I'll have to flame a fellow hunter hard for sucking at not killing his demon then.

I thought that the demon focused on you even if your pet had growl up now.

It does, but once it closes to melee range I go back to DPSing Leo the Demon and let my pet finish off the last 10-15% life on the Inner Demon. I find it better than wasting time meleeing, running, or anything else.

As of right now, im the generic spec 41\20 BM build. I have been using a cat for quite some time now, but after reading through the many forum threads here, i went out and got a wind serpent. I got the macro to cast lightbreath and what not, but i was wondering if i should still be using bite to go along with lightning breath? Or if using bite would just be a waist of focus? I searched the forum for some good research, but my work computer does block a few things. If anyone has a complete " how to " for wind serpents, could they please post it.

I was also wondering if the pet being labled a caster still effects the pets health and what not.

Bite.

Caster pets: I believe this is still an issue, resulting in pets with lowered health points and things like that. Avoid if possible.

my question is now, is wolfslayer worth ggetting a +28 crit scope for? I read that its hte best ranged weapon for BM until hyjal? Is this true? Or do sunfury and vashj bow compare?


Also, if im beast, how does my shot rotation change if i have dragon spine trophy, and it procs at the same time as quick shots? >.>

I use Barrel-Blade Longrifle, and in all honesty I would have trouble swapping it out for even Bristleblitz Striker or Black Bow of the Betrayer (which are side-grades imo...but might save me on ammo costs). I can't tell you how many times I passed on the Serpentspine Bow to get a bunch of tells from guild-mates. This is probably one of the most asked questions, but the reality is that speed actually is that important. Hopefully Blizzard will understand this before Sunwell and will stop making nearly every ranged weapon have a 3.0 speed.

Hello,
After looking through the posts on the hunter forum. I have some questions that still need answering. For example, I would like to know how to prioritize my gear. I know hit is a big deal and I make that come first. When it comes to attack power and crit I can't decide which I want. My goal for gear right now is to get 8.6%hit 2200AP and 28% crit, is the hunter Tier gear designed against me reaching these stats easily? I know that the crit is kinda low but I don't see any reason to get it any higher cause with raid buffs I will crit every 3 shots. Anyone know how much crit I would need to be almost guaranteed or to frequently get crits every 2 shots? The threat generation on this may also be very high and I was wondering how practical that would be to begin with. So if you have any advice/math for me it would be greatly appreciated.

First, use the spreadsheet to figure out what gives the biggest DPS increase. It even gives a table that compares each stat against each stat form a dps gain perspective.

To crit every other shot why wouldnt you need 50% crit? Raid buffed I have 48% in a combination of T5 / other epics I used the spreadsheet to map out.

You can FD every 30 seconds, I cant think of any fights where you should have an issue. Even on somehting like Hydross just tab between Hydross and the adds for the first 10 seconds of each round, the swap to Hydross and dps until you catch the MT, FD, and go to town until the switch.

I asked this general question a few pages back, and never received a reply. I'm running 4/5 D3 in Karazhan (casual, slow progressing guild), and certainly see what I consider very nice DPS for a set which drops entirely in non-heroics. I can certainly tell you that the result of my putzing around with Cheeky's spreadsheet agree with your general conclusion. However, a couple notes:

* Even if the DPS turns out to be a wash with 4/5 D3 versus T4, keep in mind that T4 will have additional stats such as stam and int, which can boost your survivability and longevity. Remember that a dead hunter does 0 DPS, and an OOM hunter does... well, not zero, but switching to AotV is a significant nerf.

* The value of the armor penetration will depend on the actual boss armor value. Determining the actual boss armor values is the subject of ongoing work; check out the Boss armor values thread for details. Also, the value of that D3 set bonus will change based on your Exploited Weakness uptime, which is a function of your crit rate and the rate at which you "actually" manage to trigger Kill Command. The calculation is similar to predicting Expose Weakness uptime for a Survival hunter. But if your pet goes bye-bye, for example, you can't hit KC, so no more set bonus. Hope you've got Imp Rez Pet.

