I've looked around and seen several macros for steady/auto and one to include arcane, but I would like to have a separate macro key bound that also includes multi-shot in the rotation for maximum DPS as a BM hunter. Can anybody help with a 1:1 macro with priority multi/arcane? I've finally convinced my guild that I'm SPriest worthy now I just need to work on burning through more mana. ;-)

I am also wondering how stacking Haste & Armor Penetration would work for a raiding hunter. Currently everything is on farm, so I've got access to everything. I've talked with another hunter on the same server with the same progression, and think that a complete gear set is worth trying out. We are currently considering a build such like this. I'll be trying this out when I get the gear, eventually.

My concerns/questions:
1) Is there any documentation on how Armor Penetration factors into DPS, such as scaling and/or comparing it to Crit/AP?
2) I feel that stacking haste (8.94% in the setup linked above), combined with a IAotH/DST proc with Serpent's Swiftness may push my autoshot speed to the cap, and have to stop using Steady Shot during these times. I'm having some trouble loading the spreadsheets for some reason, or I would plug all the numbers in myself.
3) I am aware that in my current raiding gear vs the setup listed above, I would lose ~8% crit and ~60 AP. I've got the belt/bracers (haste) and the badge armor penetration bracers, but I don't think it's worth switching just yet.

Thoughts/concerns on such a build?

It falls apart there a bit at the end. Armor penetration behaves in ways that are unexpected unles you understand how armor scales. The lower your target's armor, the bigger DPS boost you will get from penetration. Until the target's armour hits zero. At which point you've reached the cap for penetration.

On a heavily-armored (10K) target, one armor pen equals about .2 AP. There's a chart on Page 2 of this. I make no guarantees about my other conclusions, but the chart is generated from Cheeky's spreadsheet and should be free from my inaccuracies.

First time posting here, could use some help.
Here is my Armory profile: The World of Warcraft Armory

I recently changed for MM/SV to BM to squeeze some extra DPS out of my gear.
I mostly raid Kara and have recently ventured into Zul'Aman But still sporting some blues and just picked up some PVP gear.

I have been playing With Cheeky's spreadsheet and between my MM/SV build and the current BM build its about 100DPS difference.
I am currently using a Macro with Steady/Auto rotation that includes KC.

Here are my questions
1. Wanted to know if there are better Enchants or Gems I should be wearing, before I dish out to much more gold.
2. If I wanted to switch back to MM/SV setup does anyone have a working Macro for Shot rotation to include Arcane.
3. With my current gear and possible improvements, should I stay BM or is it feasable to go back to MM/SV.
4. And for my last Noobish question, Are there any MM/SV hunters out there that wouldnt mind letting me check out there talent builds.

Sorry for all the newb question but I usually play a Prot Warrior and my Hunter skills are lacking.

The two BM Hunters in our guild have been keeping our pets at our side during Najentus - there is at least the perception that having them in the fight leads to chaining and melee getting killed.

Any confirmation of this?

I've never seen my pet chain the melee during Najentus or even Maiden. Though I do not log details of every fight, so take my words with a grain of salt.

To the one before the last, trade Imp HM for efficiency IMO. Unless you never have mana issues. Ever. Other than that, BM tree is pretty simple to plug. I don't see any glaring errors. I use the armor talent instead I think ,but that's just personal preference.

It's pretty accepted logic to keep to BM, maybe MM until your Agility reaches 700 unbuffed AND (this is me, not them) you have a good slow ranged weapon.

Are you looking for hybrid MM/SV, or focusing on one of the trees?

Enchants you want to go with agility when you can. AP > +4 stats on bracers, though. I don't know if this gospel, but I choose Savagery over Agility for weapons while BM.

As for gems, you want to always have 2 greens, or find some way to have 2 blue and yellow, while retaining Agi (like I do), so that you can use relentless earthstorm. Then (for SV atleast) go wild on Delicate Living Rubies. You lose the bonuses sometimes, but for the double or greater increase in Agi, it's a no brainer.

Macro choice depends on you. Do you want to have to worry about weaving in shots/KCs automatically, or do you want the macro to work cleanly as possible. I personally use one that auto adds KC (as my button layout doesnt have it up there) and accept some shots being clipped. I leave other specials out to use when I am on the move or the timers line up nicely.

Holy shit, I just contributed. Someone disprove my entire post, this feels wrong.

As far as I know, it chains from players to pets, but not from pets to players.

Blizzard has said that the bug where !autoshot isn't moving /castsequence forward is fixed in 2.3.2. I haven't yet been able to confirm on the PTR.

[BUG] /cs Steady Shot, !Auto Shot doesnt work

With regards to those discussing the ranking of Wolfslayer, Sunfury, Arena Gun, etc. you need to remember one key element of Huntering: ****weapon speed is the single most important stat to a Hunter****

Any time you change the shot or cast speed, you are altering a Hunter's DPS. This basically is rooted in the way we use Steady Shot to add DPS to normal Auto attacks. If we do more shots that hit for slightly less in a given amount of time, we are still doing more DPS because we are getting more damage down-range.


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The problem I think people are having is it's counterintuitive to how Hunters used to be pre-TBC and from Levels 1-62. Without Steady Shot, it came down to the 10-second rule (rotating through shots, based on the Multishot cooldown); where we wanted a longer Auto Shot cast to make it easier to thread in Specials. With Steady Shot in the mix (it was basically created to be used the way we used to use Aimed Shot pre-2.0), we are now at the mercy of its cast time and the GCD; which means the closer you can get your Auto Shot to the cast time of Steady Shot, the more DPS you can do overall (and still be mana efficient).

