You could try using an Autoshot bar like Big or LittleTrouble and shrink the bar down. I'm pretty sure that there is one that works for hunters, but I'm not sure. I also can't really remember the name, but it's an Ace2 mod and I think it starts with "A".

For myself, my guild just downed Illidari Council last night so we're working on Illidan coming up here. My question is simply about spec. I primarily raid as BM, but reading up on the strats for the encounter, it looks like MM would be much better by far, since there seems to be so many things that could obliterate my pet. I don't want to have to rez him multiple times while we're learning the encounter. So, is there a "best" spec or a spec with an advantage over the others, besides SV because I don't truly have the gear for it, while learning the encounter? Thanks a lot in advance for any advice you can give me.

Yah I use Big Trouble for my rotation, looking more for something that just lists it in numerical form, i.e [1.66]


As far as your question goes I learned Ill. as BM. MM is alot easier but its not that bad to deal with as a BM hunter. A few tips.

1. In phase one, set your pet on stay off to the side like so : Pet ----------- <-- Direction tank moves -- Boss/Tank
When illidan puts up his flames, simply set your pet on passive so he begins to return off to the side, then send him back in after about 1 second. He will line back up, out of flames and can still dps. FR helps.

2. Put him away in phase 2.

3. Rest of the fight, park im in the back. Use the same technique in step 1, watch for flames and parasites on the tank and pull him back as needed. 1 mend pet will keep him up easily threw the AOE fires and he does just fine on eye adds.

In general it's deff a nice fight as marks, no need to worry about pet, range is great and bigger burst is nice for adds. But its still fun reguardless of spec, I mix it up each week in BT/hyjal between MM, BM and Surv. Gonna raid BM this week myself GL learning the fight, hardest part is having yer OTs learn how to move elementals in phase 2, rest is ez mode.

Check out HasteBlock, it works with ranged weapons unlike most of the other attack-speedometer mods.

If your tanks are paying attention flame crash really isn't a problem, a quick recall/attack will get your pet out of any flames if necessary.

Your pet is immune to the fireballs in phase 2. They don't target him, nor does the splash hit him. If you are careful they can DPS the flames.

He will take splash damage from the mass fireball AE in phase 3/4 but it is nothing that mend pet/T5 can't fix. You can also command your pet while stunned by a demon, which can be helpful.

Archimonde on the other hand ... WTB pet immunity to doomfire/invalid target for grip, no reason for those to hit them.

I was experimenting this morning with macros and kill command, and this is what I came up with:

/castsequence [nomodifier] auto shot, steady shot; [modifier:shift] auto shot, kill command, steady shot

What this would do ideally is rotate autos/steadies, and when KC is available and you want to insert it, you hold down shift, keep spamming the macro, and KC will fire, but hopefully always after an auto, before a steady. However, it doesn't seem to work exactly quite right. Perhaps someone who knows macros better can pick this up and run with it.

Hello all,
First time poster here. I was just browsing the forums getting different opinions and thought I'd get some on my own profile and game mechanics.

unbuffed I'm right around 1950 AP and 32% crit, which can vary depending on my helm and weapon (I tried to link my armory, but didn't work for some reason, I'm a noob with computers, but I'm the only Tahalgren on armory if you care to look)

I'd like some thoughts on the 0-31-30 talent spec. Benefits? detriments? anything better for raiding?

My guild just started killing Gruul regularly and is moving on to SSC and TK trash/bosses. I've never really got too in depth with researching stats and whatnot, but figured I'd see if there's something I should change/upgrade. I have a standard shot rotation (auto steady arcan multi blah blah blah), and do it all by hand I guess. I've never used macros or too many mods, is this something I should be doing? I only ask since a lot of people seem to.

Also, is haste rating and ignore armor something that hunters need/want? We just started ZA, and i don't know if i want to sacrifice some of my AP and crit for haste, and will it mess up my shot rotation?
So yea, long time hunter fan, just looking for general advice to improve myself. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I've really enjoyed using LittleTrouble for my hunter, due to its simplicity and ease of use. Is there a way to enable it for my warrior, to help with slams etc between swing timers?