I haven't had a chance to do actual testing, mainly since I'm too lazy to set up a Dr. Boom alternative that will allow me to use my pet. (Also, I only have one piece of T4; I'd be testing against non-set Kara loot. When (if) we next go back into Kara, perhaps I'll wear my "best alternate" set to compare DPS on Attumen or something.) However, as the introduction of armor penetration to more pieces of loot takes off, you can expect to see the theorycrafting solidify on this point.

Also, I'm surprised you didn't mention the biggest benefit of hunter D3:

You look like you're wearing Magneto's helmet.

That's strange, in my guild we've always experienced a bug where you get mind controlled if your pet gets killing blow on the demon. Is that just a bogus excuse for people who can't hit their wing clip-buttons?

I currently have wolf slayer and i was looking on my spreadsheet for my gear and all and it shows that wolf slayer has higher dps then black bow sunfury and abunch of other technically higher dps bows then it, except for don santos is higher total dps

my question is i read that don santos is great with the proc and that wolf slayer is really good for bm but can a gun be that good with bm that other weapons 1 and 2 tiers above it arnt better? or is their something wrong

also i figured the prince bow or gladiator would be better due to latency and wolf slayer being almost a perfect 1:1 match and sometimes when aspect of hawk procs or blood lust it makes it hard to use rotation, and definitly almost impossible with rapid fire? so would rapid fire and a slower bow bring more dps? my guess now is that when i used my same spec wolf slayer is 1:1 shot rotation where as im sure the ones that are a little slower have a bit of a downtime contributing to the lower dps, but i guess that downtime completely outweighs the increase in dmg and stats?

I was checking out the new arena weapons for season 3 and will be buying one when they come out to raid with. I was gong to get the gun, being as I am a dwarf and the 1% crit bonus was appealing, but the damage range on the bow confused me a bit.

The bow only has 1 damage range (279-280) where as the gun has a damage range of 113 (223-336). Would this make the bow better DPS as it's more consistant or would the damage range on the gun average out over a fight to equal the same as the bow and the 1% crit bonus make the gun better?


Edit: Also another thing I was wondering about. Will the changes to stop casting effect steadyshot? If so does that mean I can change the latency in DPS spreadsheet to 0 or is it not that simple? (I am BM so I only use Auto and Steady + KC)

As far as I know, it should affect shot macros. However, the new system isn't exactly perfect if your latency is especially jittery.

hey, so im using the basic steady shot auto shot kill command macro.



i was wondering, does this macro mess up your auto shot or delay it in any way? Like if i were to just spam steady/auto with kill command worked into the macro, it doesnt delay my auto shot at all does it? Also i was wondering if this works for my shot rotation. I am bm spec, and using wolf slayer, i understand the concept of a 1:1 shot rotation....was wondering if i implimented it correctly though

auto,multi,auto,steady,auto,arcane,auto,steady?

or do i have it completely wrong. ALso for the people who are reporting me for grammar, please cut me some slack. I am deaf, and english is my second language. ASL is NOT english, our word order is completely different. Im trying here. So please, everypost i have made has been modded for grammar. I know its not perfect but im trying.

Neither ASL nor being deaf have anything to do with your refusal to capitalize "I" and the first sentence of a paragraph. It might seem picky or anal to some people, but it makes for a cleaner and nicer forums which is something of a rarity nowadays. Subsequently, neither will excuse you from receiving future grammar infractions. We're equal opportunity around here.

