether a bad hunter does more or less? I'd be using recount to look at this.

Zurai · 09/02/07, 2:33 PM

Originally Posted by Peekaboo

Does anybody have a good rule of thumb on what percent of damage a good hunter does with autoshot. And whether a bad hunter does more or less? I'd be using recount to look at this.

Depends on a lot of things - shot rotation being the biggest. A hunter using a 1:1.5 rotation will do signifigantly less autoshot damage than one doing a 1:1 rotation, for example. However, if a hunter is doing more than 50% of his personal damage with autoshots, something is probably wrong.

Lactose · 09/02/07, 2:42 PM

I think a easier check would be seeing amount of specials compared to amount of Auto Shots.
BM Hunters usually opt for a 1:1 ratio, while Marksman/Survival opt for a 1.5:1 ratio.
Other than that, look for Serpent Sting and Aimed Shot. Use of these usually show a lack of understanding of which specials to use.
Aspect of the Viper = bad
Only Steady Shots = bad (most of the time)

Phase · 09/02/07, 3:54 PM

Hi, I am currently the guilds vival hunter for EW. I was just wondering what the best build is for doing this while maintaining good personal DPS. My current build is 0/28/33 because i am not sure if MT is worth the 5 points or not. My armory profile is:

The Armory

Thank you for your time.

Dyaus · 09/02/07, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by Phase

Hi, I am currently the guilds vival hunter for EW. I was just wondering what the best build is for doing this while maintaining good personal DPS. My current build is 0/28/33 because i am not sure if MT is worth the 5 points or not.

I'm 7/21/33 and I'm very happy with it. However, I go against the generally accepted view of Survival DPS.

Most people seem to think that random haste procs are bad, and you should use a 1.5:1 shot rotation. I have Imp. Hawk and a Dragonspine Trophy, so I'm hasted a good chunk of the time, and I stick with 1:1. I keep up with the BM Hunters without potting like mad.

Chevet · 09/02/07, 11:57 PM

Hi all,

I'm trying to accelerate (almost twink) the gearing up of my BM hunter. Am working on some craftable items and other rep upgrades that Fimbo and others in this thread have suggested for nub 70's. Thanks guys.

My question is about Don Santos' Famous Hunting Rifle. I have the gold to buy it if it pops up on the AH. Would you buy it now if you were me? Currently using the blue Valanos' Longbow.

In favour:
Instant awesome upgrade, the damage/speed/proc seems well regarded here
Achievable bullets have greater damage than arrows - I'm an Engi so can craft ammo too
The Prince just doesn't seem to want to give up his bow - trying for it every week
The arena crossbow would be painful to grind for given my entry-level gear - I'd die a *lot* and much prefer PvE as I'm crap at PvP

Against:
The upcoming expansion may mean maybe some green or blue weapon might replace it soonish
It's a gun - annoying sound & bows just seem to suit Orcs better
Lots of gold (~2500?) that could be used for twinking other slots - i.e. craftable armour

There are probably other factors I'm not aware of. What would you guys do?

smoogle · 09/03/07, 12:13 AM

wolf slayer sniper rifle is prety good