I personally use Quartz for my swing/auto/steady/GCD-needs. I assume you could set it up on your warrior as well, just enable the Swing and GCD modules. You'd have to keep the 'Player' module (your own castbar) enabled as both Swing and GCD hook to that one.

Quartz is maybe what you are looking for.

- Description : Wowace/Quartz
- Zip file : Quartz.zip

this is 100% what I was looking for, thanks sooooooo much!

Would someone mind giving me a straight answer with the following question, as I am getting really conflicting views from all kinds of hunters in my guild and server.

Are the arena weapons (S1-3 ranged weapons, S3 hunter axe) better for PvE purposes then say: the Don Santos I have equipped or the Sonic Spear? I punched the info in Cheeky's spreadsheet and it seems that way but still ... It seems like the arena gear has so many wasted stats.

Arena gear does have stats that aren't really used for our class in PVE, sure, but the difference in item budget between that sonic spear and a 146 ilevel melee weapon is enormous.

Even the ranged weapon, where the item level may not matter on paper because of its speed, should outweigh the the speed benefits of the Don Santos or the wolf slayer.

The difference in damage starts to outweigh the number of shots.

Arena-Axe is the best choice, save you´re SV, where you might consider using SonicSpear (or better Legacy). Arena Ranged-Weapon doesn´t out-dps DosSantos if you´re BM-specced, MM profits from its slow speed (Multishot) the most, for SV you would prefer a weapon with Agi on it (Wolfslayer, Steam-Pistol e.g.).

No way.
If you can run a non-clipped rotation with a 2.7 speed weapon and you switch to a 3.0 speed weapon you've just lost 10% of your Steady Shot dps.
No increase in damage range on a weapon can possibly make up for that until ridiculous levels.
Calculating for my gear level, i'd need to go from what I have (81dps Barrel Blade Longrifle) to a weapon of 110dps in order to gain the same boost

Speed is everything.

This is an opinion. Use the spreadsheet.

I have used the spreadsheet. This is not an opinion.

I will do so again, perhaps I used it incorrectly. This appears to be your opinion and I'm willing to give it a chance.

Right. And the rotation that's allowed by the slower weapon gives you time to do that, unless I broke something in your sheet. I think that's where the poster was going to (and coming from) with the differences between the Sonic Spear & Don Santos versus the two S3 weapons. Both of those items have that "a lot more base weapon DPS" as you've put it. I would call it "base weapon damage" instead, but I believe you're referring to the same thing.

(btw, I like this version of your sheet much better than whichever one I'd previously tried ... hrm, September or October?)

Hi there, i havent found anyone able to give me a proper answer to any of these questions, so any good answer would be apreciated.

Q1) As Bm is it worth having Cobra Reflexes?
Bear in mind with it pet attacks faster and crits more, but KC's (wich i personally spam every Cd) will hit/crit for less.

Q2) Is Archimonde's bow better than Illidan's ? (at least stat-wize it seems so)

Q3) Can Madness of the Betrayer beat TT ? (80ap + 300arm. pen. always -vs- 38 crit + 340 ap ea 45 secs)

any calculations, opinions or answers are welcome,
Thanks in advance

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2066 DPS, not ghosted, only 1 bloodlust. BM just does that much damage.

Yep, i'm probably doing about 100 less on that fight, which ties in with the gear gap, so it's certainly possible.

Which brings up my original question - what am I/are we doing so completely wrong? Glaus pet did about 600 DPS alone, but even leaving this fact aside that´s still about 1460 Hunter DPS vs my ~1200 DPS where MM should do roughly the same damage without pet. Can those 260 DPS less completely be explained by the missing CoR on Teron? Or is the pet-less damage of BM this much superior? I´ll propably be able to do a new log today, I´m curious how it plays out this time.