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ignazio10490 · 10/28/07, 12:30 AM

Hey guys, right now I am currently a BM hunter 41/20 with decent gear and thus far I have no complaints. I am usually 1 on the gruul, ssc/tk runs in my guild. The only thing is, I want to try out survival or even marksman.

A link to my armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

Will I be able to spec surv or mark and be viable in raids? What should i do to improve my stats if I were to spec survival or marksman(gems/enchants)

Grogzor · 10/28/07, 12:38 AM

Well, I would check out the thread on survival hunters before going that route.

Also to point out the obvious, +8 agi gems > +16 AP gems in pretty much every application.

28 Crit Rating Scope > +12 damage.

Hourglass of the Unraveller is better then Bladefist's Breadth and its easy to get as well. And lastly, your hit rating is super low, even if you plan on going Survival.

Gank · 10/28/07, 8:36 AM

Originally Posted by ignazio10490

Hey guys, right now I am currently a BM hunter 41/20 with decent gear and thus far I have no complaints. I am usually 1 on the gruul, ssc/tk runs in my guild. The only thing is, I want to try out survival or even marksman.

A link to my armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

Will I be able to spec surv or mark and be viable in raids? What should i do to improve my stats if I were to spec survival or marksman(gems/enchants)

As the poster above said you definetly need to up your hit rating. 142 is the cap if you don't have surefooted and 95/96 is the cap if you have it.

Carlaena · 10/28/07, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by ignazio10490

Hey guys, right now I am currently a BM hunter 41/20 with decent gear and thus far I have no complaints. I am usually 1 on the gruul, ssc/tk runs in my guild. The only thing is, I want to try out survival or even marksman.

A link to my armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

Will I be able to spec surv or mark and be viable in raids? What should i do to improve my stats if I were to spec survival or marksman(gems/enchants)

Most obvious upgrades are t5 belt instead of the PVP one. Both of your trinkets are fairly weak. Bloodlust Brooch and Hourglass would be large upgrades. Try and get a Vengeance Wrap instead of the PVP cape. T4 helm with the crit meta would be a very large upgrade for you also.

To spec SV you really need to stack agility at every opportunity, meaning cramming your gear with agil gems holding high preference for agil heavy gears. A SV hunter is essentially a EW bot for the raid, so the priority is to exchange personal damage for raid damage.

Crit scope on your bow wouldn't hurt either. Consult Lurker or, preferably, Attumen for a neck upgrade. Oh, and replace that blue ring with the exalted Violet Eye one.

Enova · 10/28/07, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Carlaena

Try and get a Vengeance Wrap instead of the PVP cape.

I'd say get a [Blood Knight War Cloak] or [Drape of the Dark Reavers] instead, if you're going survival. In fact, both of them are better than [Vengeance Wrap]for PVE hunters, regardless of spec. Basically, everywhere else, look for Agility and soket most of the things with [Delicate Living Ruby]. Any tier helm with a meta socket works, if you can meet the [Relentless Earthstorm Diamond] gemming requirements.

Gijfegox · 10/28/07, 10:40 AM

I am a dragonscale leatherworker, but before i start crafting any items, i was wondering if anyone could tell me which items would actually be upgrades to craft (The alternative being blues/Heroics/badges).
My personal guess would be full Ebon netherscale set and Vengenance Wrap. Am i wrong?

Edit: I'm BM.
Edit2: I'll get the badges cloak instead of Vengenance Wrap

Midnight · 10/28/07, 5:47 PM

Because I keep having arguments about the necessity of blessing of salvation for hunters I´d like to hear your opinions on this topic.

In my opinion for most bosses - especially those that take a bit longer and don´t have any aggro reset - it´s not necessary for hunters to get salvation over kings, might or wisdom. Beeing a bit careful in the beginning, watching omen closely and making good use of feign death will be sufficiant. The only real advantage salvation offers in these cases is beeing able to go full out even in the first 30-60 seconds.
Even worse, I´ve got the impression that giving salvation everytime even if there´re only 1 or 2 paladins in our raid tends to dull our senses for aggro and makes us watching less for our threat because usually you just don´t have to.

Assuming you had 3 paladins, which blessings would you take for example for the council, archimonde or gorefiend? Am I really taking unnecessary risks or should I try to convince them to just use feign death more often?

aadric · 10/28/07, 6:35 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

Not just the viper sting draining, but a scorpid attacks fast enough to seriously annoy healers and they deal enough damage that over time they can wear down a healer all by himself. I've had my scorpid solo paladins before, forcing them to heal themselves.

I'm working my scorpion up for arena and was wondering how other Hunters spec their pets. Is 2/2 GftT in arena enough to keep the poison up while also using claw? Or do you go for more defensive talents like Shadow Resistance? If I don't get claw can I forget about GftT altogether and get more Imp Arcane Shot?

intressepil · 10/28/07, 9:24 PM

Originally Posted by Midnight

Assuming you had 3 paladins, which blessings would you take for example for the council, archimonde or gorefiend? Am I really taking unnecessary risks or should I try to convince them to just use feign death more often?