Sorry to derail your thread, folks. Carry on.

thanks lactose for clearing up my uncertainties. How in 2.3 will this change? Also, I noticed that every stat in wow has a diminishing return. Like AP starts to be worth less than crit at certain rates, and visa versa. I have noted that according to cheeky's spreadsheet hit seems to have a diminishing return point as well. Its been noted that reaching the hit cap should be of the utmost priority, but i was wondering if cheeky's spreadsheet says that losing hit for ap/crit would increase my DPS by 6 in 1 gear slot, would it be worth doing?

and sorta off topic but Kaubel, Having ASL and being deaf sorta has everything to do with Captalizing I, and the first sentance in a paragraph. There are no sentences in ASL, neither are their capitalization. I am trying as hard as i can to stay gramatical and your post is VERY offensive. I'm tired of hearing people forcing me to assimilate into their culture. Edited out this part becuase I am not sure of the correct way to say it =(. Either way I am sorry if my posts are so unintelligible, but you have to understand close to 60% of the deaf population doesn't learn English ever. If instead of just being marked people could point out some of the mistakes I make it would be fantastic. You don't learn complex grammar at deaf school, you dont learn in depth semantics or syntactical rules. We get taught a variation of english called Pidgin. It basically helps bridge ASL to English. So we learn a very informal slangish version of English. So yah, help here would be much appreciated as it would be a fantastic way for me to learn.



EDIT'D AGAIN:::: When I do get all of these haste procs like for example last night on vashj I pressed rapid fire, and the shot AFTER rapid fire procced Imp aspect of the hawk. I am also beast mastery. I use Wolf slayer sniper rifle. With that amount of haste, is it even worth it to use steady shot? Or should i just use auto/arcane/multi until one of the haste effects wears off. Is there a speed in which the cast time of steady/auto are shorter than the GCD or does it always scale completely? Sorry for the barrage of questions i just found this website and I have read through probably about 30 pages and find it fascinating how little of the hunter class i actually knew. I mean I am pulling ~950 DPS in most fights without any SSC loot, so i feel like I am doing pretty well, but this seems like such a great place to better my play =D.

Not to derail this thread any further, but:

a) ASL is basically a completely different language. It is more akin to symbolic languages like Chinese than to Roman-based phonetic languages like English (hand gesture = full symbolic character, rather than hand gesture = the letter "b"). So to those of you sending out infractions, in this case it does help to understand that the person is basically learning English as a second language.

b) I'm deaf (I basically have one ear), but I do not know sign language. And honestly, it bugs the %@)(*$ out of me when I see deaf people who REFUSE to even learn how to read/write English out of some malformed principle in the deaf culture, even if they were born in the U.S. and have lived here their entire lives. So if someone is taking the time to participate in discussions with those of us who are not part of their subculture, many of whom within that subculture attach a significant stigma to learning and utilizing "hearing-based" forms of communication, I would hope that we would encourage that type of participation. So yeah, instead of sending him infractions maybe just send him a PM and tell him how to fix his post?

c) Valir, to answer your question, most BM hunters do not stack haste effects precisely because of what you mentioned - after a certain point it doesn't help your DPS because you are no longer able to use Steady Shot without delaying your next Auto Shot. And, if you try to STOP using Stead Shot during those times, it may actually drop your DPS because the number of Auto Shots during that time might not compensate for the damage done by Steadies in their place. However, permanent haste effect on gear, or semi-permanent haste effects like IAotH, are better for BM because they push slower weapons closer to "perfect" 2.7 base attack speed.

You should check the Class Mechanics Archives and read all the hunter threads there - they have a lot of information buried in them that will answer a lot of your questions.

Yah, I have read those mechanics. I know that wolf slayer is the best speed for Bm hunters, and I think I understand most mechanics. But i know Imp aspect of the hawk is in every bm raid build. I dont really think there is a point to not using rapid fire on every cooldown (am I wrong here?). But my question is basically what do i do during that wierd period where imp hawk procs as i use rapid fire? IT happens alot =(

Well, my take on this would be to simply avoid AoTH proccing during rapid fire in the first place.
I don't really have that problem, since I'm using a 1:1.5 rotation and a slower weapon, but if you have trouble, you can always try switching to viper for the duration of Rapid Fire.

Here here, please do not try to penalize people who are generally asking for some infomation and their only fault is English not being their native language or they have a disablity.