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JuhnorX · 09/25/07, 9:49 AM

A specific haste and proc question.

41/20 BM.
3.0 Speed bow. (Vasjh Bow)
2.17 Speed (15% quiver and Serpents Swiftness)

What is the fastest I can (theoretically) maintain steady/auto/KC rotation?

I have seen attack speed getting to 1.2-1.4 at times when DST procs with IAotH and am starting to wonder if this is a viable if i use steady/KC/auto macro. Or, should i let autoshot do it's thing ? Also if you add Bloodlust to the aquasion ? :P

I am curious if i am losing dps rather than gaining by trying to maintain my normal shot rotation through this haste.

Anyone can crunch approx numbers to find ideally the lowest possible speed to keep my rotation? Apologies but i'm really not a numbers whizz.

Many thanks.

Never mind, think i can almost work it out from your previous hard work in these threads.

Cheeky · 09/25/07, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by JuhnorX

A specific haste and proc question.

41/20 BM.
3.0 Speed bow. (Vasjh Bow)
2.17 Speed (15% quiver and Serpents Swiftness)

What is the fastest I can (theoretically) maintain steady/auto/KC rotation?

I have seen attack speed getting to 1.2-1.4 at times when DST procs with IAotH and am starting to wonder if this is a viable if i use steady/KC/auto macro. Or, should i let autoshot do it's thing ? Also if you add Bloodlust to the aquasion ? :P

I am curious if i am losing dps rather than gaining by trying to maintain my normal shot rotation through this haste.

Anyone can crunch approx numbers to find ideally the lowest possible speed to keep my rotation? Apologies but i'm really not a numbers whizz.

Many thanks.

Never mind, think i can almost work it out from your previous hard work in these threads.

You could also use the Shot Rotation building tools in the Hunter Spreadsheet. It allows for you to play with rotations unhasted, with Quick Shots, with DST, and with both up. All the timing information and DPS calculations should be accurate. It will also compute mana usage, factor in latency, etc.

skodder · 09/26/07, 9:27 AM

A real Wow-forums question, but since my cat has followed me from Barrens to SSC I really havnt got a clue.

Anyone have an idea how Pet-Loyalty works?

Ive just picked up the lvl 70 ravager and would like to know if theres anyway to speed up the loyalty gaining process? Except the obvious keeping it happy and grinding with it.

Any tips are welcome

Klauso · 09/26/07, 9:44 AM

In the BM thread someone did a comparison of loyalty gained to pet XP and there was a correlation. I can't find it at the moment but basically you need to keep your pet happy and then kill mobs that give experience. 5 Mans are the quickest way I have found as I too tamed a ravanger last night.

Gjorn · 09/26/07, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by skodder

A real Wow-forums question, but since my cat has followed me from Barrens to SSC I really havnt got a clue.

Anyone have an idea how Pet-Loyalty works?

Ive just picked up the lvl 70 ravager and would like to know if theres anyway to speed up the loyalty gaining process? Except the obvious keeping it happy and grinding with it.

Any tips are welcome

Check the following links.

Time requirements for Hunter pet loyalty gain - WOW Insider

The hidden formula behind pet loyalty - WOW Insider

Kaladian · 09/26/07, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Chulainn of Dalaran

Althir, You can model this on Cheeky's excellent spreadsheet (see the Hunter Spreadsheet's tab)

Don Santos' rifle on a dwarf means you don't need to use itemization points on +hit gear to hit the cap (your +5 skill allows you to get the hit cap at a lower level) - I'd use Cheeky's sheet to determine the optimum level for hit (I don't trust my addled brain with quoting the number)

The secondary benefit of Don on a Beast Master is the typical hasted state of 63% at 0.2 latency (i.e. Quick Shots, Serpent Swiftness, and Quiver bonuses) gets the auto shot cycle and the steady (or special) shot cycle to alloy quite well with each other. You are tuned to avoid clipping autoshots and waiting excessively to shoot your next special.