My guild is currently at Kael'thas having killed Vashj, so I can't really say anything about those fights. What I do know is that on no boss I've so far fought I've found Blessing of Salvation very needed at all. Just like you say, watch your aggro carefully and utilise Feign Death when you reach tank threat. The only fight so far where I actually prioritise it over Blessing of Wisdom would be Leotheras. At least my pick order is Might > Kings > Wisdom > Salvation, generally speaking as a BM hunter.

Morgy · 10/28/07, 11:21 PM

I usually try and argue with my paladins if theres only 3 of them for wisdom instead of salvation

In our raid we take our blessings as such :

Kings > Might > Wisdom > Salvation

Kings buffs everything (Hp,Mp,ap,crit.etc.), and the ap loss is compensated by my agi gain and hence a stronger EW.

But I do like to have a salvation blessing if I can, because i climb the aggro ladder very fast, generating 2000 TPS every so often when Chain critting (Dmg, Leader of the pack heal, pet heal (t5 bonus) )

However if you do decide to go without salvation don't fd on reaching warriors aggro, FD as soon as your timer is up (after a couple minutes you can slow down the FD pace), you never know when your gonna get hit by a resist and hence have to sit and do nothing (you can't even drink

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Lindelle · 10/29/07, 12:50 AM

I'd definitly say BoK > BoM > BoW > BoSalv, in a 25 man.

The fights I have issues with and would benefit from Salv are Hydross and Leo currently, where our tanks slack quiet a bit in building aggro. I've had issues on Leo where I've waited several seconds for the tanks to build up aggro after a WW and a single Auto crit pulls him right off them with FD down. In terms of Hydross, I always MD to the NR tank, then unload and FD when I get close to him, which is typically within the first ten seconds. I blow my FD then and if I try to maintain my 1:1.5, even just with AotW, I still get painfully close to him and have to drop down to just Auto or even stop attacking because FD is not up yet.

I would definitly say that currently, the value of Salv for hunters is situational; depending both on the tank's ability to build threat and the manner in which threat works on the given encounter. However, I can't comment on the fights you're asking about.

In terms of the badge cloak or Drape of the Dark Reavers vs Vengeance Wrap, while I haven't run it on the spreadsheet, I personally have found that my DPS has increased using Vengeance over the badge cloak. It also gives me a little bit more room to play with item slots to max my hit for boss fights. (I most likely did not log off in my hit set.)

Osse · 10/29/07, 2:10 AM

Hunters never need salvation, it's just a matter of luck with FD resists that dont show up on your UI error or Omen.

Cranch · 10/29/07, 2:37 AM

Edit: Redacted.

Plex · 10/29/07, 2:52 AM

I wondering if the great community here at EJ could help me out some. I just switched over to survival. I'm starting my first raid tommrow in SSC with this spec. I have a few questions for you guys .

First is fully buffed with a shammy in my group my agility is 1070ish+ If 25% of that is 265-270 attack power bonus and added improved hunters mark 110 , how much dps would that help range and melee? Maybe 100 to 150 overall dps?

My second question is IAoTH worth picking up? atm I'm 0-20-41 and there is only me and other hunter in the raid. I guess an extra MD for the tank would help?

• Intermission · 10/29/07, 2:55 AM

We rarely have 4 paladins, often 2 or 3.

I'll try to make a little table to explain what we would use on some BT/Hyjal bosses:

Boss -------- 2 pally ---- 3 pally

HWL Naj --- K/M ---- K/M/W
Teron ------ K/M ---- K/M/W
Bloodboil --- K/M ---- K/M/W
Souls ------ K/S ---- K/M/S
Mother ---- K/M ---- K/M/W
Council ----- K/M ---- K/M/W (if we had better pallies we'd just change S to W after 3 mins... after around 4 or 5 FDs on Council you'll probably get a non-resist)
Illidan ----- K/S --- K/M/S (our feral tank on first flame has pretty terrible threat, lack of hit in FR im guessing. Salv also helps from p3 onwards.)

Archi ---- K/M --- K/M/W (I think it would have to be impossible for a hunter to pull aggro on this fight after 1 minute, regardless of FD resists/fails).

Zedd · 10/29/07, 5:13 AM

I never ever take Salvation, I did not see t6 level yet (KT 24%) but I did not need it yet.

With shadowpriest:
BoK>BoM>BoW
Without Shadowpriest:
BoK>BoW>BoM

Is my preferred choice

Andral · 10/29/07, 6:06 AM

Hi there fellow Hunters.