There are other "better" ranged, as was said, but they are only worthwhile to a BM Hunter if that hunter has enough Haste to bring the Auto time of that slower ranged weapon down to near the Steady cast time. In other words, you're using the Haste gear to make a (for example) Sunfury work like a Wolfslayer, but hit harder. The reason the Wolfslayer is so "perfect" for BM Hunters for so long (besides what was already said) is that its weapon speed after Serpent's Swiftness (and Imp Hawk, to a lesser degree) -- combined with its damage output -- makes it perfect for an Auto-Steady rotation without sacrificing very much extra damage per shot.


When it comes to a MM or SV Hunter, you want a slower ranged. Your talents will make Arcane and Multi hit for more damage, so you want to add them to Auto-Steady as often as possible.



Okay, very wordy, but it's the best I can do to explain what's going on. In essence, once you have Steady Shot, everything you thought you knew about shot rotations goes right out the window.

What I've been meaning to ask, and I am uncertain to whether or not its been addressed being as I'm relatively new to the hunter class as a whole, is (and yes I did go through quite a few pages before asking :S): With a dst and no passive haste would the sheer amount of haste procs and their uptime, with haste pots should none be up (a rarity?) be enough to qualify using a 3.0 weapon? As I understand, 2.9 is ideal, but at times I find myself going so low as 1.2 or lower weapon speeds with my current 2.9 when my procs get out of controll. Also, how much haste would bring down a 3.0 to a 2.9?

I feel at least for the Haste pots, that's a lot of potion cooldown that could be spent chugging Fel Mana or Super Mana pots to keep a rotation going. We're not saying the Sunfury is bad. We're saying that given the choice between the two, the Wolfslayer is better until you get more passive Haste.

If you're BM and have the Sunfury as your only option, it's not going to gimp you out of a ton of DPS in most situations (IMO).


I knew I wouldn't see the Wolf gun, so I farmed the money for a Don Santos. It was the best decision I've ever made (and I have yet to see either the Sunfury or the Wolfslayer drop in Kara).

I killed them all and buried the bodies.


Kaelvanas has a spreadsheet that might be exactly what you are looking for. This post on TKASomething.com contains a link to it.

So a question on attack speed and macro's

I am using a Steelhawk Crossbow which has an Speed of 2.80 but in my character screen my attack speed is listed as 2.03.

Which number should I be more concerned with first, in general and second, when I set my reset in my 1.1 macro?
Also can a macro use a decimal point or is it whole numbers in general?

Hi i am just wondering if anyone knows whether or not armor penetration has any effect on mobs that have 0 armor.

It does not.

i have a question about trinket choices for vashj:

i am currently running a bloodlust brooch and hourglass of the unraveller. i am curious, however, if substituting the skyguard cross for either the brooch or the hourglass, due to the near constant AP buff i will have with the cross equipped. my main job is southside elementals and the spore bats. so, i guess, my questions are: should i A) replace one of my current trinkets with the cross and if so B) which one should i replace?

Was about to post this in the WWS thread but figured it may be more appropriate here. My question is simply what more could I do to increase my dps? I'll include some WWS but the only thing I can really think of is to begin using haste pots. I tried relogging to update armory but I've recently got a legionkiller as-well as softstep boots of tracking. Usually have a Darkmoon Card: Crusade in place of the pvp trinket.

Currently using warp burgers aswell as Agility Elixirs, agility scrolls on myself and my pet, kiblers pet food and a strength scroll on the pet. As for during fights I'll pop the regular cooldowns from BM aswell as Drumbs of Battle.

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There's nothing wrong with your gearing and gem choices - if you have access to a 4th piece of tier 5 then get it, the setbonus would be a very good dps boost.
Arcanite Steam pistol is too slow though, if you have access to a 2.6 or 2.7 speed epic weapon, use it instead, it should boost your dps by around 5-10% even if it has a damage range drop.

A couple things here. Most specifically, the "reset" part of the /castsequence macro has a myth that needs to be dispelled. Just because the macro is a "cast sequence," doesn't mean that it will cast the spells for you if you only hit the button once. Spamming the button will advance the sequence, then reset it when it is complete.

The reset is there so that, say, you can always start with an Auto Shot when ever you start shooting at something. It basically is telling the macro that after 3 seconds, reset the sequence (if you use reset=3). There's really no advantage to a specific time for the reset; at least for Auto - Steady.


TL;DR -- Just use reset=2 or 3 and you'll be fine. I don't know about decimal points, but it's not worth harping over.

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Check out tweeking things in the hunter spread sheet available in thease fourms. Your hit is below the hit cap. Missed shots will decreace your dps, unless you are eating the hit food for bossfights. There are several little things that you might be able to tweek to up your dps a little here and there adding up to a deacent amount of dps. Such as upgrading your kit on your pants to the nethercobra, with my gear setup vengence wrap proved to be more dps than blood knight war cloak. Swich things out in the spread sheet and see how it affects your dps, newer stuff isnt always better stuff.

Use 2 piece T5 and make sure your pet is in LoS so you can toss a mend if needed. Not much more to the fight than that, just make sure he isn't in the main melee stack.

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Hardly a waste.

For your level of gear, you are doing fine. Really the only things that will get you higher than you are now are a stacked group and a Survival hunter in the raid.

This is my most recent gorefiend kill: Wow Web Stats

I was pushing 2k dps till I got Doom Blossom. I'm geared out quite a bit better than you however, Trohck is a survival hunter and I think Pyxis has improved faerie fire. Our normal group makeup is 3 hunters, 1 caster (sometimes an spriest) and a shaman. For this fight Zakazul might have been some strange PvP spec that added trueshot to the mix.