When you get DST and other passive haste items, slower base speed weapons start to look better.... but I find it best for people to do this analysis themselves using Cheeky's rather than reading about it on the forum.

Chu.

When using Cheeky's spreadsheet you see a nice DPS jump going from Sunfury to Ds rifle but in raid setting i dont find it better then Sunfury. Yes on tank/spank bosses it is better like the P1 for lady Vashj, i have broke the 1200 DPS during P1 using the rifle but then fall off to the 800 range on adds and bat duty because you arent getting the benefits of the faster shots having to move around alot. To me there isnt alot fo tank/spank bosses left anymore to make DS rifle worth the gold.

Althir · 09/26/07, 1:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kaladian

When using Cheeky's spreadsheet you see a nice DPS jump going from Sunfury to Ds rifle but in raid setting i dont find it better then Sunfury. Yes on tank/spank bosses it is better like the P1 for lady Vashj, i have broke the 1200 DPS during P1 using the rifle but then fall off to the 800 range on adds and bat duty because you arent getting the benefits of the faster shots having to move around alot. To me there isnt alot fo tank/spank bosses left anymore to make DS rifle worth the gold.

If DS also gave you roughly +50 hit rating, would you still feel that way?

Doko · 09/26/07, 7:26 PM

Originally Posted by Osse

Scenario:

-Pvp with people using above 400 resilience
-Me with 28.36% crit and 2091 ap (with hawk)

Question:

Does 5/5 mortal shots + 1/5 RWS still outperform 1/5 mortal shots + 5/5 RWS in terms of total damage?

No, RWS is slightly better (less than 1% difference). Also, I think Khorium scope might be better than the crit one with that much resilience but I'm not exactly sure how the 12 damage is applied, whether it works for all specials etc. so I'm not too sure about that.

Xenoborg · 09/26/07, 8:09 PM

Did the scorpid nerf not happen? Its not listen in the patch notes.

Hunterlin · 09/27/07, 7:48 AM

Time for me post in "help me".
From 2.2 patch notes:

Volley: This spell is now affected by area damage caps. Its bonus damage coefficients have also been increased. It also correctly consumes charges of Misdirection.

I had thought that volley just does base damage after benefit from spelldamage gear was removed. Is scaling from AP added in 2.2 ?
Sorry, can't test myself as I am in work trip for week.

Trohck · 09/27/07, 8:47 AM

Originally Posted by Xenoborg

Did the scorpid nerf not happen? Its not listen in the patch notes.

It happened, my rough estimate is that Scorpid Poison (rank 4) does about 25% of the damage it used to.

Ladwenae · 09/27/07, 9:21 AM

Originally Posted by Trohck

It happened, my rough estimate is that Scorpid Poison (rank 4) does about 25% of the damage it used to.

Yeah, scorpid is definately back to being a pvp pet only now.

Zenge · 09/27/07, 4:55 PM

I am not sure about the damage reduction of the scorpid poision but i do have a screen shot of my scorpid doing 1200 TPS(yes threat per second) on Morogrim last night.

I posted this in the discussions on 2.2 changes but figured it would mean more here. Every single trash pull in SSC I used him on he would pull agro off a MD'd tank after about 30% of the mobs life and die. On Morogrim I held him back till 70% he still pulled agro and died. I took this as their solution instead of nerfing the damage they just massively increase the threat.

Klauso · 09/27/07, 4:57 PM

Might be time to dust off cower again. I will be bringing my scorpid to Mag this week to see if my ticks have dropped.

Shandara · 09/27/07, 6:43 PM

Did some testing outside Shattrah and a 5-stack of rank 4 poison did 105 damage, with BW/trinket popped. Needless to say, I wasn't impressed

• vank · 09/27/07, 7:50 PM

I feel like a putz for not knowing this but... does expose weakness use your total buffed agility for the AP bonus, or your base agility?

Lactose · 09/27/07, 8:18 PM

Total buffed.

Xenoborg · 09/27/07, 8:41 PM

I have heard about certain ravagers retaining some of thier pre-tamed abilities, anyone know anything about this?