I am a BM specced hunter using the castsequence macro.
I tweaked the macro slightly so it always uses my trinkets whenever they are up.
I use a Piggy (was the first pet i ever tamed and i still love him) with Bite/gore/Charge

This is the macro i use :

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/userandom 13, 14
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()

The thing that happens (and its either charge or kill command) is that when we are fighting trash and there are sheeps and the mob i am fighting dies, my pet will sometimes, while traveling to the next mob break a sheep on its way.
It will pass the sheep hitting it once and then continue towards the mob i had targeted and sent him to. This always results in a lot of bickering from the mages.

is there anyway i can alter the macro so that KC can ONLY be used on the mob i am currently targeting ?

Thanks a lot in advance !

Mogre · 10/29/07, 6:25 AM

Originally Posted by Andral

Hi there fellow Hunters.

I am a BM specced hunter using the castsequence macro.
I tweaked the macro slightly so it always uses my trinkets whenever they are up.
I use a Piggy (was the first pet i ever tamed and i still love him) with Bite/gore/Charge

This is the macro i use :

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/userandom 13, 14
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()

The thing that happens (and its either charge or kill command) is that when we are fighting trash and there are sheeps and the mob i am fighting dies, my pet will sometimes, while traveling to the next mob break a sheep on its way.
It will pass the sheep hitting it once and then continue towards the mob i had targeted and sent him to. This always results in a lot of bickering from the mages.

is there anyway i can alter the macro so that KC can ONLY be used on the mob i am currently targeting ?

Thanks a lot in advance !

It's charge that's causing this. Well, it's charge on autocast that causes this. I've found that leaving charge on autocast has my pig use charge on secondary targets that are in range of the ability, regardless of whether or not those secondary targets are being CC'd.

Take charge off of autocast and this problem will stop.

Andral · 10/29/07, 6:32 AM

I will certainly give that a shot.
Thanks m8 !

Lumi · 10/29/07, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Osse

Hunters never need salvation, it's just a matter of luck with FD resists that dont show up on your UI error or Omen.

If you are not kiting/pulling a mob, Salv is extremely useful in Hyjal over wisdom till the boss spawns.

Has anyone on PTR tried out the spell queue? I've always had strange bugs with stop casting, and I was wondering if the new system allows for smoother 1.5 weaves.

Semiramis · 10/29/07, 12:14 PM

Dear fellow hunters,

I followed these extremely helpful discussions since a long time and I am very grateful for all of these hints I received in this forum. I am also using the spreadsheet to find how to improve my lovely n811 huntress,

I used WWS stats for some runs in the last two weeks and I was disappointed from my dps. Here are two examples, one from a heroic run and one from Karazhan:

Semiramis - WWS
Wow Web Stats

My dps is around 700 which seems pretty low to me. I am using the steady/auto/kill command macro which works fine for me. I am also using mana pods and agility pods. My pet is out the whole time and in fight.

I am concentrating on agility as enchantments. My equipment is mostly epics from Karazhan and heroic runs/badges. We just start running Gruul.

My armory link: The World of Warcraft Armory

What am I doing wrong? I saw many other hunters are doing approximately 1000dps in Karazhan. I am far away from these numbers.

Semiramis

Edit: Added armory link.

Lindelle · 10/29/07, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Plex

My second question is IAoTH worth picking up? atm I'm 0-20-41 and there is only me and other hunter in the raid. I guess an extra MD for the tank would help?

The extra MD seems to matter quite a bit in my guild. I've had to sit out on Kael a couple of times, thankfully wipe nights, heh, because they wanted the SV hunter for two MDs.

Enova · 10/29/07, 3:06 PM

Originally Posted by Plex

My second question is IAoTH worth picking up? atm I'm 0-20-41 and there is only me and other hunter in the raid. I guess an extra MD for the tank would help?

While IAOTH is valuable to have, i'd steer clear of it so far into the Survival tree. Also, you need to know IAOTH and [Dragonspine Trophy] don't mix well together. And giving up the Dragonspine is not the better option.
Sure, you can adjust your shot rotations when both haste effects are active at the same time, if you're careful, but that greatly reduces situational awareness, and you don't want that in the current raid encounters.
And the alternative to not adjusting the rotation is losing of dps, or, best case scenario, NOT gaining any dps.

EDIT: not to be a critic or anything, but my opinion is you're better off getting 3/3 TOTH and 2/3 EW. 35% unbuffed critical chance is a safe number to grant EW a decent uptime, at 66% chance.

Luke · 10/29/07, 3:49 PM

Hi
short question about traps @ pvp:
the duration of freezing trap was reduced to 10 sec. is there any reason using freezing trap rank 1 instead of rank 3 (mana issue)?

Grogzor · 10/29/07, 3:55 PM

First off, I would reedit your post to include proper grammar and punctuation.

Second, I believe that using lower ranks would drastically increase the chance they get resisted.