Mcblane · 09/27/07, 11:02 PM

Basically I'm wondering if the talon of al'ar is great, terrible, situationally great, etc.
I'm a 7/21/33 survival Hunter so my basic shot rotation is auto-steady-arcane-auto-steady-multi-auto-steady-auto-steady repeat. 2 trinkets I'm using currently are Bladefist's breadth and tsunami talisman. i've been considering the talon > BB. It seems like it could be worth it for multitarget trash at least but I was hoping some1 had run the numbers already.

Cheeky · 09/27/07, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mcblane

Basically I'm wondering if the talon of al'ar is great, terrible, situationally great, etc.
I'm a 7/21/33 survival Hunter so my basic shot rotation is auto-steady-arcane-auto-steady-multi-auto-steady-auto-steady repeat. 2 trinkets I'm using currently are Bladefist's breadth and tsunami talisman. i've been considering the talon > BB. It seems like it could be worth it for multitarget trash at least but I was hoping some1 had run the numbers already.

It's pretty bad. You are looking at +40 damage (pre-modifier) to, at most, 3 shots. So that's +120 damage over 6 seconds - 20 DPS. With a 2.8s weapon the "averaged out" [Bloodlust Brooch] gives you + 23.7 damage (pre-modifier) to those 3 (if Steady/Multi), plus at least 2 Auto Shots (3 if BM) for 130 (MM - 10% more AP, 5 shots) or 142 (BM, 6 shots). After factoring in all the modifiers the differences grow.

So the class-specific trinket is much worse, in practice, than the Heroic Badge one. The only way to make this trinket worth it's spot in progression is to extend the effect to Autoshot or push the bonus to +60 damage.

Lumi · 09/28/07, 10:05 AM

Don't know where to ask this, but did anyone notice Illidan Phase 3 Demon Form not nuking your pet?

Hink · 09/28/07, 10:34 AM

I just picked up enchanting the other day and started leveling it, and I ran across the Minor Haste on Gloves enchant. The tooltip said it would give a 1% attack speed increase, and that looked pretty good for a low level enchant. Popped the enchant on my gloves in Cheeky's spreadsheet, and it showed it was actually better than the Assault or 15 Agility enchants in terms of DPS.

I was wondering if anybody used this enchant with good results, and if it's worth getting basically (I'm a BM hunter now). The sad bit is that although the enchant tooltip advertises a 1% speed increase, the enchant itself awards 10 haste rating. This was fine before 2.2, but the numbers remained the same after the patch. I made a bug report via the forums suggesting that the thing should get buffed to 15 haste rating, or at least the tooltip modified, and I got a blue answer saying I'm right about the bug and they will be looking into it.

So, assuming it will get buffed to the right haste rating, is it worth the trouble?

grizz · 09/28/07, 2:17 PM

Ignore this post. It has substance at one point, but have since answered my own questions.

Sorry for the useless post. Understand the warning if it comes.

Cranch · 09/28/07, 7:22 PM

Originally Posted by Hink

So, assuming it will get buffed to the right haste rating [which will be 10], is it worth the trouble?

For my gear and a BM build, the spreadsheet math says no (15 agi is going to beat 10 haste rating, and even 15 haste rating.) (Note -- Cheeky's sheet has dropped the haste rating value from 0.841 dps per haste rating for me to 0.286 in v29, which seems very wrong. I'll update to v31 and double check the figures after my raid tonight.)

wolfclaw · 09/29/07, 9:30 AM

i tend to keep an eye on the all of the hunter threads. i have a question concerning Ashtongue Talisman of Swiftness...basically is it worth using with my spec and current gear.

i'm survival 0/25/36, 901 agility,2250ap(with hawk) 6.85%hit(+2%from talents) 36.78%crit(with ashtongue in a slot) unbuffed

is this trinket really purely a bm hunters trinket or with my sort of gear can i afford to use it and forget my bladefist's breath once and for all.